Indian Vaccinations per Capita Raises Questions About BJP Rhetoric on Giftaid to Neighbours

[masterchief_mirza]

Meanwhile news has come that India is spreading poison to few more countries. I hope these countries gain access to the foremost experts on COVID right on this thread and take a decision quickly and stop this hostile act of India.

India to begin Covid-19 vaccine exports to Saudi Arabia, Morocco

India will begin commercial shipments of Covid-19 vaccines to Saudi Arabia soon, the Ministry of External Affairs here announced on Friday...

www.khaleejtimes.com

Bharat vaccine is in fact being demanded for its high calibre phase 3 testing research published in Lancet, NEJM, The Daily Telegraph and DC Comics on 15th Aug 1947. None of these countries want the Oxford vaccine at all.

 

[VkdIndian]

Bharat vaccine is in fact being demanded for its high calibre

Sarcasm is fine with me. I can feel the hurt but the fact remains that India is helping these countries in addressing this Pandemic.

I wish Pakistan had any capability to even think of starting a vaccine development program. They didn’t even think of starting one. But it is India that is incapable here. Wah bhai wah.

Hatred filled rhetorics wouldn’t derail this drive. Just wait and watch as this goes on.

 

[Bambi]

Keep going

We love it when Indian "articulate, moderate, secular, progressive, non-bhakt, educated, professional" pdf-ers can't control their urge to reveal their true underlying pathetic inferiority complex-driven Pakistan hatred. All too predictable.

What happened to the stockpiles amassed/pre-ordered by the secular republic which are now being churned out at the handsome rate of 0.11/100? Did Modi gain some more Bhutanese credit today instead of vaccinating your grandma?

He screwed up the lockdown (which I have posted on many times in the past, only to have my conclusions reaffirmed by various independent post-mortem assessments) and now he's screwing up a straightforward vaccination program for the "world's pharmacy". But hey, at least the Maldives will give him a thumbs up on Twitter.

Increase of 0.01 per day is pretty good janab

 

[Protest_again]

Lol @masterchief_mirza. Stop being a loser.

 

[Vanamali]

India is in a very tough spot. It is a corona superspreader of the Subcontinent. It has a daunting task to vaccinate so many people. It is not nearly as organised as China. Additionally it has no proper vaccine. The vaccine is not tested. We don't know the effectiveness and duration of this vaccine. Domestically and internationally experts are doubting Modi's claims.

It is called Indofobia....

 

[VkdIndian]

Stop being a loser.

Smart people and countries will take positives from this. Trolls will denounce this as Indian media propaganda and a failure.

@masterchief_mirza, I am not pointing at you on this. I am clarifying here since you haven’t said anything regarding this video. And I don’t want to be party to the troll fest going on here.

 

[Cheepek]

Thread title and source provided in opening post does not match, is it allowed?
Also, it's not necessary to inoculate the whole population.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Sarcasm is fine with me. I can feel the hurt but the fact remains that India is helping these countries in addressing this Pandemic.

I wish Pakistan had any capability to even think of starting a vaccine development program. They didn’t even think of starting one. But it is India that is incapable here. Wah bhai wah.

Hatred filled rhetorics wouldn’t derail this drive. Just wait and watch as this goes on.

We take small steps instead of making global idiots of ourselves with lockdown fiascos and approvals of supapawa home grown vaccines before stage 2 and 3 results are validated. Call us backwards or whatever. Better to walk before attempting to run. Cheap labour hordes will only get you so far. At some point, you need to invest in quality and due diligence. Anyway, always a pleasure to have all my favourite pdf-ers circling around aimlessly. Carry on.

 

[Chhatrapati]

I declared India as the pharmaceutical sweatshop of the world based on evidence. If conditions are so bad that fires are breaking out and people are actually dying, then questions should be asked about operating standards. Go question SII, not me.

Do you know fire broke out in an office under construction? Now, SII is vaccine makers, they are not in the construction business. Read more instead of looking stupid making these claims, sweatshop? lol

It is a typical nepotism run family business in south Asia, dysregulated and rubber stamped without the same checks and balances we get in the west.

You should consider reforms to get these industries out of the clutches of family-led monopolies and into mainstream regulated environs.

Well, Indian industries may or may not have nepotism problem but they are thriving, at a fast pace I know that for a fact. Also, nobody cares if there is Nepotism in industries, they serve for themselves, we don't pay them any taxes and they're free to appoint any idiot at the helm and make or break their companies. Don't go over to retarded communist logic of regulation and breaking monopoly feel good theories. No western country in the world have laws against Nepotism so save your advises.

I don't expect you to understand this stuff because I doubt you've spent a minute in western industries that you might know any alternative life. The "family run cornershop model" is the best you people know.

