Indian Stealth Bomber No Longer a Secret

[Hellraiser007]

it is natural law that says when it comes to self-defense, copyright means crap. so i don't care for international laws, especially since it was largely written by white people and a chinese isn't an indian when it comes to his "reverence" for white people stuff.

Chinese are not in desperate position to steal other people's tech, Indians do honor these laws and we have a different business model unlike chinese grab and steal type.

 

[iajj]

Chinese are not in desperate position to steal other people's tech.

when it comes to military technology and national security, every nation is in a race and even in peacetime we do whatever we can to catch up to our enemies.

but it is pointless to debate with an indian. after all, chinese and indians are different biologically: we have two eyes above our nose and between our ears to look forward, and we see far ahead to predict and prevent future troubles. indians' eyes grow on the top of their scalp and they can only see anglo-saxon hands calmly and paternally patting their heads and telling them not to worry about the future and just buy weapons from white people.

it is too unfair to criticize the indians for anything.

 

[Hellraiser007]

when it comes to military technology and national security, every nation is in a race and even in peacetime we do whatever we can to catch up to our enemies.

but it is pointless to debate with an indian. after all, chinese and indians are different biologically: we have two eyes above our nose and between our ears to look forward, and we see far ahead to predict and prevent future troubles. indians' eyes grow on the top of their scalp and they can only see anglo-saxon hands calmly and paternally patting their heads and telling them not to worry about the future and just buy weapons from white people.

it is too unfair to criticize the indians for anything.

I am quoting about the comercial cheap copies as well as Military. Military may have some justification but J16 is a different case, Copied from Russia and trying to export to other nations which is were steal and grab and steal mentality of Chinese comes into picture.

Commercial products (cheap copies) coming from China is complete violation of International patent law is a testimony to chinese mentality.

Where as Indians go for JVs honouring the patent laws.

 

[iajj]

Where as Indians go for JVs honouring the patent laws.

can we rid this thread of all the unnecessary euphemisms? one, “Joint-ventures”, as indians call them, venture to join indian money with foreign technology, nothing else. two, "indian stealth bomb" is a 100% ripoff from the american version. 100% because although i know the similarity is only superficial and although americans won't let clumsy indians steal anything from them, i also know that indians will never develop the technologies for the plane beyond the drawing shown here, so even superficial similarity is 100% similarity at this point.

the difference between chinese and indian ripoffs is this: the chinese copy is 1% superficial similarity and nothing else; the indian copy is 1% superficial simiarity -- and nothing else, hahahahahahahahah

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

can we rid this thread of all the unnecessary euphemisms? one, “Joint-ventures”, as indians call them, venture to join indian money with foreign technology, nothing else. two, "indian stealth bomb" is a 100% ripoff from the american version. 100% because although i know the similarity is only superficial and although americans won't let clumsy indians steal anything from them, i also know that indians will never develop the technologies for the plane beyond the drawing shown here, so even superficial similarity is 100% similarity at this point.

the difference between chinese and indian ripoffs is this: the chinese copy is 1% superficial similarity and nothing else; the indian copy is 1% superficial simiarity -- and nothing else, hahahahahahahahah

Another test subject for Chinese ESP program

Provide sources for the above, we all would like to know JV clauses for India and benefits India had

 

[faithfulguy]

Both of your points are absolutely correct. Though in case of DRDO I think your first point is more relevent than the second. And this culture of constantly seeking attention/recognition by DRDO has got exacerbated since this guy has become chief.

And the India culture of bragging in order to gain attention, thus translate into funding, is detrimental to Indian national security. It show the hand of India's national security plans. Its one thing to do it in this forum or Bharat Rakshak. but another for this guy to brag so much.

 

[Hellraiser007]

can we rid this thread of all the unnecessary euphemisms? one, “Joint-ventures”, as indians call them, venture to join indian money with foreign technology, nothing else. two, "indian stealth bomb" is a 100% ripoff from the american version. 100% because although i know the similarity is only superficial and although americans won't let clumsy indians steal anything from them, i also know that indians will never develop the technologies for the plane beyond the drawing shown here, so even superficial similarity is 100% similarity at this point.

the difference between chinese and indian ripoffs is this: the chinese copy is 1% superficial similarity and nothing else; the indian copy is 1% superficial simiarity -- and nothing else, hahahahahahahahah

As usual some delusional posters spreading info with out evidences.

 

[Hellraiser007]

God created the earth. The British created Indian nation. So in another word, the British are gods of India. Indians just worship their gods differently.

With your logic you can have this opinion, but the world will think you as a moron for the above statement.

 

[MST]

And the India culture of bragging in order to gain attention, thus translate into funding, is detrimental to Indian national security. It show the hand of India's national security plans. Its one thing to do it in this forum or Bharat Rakshak. but another for this guy to brag so much.

