Indians and Americans Weapons Used By Tehreek-e-Taliban Terriost

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

By Birth, yes.

Educated there as well, going by his Bio.

My point being that its hard to accept him as an objective source in India vs Pakistan given his ties to the former.

Certainly he may be an excellent commentator otherwise.

 

[Stumper]

Educated there as well, going by his Bio.

My point being that its hard to accept him as an objective source in India vs Pakistan given his ties to the former.

Certainly he may be an excellent commentator otherwise.

Schooling maybe. But not the doctrate. Anyway ...You know your reason is flawed AM. Wont argue on it though.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Schooling maybe. But not the doctrate. Anyway ...You know your reason is flawed AM. Wont argue on it though.

I don't think my reasoning is flawed at all - his Indian background and education clearly raises questions about his objectivity with respect to commenting upon India vs Pakistan.

 

[blain2]

In the same post, Ashley Tellis had this to say
"I am not sure I buy Christine's analysis of Indian activities in Pakistan's west: this is a subject I followed very closely when I was in government, and suffice it to say, there is less there than meets the eye. That was certainly true for Afghanistan. Convincing Pakistanis of this, however, is a different story."

And in later para she had this to offer :
"I am not trying to blow Indian activities in the region out of proportion, rather stressing the need to not dismiss the importance of Pakistani perceptions of those activities simply because one thinks they are exaggerated.These activities matter to some in the Pakistani elite and to a broader public that is fed a steady stream of information about them. Countless surveys demonstrate the Pakistani public's peculiar view of the region and their country's activities in it."

Ashley Tellis is an Indian gent from University of Bombay. I am sure his comments are bound to support the Indian version of things.
Ashley J. Tellis - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

 

[blain2]

Schooling maybe. But not the doctrate. Anyway ...You know your reason is flawed AM. Wont argue on it though.

His opinion is no different than what you hear from any other Indian here or elsewhere. Obviously supporting the Indian agenda over that of Pakistan has been a general theme in his writings and opinions whenever the two have come up together. His analysis of Pakistan (where there is no point of contention with Indian interests) may be looked upon as somewhat ok.

 

[notsuperstitious]

The article claims the militay said those things, can someone post a link?

 

[Stumper]

I don't think my reasoning is flawed at all - his Indian background and education clearly raises questions about his objectivity with respect to commenting upon India vs Pakistan.

It would have, had his past/present action's in any way reflected biased commentary. Mere his birth place does not disqualify him from commenting on India-Pak affair. If that was the case, a person's religion too can be used as a qualifier.

At the end of day, what will matter is what GoP has to say on this, officially.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It would have, had his past/present action's in any way reflected biased commentary. Mere his birth place does not disqualify him from commenting on India-Pak affair. If that was the case, a person's religion too can be used as a qualifier.

"While on assignment to the U.S. Department of State as senior adviser to the Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, he was intimately involved in negotiating the civil nuclear agreement with India.

Previously he was commissioned into the Foreign Service and served as senior adviser to the ambassador at the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi."

B.A., M.A.; University of Bombay; M.A., Ph.D., The University of Chicago


As the above should indicate, its not just his 'birth place' he was born, raised and educated (BA and MA) in India, and that means he likely carries his loyalties towards India with him - his experience indicates the same.

Sorry, but I can't take the word of an Indian on a matter of India vs Pakistan - the possibility of bias and nationalism overriding objectivity is too high, and highly likely.

And in this case it is obvious that his loyalties towards India

 

[IceCold]

Well there is not second opinion about that. The only factor is that GOP for obvious reasons is trying to keep a cap on to this. To publicly highlight the issue and the expose the perpetrators is the job of the GOP not the army or the intelligence. Their job is to inform the government and that they have done it.

 

[Stumper]

"While on assignment to the U.S. Department of State as senior adviser to the Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, he was intimately involved in negotiating the civil nuclear agreement with India.

Previously he was commissioned into the Foreign Service and served as senior adviser to the ambassador at the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi."

B.A., M.A.; University of Bombay; M.A., Ph.D., The University of Chicago


As the above should indicate, its not just his 'birth place' he was born, raised and educated (BA and MA) in India, and that means he likely carries his loyalties towards India with him - his experience indicates the same.

Sorry, but I can't take the word of an Indian on a matter of India vs Pakistan - the possibility of bias and nationalism overriding objectivity is too high, and highly likely.