Sunny, I worked for L&T (Indian company) in two different countries, and we are one of the best and largest contractors in the world. Given India is the second largest investors in the UK, we are opening our Cornershop in the UK as well giving you people jobs and our companies making profits, expanding into markets across Europe and no western company denied our investment because it's family run. Hopefully, we don't buy any cab companies lol.

The whole industry stinks of amateurism, short cuts and cover ups. Reform is needed otherwise India will always have the cheap labour but will continue to lag behind in terms of outcomes and actual quality.

Sweatshop is a justifiable analogy in this context.

Yeah, man that's how we became worlds third-largest startup ecosystem. Ever heard of Unicorn startups?

I like your new excuse of corporate nepotism, give me more of such gems.

Thread title and source provided in opening post does not match, is it allowed?
Also, it's not necessary to inoculate the whole population.

It is when your purpose is trolling.

 

[Bambi]

Do you know fire broke out in an office under construction? Now, SII is vaccine makers, they are not in the construction business. Read more instead of looking stupid making these claims, sweatshop? lol


Well, Indian industries may or may not have nepotism problem but they are thriving, at a fast pace I know that for a fact. Also, nobody cares if there is Nepotism in industries, they serve for themselves, we don't pay them any taxes and they're free to appoint any idiot at the helm and make or break their companies. Don't go over to retarded communist logic of regulation and breaking monopoly feel good theories. No western country in the world have laws against Nepotism so save your advises.


Sunny, I worked for L&T (Indian company) in two different countries, and we are one of the best and largest contractors in the world. Given India is the second largest investors in the UK, we are opening our Cornershop in the UK as well giving you people jobs and our companies making profits, expanding into markets across Europe and no western company denied our investment because it's family run. Hopefully, we don't buy any cab companies lol.


Yeah, man that's how we became worlds third-largest startup ecosystem. Ever heard of Unicorn startups?

I like your new excuse of corporate nepotism, give me more of such gems.

It is when your purpose is trolling.

Hello
What's your opinion on this?

New China swine fever strains point to unlicensed vaccines

The variants of the disease cause a chronic condition that reduces the number of healthy piglets born.

www.japantimes.co.jp

 

[Chhatrapati]

Hello
What's your opinion on this?

New China swine fever strains point to unlicensed vaccines

The variants of the disease cause a chronic condition that reduces the number of healthy piglets born.

www.japantimes.co.jp

African swine fever doesn't infect humans but deadly for livestock. Not too concerned about that, but nothing surprising.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Do you know fire broke out in an office under construction? Now, SII is vaccine makers, they are not in the construction business. Read more instead of looking stupid making these claims, sweatshop? lol


Well, Indian industries may or may not have nepotism problem but they are thriving, at a fast pace I know that for a fact. Also, nobody cares if there is Nepotism in industries, they serve for themselves, we don't pay them any taxes and they're free to appoint any idiot at the helm and make or break their companies. Don't go over to retarded communist logic of regulation and breaking monopoly feel good theories. No western country in the world have laws against Nepotism so save your advises.


Sunny, I worked for L&T (Indian company) in two different countries, and we are one of the best and largest contractors in the world. Given India is the second largest investors in the UK, we are opening our Cornershop in the UK as well giving you people jobs and our companies making profits, expanding into markets across Europe and no western company denied our investment because it's family run. Hopefully, we don't buy any cab companies lol.


Yeah, man that's how we became worlds third-largest startup ecosystem. Ever heard of Unicorn startups?

I like your new excuse of corporate nepotism, give me more of such gems.

It is when your purpose is trolling.

Second biggest investor? Quote your sources please. This is from the UK Government portal citing their 2018 figures.

The ONS has India at 18th position,not 2nd, so I'm not sure what nonsensical Indian tabloid is providing you with scholarly articles, but I suggest you do a fact check.

UK foreign direct investment, trends and analysis - Office for National Statistics

Analysis of the impact of foreign direct investment (FDI) implied rates of return on the UK current account with insights from industry-level analysis.

www.ons.gov.uk

I noticed a couple of Indian newspapers mention this "second biggest investor" nonsense - which upon further inspection appears to relate to numbers of investments, not the actual value of wealth invested.

I could invest a few thousand quid in 100 cornershops and Patel jewellers today but that isn't going to help UK's economy.

Hello
What's your opinion on this?

New China swine fever strains point to unlicensed vaccines

The variants of the disease cause a chronic condition that reduces the number of healthy piglets born.

www.japantimes.co.jp

Why do you keep bringing this nonsense up? I told you on another thread, Pakistan's wild boar population is not concerned by this development.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

no western company denied our investment because it's family run.

