Indians being brainwashed into believing Pakistan is the enemy: Naseeruddin Shah

[ravi kiran]

sure... i am not saying pakistan army is a socialist revolutionary force... it is of course their responsibility too to delete any hostility.

solutions are there... what have not been there are courageous leaders on both sides to forward those solutions to their own people, much less proposing it to the other side.

as example of solution, you may know of my "kashmir - a definitive solution" thread of the solution thought of by muammar gaddafi, who of course spoke from a neutral and socialist perspective.

you love pakistan. is it so hard to admit?? just accept the truth.

 

[doppelganger]

i thanked you for being honest about my honesty.

Your heart may be in the right place (being open and honest) but you are doing fellow Indian Muslims no favors by such admissions.

 

[ravi kiran]

why Naseeruddin Shah came back??? he should have stayed there.

 

[jamahir]

Just one question. Do you believe in any religion ? If so what is it ... Is it Islam ? From all your posts i got the feeling that are you are an over vehement supporter of one particular religion and want it's imposition with socialism all over the world to create so called "world harmony".

i have also said that true islam was early socialism, and that is also believed by the socialist societies of west asia and africa.

islam was perfect for its time but it is not so for the near-future... and just like how ussr was eventually meant to lead to true communism, i see islam to eventually melt away when true communism arrives... is that fair enough??

Your heart may be in the right place (being open and honest) but you are doing fellow Indian Muslims no favors by such admissions.

what do you mean??

you love pakistan. is it so hard to admit?? just accept the truth.

in which of my 3600+ posts did i let reveal that i exclusively love pakistan??

 

[doppelganger]

what do you mean??

You plant the seed of doubt into impressionable young Hindu minds. Like mine.

You have a gun in your hand. It is war with Pakistan. I am an Indian soldier (i will be 3 years from now anyways). Facing a Pakistani soldier. Who is about to shoot me. Will you kill him?

Yes or no?

 

[jamahir]

You plant the seed of doubt into impressionable young Hindu minds. Like mine.

doubts about "loyalty" or something else??

i have not been oily, cunning or any of those attitudes... i wrote something calmly, something which is clearly not hate for people just because they were born of a different religion.

 

[halupridol]

It was a valid question. One most Hindus have at the back of their heads.

I did not know you were a Muslim. Sorry for having you on the wrong line.

where did I say I am muslim

 

[ravi kiran]

in which of my 3600+ posts did i let reveal that i exclusively love pakistan??

thats my point you are pretty smart. you do love Pakistan but you dont reveal it. you keep blabbering about socialism to hide your love for Pakistan.and you always hide your hate for India behind your socialism BS.

 

[doppelganger]

where did I say I am muslim

Don't confuse me man.

 

[jamahir]

thats my point you are pretty smart. you do love Pakistan but you dont reveal it. you keep blabbering about socialism to hide your love for Pakistan.and you always hide your hate for India behind your socialism BS.

please read my post# 69, reply to ivan.

 

[doppelganger]

doubts about "loyalty" or something else??

Of course loyalty man. Always loyalty.

We Indians have decided that our country comes first.

You as a Muslim say you faith comes first.

We have a serious conflict of interest there. One verging on sedition and liable to get you shot by a firing squad in times of war.

 

[Razia Sultana]

I don't know.

Could it be true that in every Indian Muslim there lives a secret small part that loves Pakistan? I am not talking about not hating, being indifferent, but actual love.

I have Muslim friends. Hence my question.

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One who doubts his/her spouse's fidelity can never live in peace. Trying to know the secret loves of people is akin to peeping in their bathrooms. I regret the harsh words but such type of thinking does not reflect a healthy mental state.

People here are reacting to Naseeruddin Shah's statement as if they dont know the ABCD of market economy or politics. If Indian Prime Minister greets Pakistan on her national/independence day or wishes for the well being of Pakistan, should he be asked to undergo the fidelity test? Naseer is in Pakistan to sell his book and he will only talk what will please Pakistanis and make them buy his book. People like him know very well that without creating some controversy, his book or film will go unnoticed. When Advani set his foot in Pakistan he declared Jinnah to be a secular man but no one ever doubted his so called "secret" love for Pakistan or his motherland but if a muslim makes a similar statement, he must give Agni-Pariksha.

 

[jamahir]

You have a gun in your hand. It is war with Pakistan. I am an Indian soldier (i will be 3 years from now anyways). Facing a Pakistani soldier. Who is about to shoot me. Will you kill him?

Yes or no?

i will say "fools, what are you fighting about??"... remember the dj naved experiment involving phone calls to a pakistani and indian??

You as a Muslim say you faith comes first.

will you also say that i will support a "muslim" talibani over a hindu-born maoist??

 

[doppelganger]

One who doubts his/her spouse's fidelity can never live in peace. Trying to know the secret loves of people is akin to peeping in their bathrooms. I regret the harsh words but such type of thinking does not reflect a healthy mental state.

People here are reacting to Naseeruddin Shah's statement as if they dont know the ABCD of market economy or politics. If Indian Prime Minister greets Pakistan on her national/independence day or wishes for the well being of Pakistan, should he be asked to undergo the fidelity test? Naseer is in Pakistan to sell his book and he will only talk what will please Pakistanis and make them buy his book. People like him know very well that without creating some controversy, his book or film will go unnoticed. When Advani set his foot in Pakistan he declared Jinnah to be a secular man but no one ever doubted his so called "secret" love for Pakistan or his motherland but if a muslim makes a similar statement, he must give Agni-Pariksha.

You will admit being a Muslim in India is not the same as being Advani in India right?

Advani does not come with Partition baggage. Muslims do.

Naseeruddin Shah can sell his book by praising Pakistan. Without putting down the country his elder brother fights for.

i will say "fools, what are you fighting about??"... remember the dj naved experiment involving phone calls to a pakistani and indian??

That will make my parents and brothers feel so much better after the Pakistani has shot me. And probably also the foolish Indian Muslim socialist. Scratch that. He'll probably shoot you first.

will you also say that i will support a "muslim" talibani over a hindu-born maoist??

I see the Maoists as my countrymen. Do you?

 

[jamahir]

I see the Maoists as my countrymen. Do you?

i see them as sensible humans who want to bring progress to indian society.