And in this case it is obvious that his loyalties towards India

AM, as i said his past actions do not suggest "Biased commentry" on Ind-Pak affair's. You are entitled to your view's, but country of origin does not imply inherent prejudice unless substantiated by some biased action in past.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

AM, as i said his past actions do not suggest "Biased commentry" on Ind-Pak affair's. You are entitled to your view's, but country of origin does not imply inherent prejudice unless substantiated by some biased action in past.

On the question of India vs Pakistan one's origin and background certainly raises questions about objectivity. And his Indian background and work related to India makes that connection quite clear.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well there is not second opinion about that. The only factor is that GOP for obvious reasons is trying to keep a cap on to this. To publicly highlight the issue and the expose the perpetrators is the job of the GOP not the army or the intelligence. Their job is to inform the government and that they have done it.

But even if the weapons are Indian and American, that does not automatically implicate India and America. There are Chinese and Pakistani weapons being used as well for example.

 

[Skeptic]

"While on assignment to the U.S. Department of State as senior adviser to the Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, he was intimately involved in negotiating the civil nuclear agreement with India.

Previously he was commissioned into the Foreign Service and served as senior adviser to the ambassador at the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi."

B.A., M.A.; University of Bombay; M.A., Ph.D., The University of Chicago


As the above should indicate, its not just his 'birth place' he was born, raised and educated (BA and MA) in India, and that means he likely carries his loyalties towards India with him - his experience indicates the same.

Sorry, but I can't take the word of an Indian on a matter of India vs Pakistan - the possibility of bias and nationalism overriding objectivity is too high, and highly likely.

And in this case it is obvious that his loyalties towards India

It seems awfully weird whose words exactly are taken as truth? You seem to have problem accepting anyone born and educated in India can speak the truth about Indo-Pak Relations. Weird considering that Till date Pakistan has had atleast 2 president who were not only born and braught up in Indian but even worked here prior to Partition. Mind you, Mr. Ashley T. is not an Indian citizen, but was a student here.

Again you have no problems accepting sources like ahmed qureshi's personal blog or current affairs (dot) com which publishes fictitious news based on quotes never made using images from the internet (without even paying for royalty) and have zero accountability.

You can accept when words of Christine Fair are twisted out of context to suit a flawed design, but when the same person says that ISI and Pakistan Army is behind all the terror in Pakistan and India, that is intentionally ignored.

You are at ease with accepting news with no substantiated evidence from blogs (theCurrentNews.com is also a wordpress blog) which are delusional enough to blaming everything from Lahore attacks (all of them) to disturbance in Baluchistan on India and RAW without any confirmation from govt. sources and nil evidence with themselves.

But you have an issue with person such as Dr. Tellis an American who was partially educated in India.

To the subject matter, presence of Indian weapons is a) not substantiated b) Even if substantiated does not prove anything.

Even if Indian weapons were used so were Chinese and Russian, so are they also party to the Crime?

 

[Stumper]

It seems awfully weird whose words exactly are taken as truth? You seem to have problem accepting anyone born and educated in India can speak the truth about Indo-Pak Relations. Weird considering that Till date Pakistan has had atleast 2 president who were not only born and braught up in Indian but even worked here prior to Partition. Mind you, Mr. Ashley T. is not an Indian citizen, but was a student here.

Again you have no problems accepting sources like ahmed qureshi's personal blog or current affairs (dot) com which publishes fictitious news based on quotes never made using images from the internet (without even paying for royalty) and have zero accountability.

You can accept when words of Christine Fair are twisted out of context to suit a flawed design, but when the same person says that ISI and Pakistan Army is behind all the terror in Pakistan and India, that is intentionally ignored.

You are at ease with accepting news with no substantiated evidence from blogs (theCurrentNews.com is also a wordpress blog) which are delusional enough to blaming everything from Lahore attacks (all of them) to disturbance in Baluchistan on India and RAW without any confirmation from govt. sources and nil evidence with themselves.

But you have an issue with person such as Dr. Tellis an American who was partially educated in India.

To the subject matter, presence of Indian weapons is a) not substantiated b) Even if substantiated does not prove anything.

Even if Indian weapons were used so were Chinese and Russian, so are they also party to the Crime?

Chill mate. Each person is entitled to his view.

 

[Stumper]

His opinion is no different than what you hear from any other Indian here or elsewhere. Obviously supporting the Indian agenda over that of Pakistan has been a general theme in his writings and opinions whenever the two have come up together. His analysis of Pakistan (where there is no point of contention with Indian interests) may be looked upon as somewhat ok.

I have read only couple of his papers. So will park my comment for later. If what you say is true, then we cant have objectivity in analysis. AM, in that case, stands correct.