The newspaper says the battle was won, not the war. Read it again.
Thank you for accepting that otherwise you would continue spreading the propaganda that you won the war of 1965. You could have simply saved a lot of bandwidth.
You are confusing pre-war skirmishes and covert operations with the actual war itself. Operation Gibraltar was NOT a part of the 1965 war, it was part of the lead up to it just like other skirmishes before the war and the Rann of Kutch conflict. The official war started when Hindustan decided to invade Pakistan on the 6th of September, and your invasion was blunted. As shown previously, you lost more land (which we gave back generously during negotiations) and more aircraft and were the first ones to sign the ceasefire. Your PM even died of a heart attack from the sheer magnitude of defeat. We had great soldiers like MM Alam and Raja Aziz Bhatti, and won glorious battles like the one at Chawinda (2nd largest tank battle in history). You lost, end of story.
You have zero evidence to tell a crowd that you won the war. zero. Just shouting that you won a war because you read that in your school, does not win you war.
In previous post you said you won and to support that you pasted few paper cuttings. I refused them categorically..one by one..all of them. And that's when you clarify in this post that, it was a battle and not a war.
Now..coming to your claim of having captured bigger land.. yes...you did. no denying that. Does that mean you won the war ?? lol. Let me again ask you to ask yourself this question - 'If Pakistan was winning since you captured bigger land and India captured only Lahore' why did your army agree for ceasefire ? No one..not even Bangladesh army would do such a mistake of signing ceasefire when they are winning.. Oh ..nbtw.. do remember the objective f the war.. Kashmir.. YOU STARTED THE WAR..FOR KASHMIR.. if you wre winning ,,why did you stop. Let me answer you that.. any extension of war from there onwards would have seen a destruction of Pakistan and a complete loss. Your generals were smart. They knew it. Neither did they have supplies nor did they have armaments to fight. Gulp it down and thank me for teaching you something that you haven't read in books.
Now lets come to evidence since you were trying to show a lot of evidence in paper cutting, etc to probve how you won. Let me ask you..since now its established that that paper was about the war and not the war of 1965, I am yet to b proven that you won the war. Yes....again let me reiterate.. you did hold the bigger chunk of land (you were the attacker and the aggressor / India was the responder) and India held comparatively lesser land, but how is that a victory when your generals sign a solid document ending the war in a ceasefire. You returned the land..we returned the land. and you should thank the ceasefire, you got saved big time. lol. the defeats in the previous war of 1947 and the ego of not being seen as a losing kuam In front of Hindu state prompted your historians to right the twisted war history, just to save you from humiliation. Heck.. even we lost to China in 1962 and that too very badly. But that's the difference between you and us.. we embrace our loss as a learning and don't even dare to teach our kids any twisted facts just to suit our religious ego. Why is
"who holds more land" even a measure of win while the Mission of your army was to take back Kashmir. Lol.. why this shift of goalpost. For god sake wake up and listen to some of your own honest armed forces generals (you can search YouTube), who have openly admitted multiple time and a lot of them that Pakistan lost 1965 war. At least you will believe them.
No, Kashmir was SUPPOSED to join Pakistan, but the ruler of Kashmir had clearly intended to join Hindustan. We weren't going to get any land, but we acted quickly and took roughly 40% of it (my 1/3 figure was wrong, apologies).
I never fight any figure that you quote. I go by whatever you say. Actually, I don't need to because they are secondary if the actual concept itself is wrong. Ok again..let me plain and simple agree with you because that's not my agenda right now to prove what Hari Singh wanted.. though I can get into that in details as well.. lol.. but I will leave it for some other thread. Point now is - you attacked Kashmir when it was nobody's. May be it would have gone to us.. may be it would have gone to you. King with us .. kingdom with you. but point is...before war started it was nobody's. So a nobody's place becomes 40% yours and 60% ours. Tell me who wins. I am not eve gong to the wounds of the defeat that prompted your army to attack India again in 1965. That itself tells you, that if you would have accomplished your mission and got what you wanted in 1947 itself, you would have never attacked again.
In 1999 Hindustan not only suffered higher casualties but failed to remove Pakistan from the area. It was only through diplomatic efforts (both internally and externally) that the PA was convinced to leave Kargil. We continued to hold significant chunks of the area for a good 2 months despite being outnumbered 6 times over and lacking the air support that the IAF had. We even managed to take out 2 of your aircraft and another 1 of yours crashed. Even after leaving Kargil, we still retained Point 5353 which remains under our control to this day.
ok.. something new for you learn again.. thank me later
1999 was a biggest blunder for Pakistani army as well as Pakistani establishment. Let me show you how.
your army send your armed soldiers disguised as militants (which professional army does that..lol) to cut off Jammu from Ladakh by attacking the supply route..what a smart move I must say. the plan was to attck from that safe high peaks while India would have no option but to either violate the line of control or come to the negotiation table.
why no air support….
But do you know what happened after that ? ta da… the world noticed what Pakistan was doing. India not only counter bombarding the peaks intead of leaving Jammu but also fortified the land with troops. your plan was flop the day it started but more embarrassing was that the entire world was asking "who are these infiltrators?" "where did they come from?" and guess what does your Prime Minister Sharif says - he says they are terrorists and have nothing to do with Pakstan or Pakistani army and are non state actors. case closed. Fight went on. NO PAF SUPPORT. just imagine your soldiers sent to a mission with a promise of all the possible support and then just because of this blunder project, now your politicians are washing their hands off leaving your soldiers without the air support. It was an embarrassment for PA, RAW and Pakistani Govt.
Diplomatic efforts....
By this time it was clear to the world that Pakistan was playing the dirty game using infiltrations... Pakistan had no option left but had to admit that their military was present in the theatre and they were fighting.. the world was criticising your innocent and brave Pakistan. The world supported India. It became a game more than a war because of the cowardly manner it was done. Unlike to professional army clashing.. it was a professional India army defending its soil against an army dressed as terrorists hiding on the peaks capture on the loc from the top. Nawaz Sharif had no face to save.. he requested clinton to arrange a face saver for Pakistan and so was done. and that's how it is. That as the diplomatic effort that you are talking about... it was a face saver for your army as well as your pm.
Mission to capture the peak - Failed.
It was not only a military defeat , it was also an embarrassment to you as a country as a whole. Also PA, RAW too were embarrassed for acting so unprofessional. Indian army though lost more soldiers compared to Pakistan..it just shows the brilliance of Indian army that in spite of such strategically safe high peaks could not save Pakistani soldiers and they were neutralised and eventually the peaks was captured by Indian army. Jammu Ladakh supply route was successfully secured and the terrorists neutralised. India wins the kargil war.