I never said your investment would be rejected. Why do you put words into my mouth instead of responding to my critique?

I said (with references) that when a business answers to auntie Suriya and cousin Binky, instead of a properly qualified board, then similar standards of quality and accountability and international validation may not be applied.

 

[Bambi]

I never said your investment would be rejected. Why do you put words into my mouth instead of responding to my critique?

I said (with references) that when a business answers to auntie Suriya and cousin Binky, instead of a properly qualified board, then similar standards of quality and accountability and international validation may not be applied.

Second biggest investor? Quote your sources please. This is from the UK Government portal citing their 2018 figures.

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The ONS has India at 18th position,not 2nd, so I'm not sure what nonsensical Indian tabloid is providing you with scholarly articles, but I suggest you do a fact check.

UK foreign direct investment, trends and analysis - Office for National Statistics

Analysis of the impact of foreign direct investment (FDI) implied rates of return on the UK current account with insights from industry-level analysis.

www.ons.gov.uk

I noticed a couple of Indian newspapers mention this "second biggest investor" nonsense - which upon further inspection appears to relate to numbers of investments, not the actual value of wealth invested.

I could invest a few thousand quid in 100 cornershops and Patel jewellers today but that isn't going to help UK's economy.

Why do you keep bringing this nonsense up? I told you on another thread, Pakistan's wild boar population is not concerned by this development.

It's about unproven and unlicensed vaccines of China which you are buying

The current ASF unlawful vaccine(s) in China is repeating history

 

[masterchief_mirza]

about unproven and unlicensed vaccines of China

Except that...

Safety, tolerability, and immunogenicity of an inactivated SARS-CoV-2 vaccine in healthy adults aged 18–59 years: a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled, phase 1/2 clinical trial

Taking safety, immunogenicity, and production capacity into account, the 3 μg dose of CoronaVac is the suggested dose for efficacy assessment in future phase 3 trials.

www.thelancet.com

Sinovac is validated with published phase 1 and phase 2 data and ongoing phase 3 data collection. That is the standard required for vaccine validation everywhere as per WHO guidance.

How's the Bharat vaccine going? Last I heard, Somani sahib assured Indians that it was validated "in clinical trial mode". Is it still in clinical trial mode (I.e. India has no published data to support its authorisation of this vaccine, so it is continuing its "trial" phase 1/2 data collection after the official rollout)?

Here's what Bharat vaccine has published in the Lancet. Note that it is barely out of phase 1, and actual data in the publication is limited. This is in sharp contrast to what Sinopharm published in the same journal, and in contrast to what other vaccine studies have published in USA, UK etc.

“BBV152 (Covaxin) led to tolerable safety outcomes and enhanced immune responses. Both Algel-IMDG formulations were selected for phase 2 immunogenicity trials. Further efficacy trials are warranted," the results said.

As I predicted, all hell has indeed broken loose over India's shoddy workmanship and corner-cutting...this is the BMJ, not some two bit tabloid:


"NewsIndia: Doctors call for investigation into allegations of ethical abuse in covid-19 vaccine trial
BMJ 2021; 372 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n131 (Published 14 January 2021)Cite this as: BMJ 2021;372:n131
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Multiple health groups in India have called for an investigation into allegations of ethical violations during a clinical trial of a covid-19 vaccine developed jointly by India’s Bharat Biotech and the Indian Council of Medical Research.
In a statement released on 14 January, groups of doctors and health rights advocates asked the Indian government to halt the trial at the People’s Hospital in Bhopal, exclude any data from the site during trial analysis, and take action against those responsible for violations.
The Bharat Biotech vaccine is among two covid-19 vaccines granted accelerated approval on 3 January by India’s drug regulatory authority for restricted emergency use, relying on safety and immunogenicity data without efficacy data.1
India has also approved the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine, after reviewing safety, immunogenicity, and efficacy data from outside India and safety and immunogenicity data in India. A trial to evaluate the efficacy of the Bharat Biotech vaccine has enrolled 25 800 participants at 25 sites in 12 cities.
Seven participants enrolled in the trial by the People’s Hospital have claimed that they were not informed that they would receive either a vaccine or a placebo. In testimonies at a press conference on 10 January, the participants said that they were told that they would receive a vaccine that would protect them from the novel coronavirus and had been paid Rs750 (£7.5; €8.6; $10.3) to have the injections"

India: Doctors call for investigation into allegations of ethical abuse in covid-19 vaccine trial

Multiple health groups in India have called for an investigation into allegations of ethical violations during a clinical trial of a covid-19 vaccine developed jointly by India’s Bharat Biotech and the Indian Council of Medical Research. In a statement released on 14 January, groups of doctors...

www.bmj.com