Going too far with the generalization aren't you. Looks like you have done an extensive study on Indian culture. Or if you have formed your opinion based on this forum (which i know is the case) I can tell that no one brags more than the 50 cent army with their megaton farts. Should I derive conclusion on Chinese culture based on that?

@ topic its more to do with the an individual and the kind of culture he has created in an organization. It can happen anywhere and is not restricted to any country.

 

[faithfulguy]

With your logic you can have this opinion, but the world will think you as a moron for the above statement.

I'm just pointing out that the Brits created the Indian nation. BTW, does anyone here believe that India would really build a prototype of this thing in the next few years? When did the AMCA's model came out? When will a prototype for AMCA expected?

In any case, this bragging session has a reason. And its has nothing to do with building a plane. It has everything to do with screwing Indian people.

 

[Hellraiser007]

@faithfulguy

Are you born moron or did any Indian kicked your a$$ hard?

They have tradition of worshiping emperors as GODs

 

[faithfulguy]

They have tradition of worshiping emperors as GODs

America has no emperors. The culture that worship their emperor is the Japanese. Also, ancient Egypt regard Pharoah as gods.

 

[Hellraiser007]

America has no emperors. The culture that worship their emperor is the Japanese. Also, ancient Egypt regard Pharoah as gods.

Ancient China
{{Main|Chinese sovereign|Religion in China, and emperor) In Imperial China, an emperor was considered the Son of Heaven. The scion and representative of heaven on earth, he was the ruler of all under heaven, the bearer of the Mandate of Heaven, his commands considered sacred edicts. A number of legendary figures preceding the proper imperial era of China also hold the honorific title of emperor, such as the Yellow Emperor and the Jade Emperor.

Imperial cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Donatello]

On May 31, the chief of India’s Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) Vijay Saraswat was guest of honour at a little-known aerospace seminar in Linkoping, Sweden. The missile scientist took a spin in a Swedish Saab Gripen fighter jet, giving local journalists a fun photo-opportunity. But nestled in an elaborate presentation Saraswat later made at the seminar was something that had never been seen before: The first ever design images of an Indian military project that’s been officially designated secret, one that neither drdo nor any other arm of the Ministry of Defence will say anything about. The pictures were of the Indian Unmanned Strike Air Vehicle (IUSAV), codenamed Aura, an advanced unmanned stealth bomber that resembles classified experimental Cold War aircraft rather than anything India has ever been known to attempt.

While the prospect and development of such an aircraft is enormously complicated, iusav is being built for a simple mission profile: Take off under remote control by a ground crew, enter enemy airspace undetected and virtually invisible to enemy radars, deploy strike weapons against designated targets and return to base. In one official document, the Aura is described as a “unmanned self-defending reconnaissance aircraft”, indicating that it will also serve as a spy platform capable of evading missiles if fired upon. drdo aims to deliver the highly complex stealth bomber to the Indian Air Force (IAF) in seven to eight years.

The secret Aura programme currently functions on a Rs.100-crore start-up budget for the design and definition phase. A top officer associated with the programme indicates that the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA)-a consortium of agencies including drdo labs and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd-was hoping to complete a major chunk of the complex project for just under a billion dollars. drdo has its most complex and daunting aerospace challenge at hand, considering that the specific technologies that would make the IUSAV useful are areas that India has little or no expertise in. These include flying wing aerodynamics, RADAR absorbent paint and structural materials, remotely deployable smart weapons for surgical strikes, and most importantly, the intricate and unassailable communications and data-link architecture required to control an aircraft with a lethal payload from hundreds of miles away.

If the Indian aerospace establishment’s recent track record with indigenous aircraft is any indication, IUSAV appears to be an audacious pipe dream. DRDO’s own defence to such a claim is that unmanned combat drones comprise secret propriety technology that no country will ever share with India. And while that’s true, France, Sweden and the UK have all started discussions with DRDO in an attempt to push their technologies into the Aura programme.

Indeed, IAF, which will be the primary operator of iusav, has conveyed in no uncertain terms that it wants a platform with as little foreign assistance as possible, and strictly no foreign help in any of the critical design areas and sub-systems. This stricture springs from the force’s reasonable fear that foreign governments or contractors could withhold critical after-sales help during a conflict or war. In March, Defence Minister A.K. Antony informed Parliament that a modified version of India’s troubled, unfinished Kaveri jet engine could power iusav. Several academic institutes, including IIT-Kanpur, have also been roped in for specific areas of critical research for use in IUSAV.

DRDO is working on other totally new areas that include serpentine jet intakes critical to stealth performance and cool exhausts to suppress the platform’s infrared give-away, enclosed weapons bays and conformal sensors and antennae that will perform their crucial functions without compromising on the low observability.

If everything goes as planned, an off-limits section of ada in Bangalore, headed by senior aeronautical scientist Biju Uthup, hopes to begin testing a prototype of IUSAV by 2016. As things stand, IUSAV is only the latest in a healthy list of similar ‘flying wing’ stealth drones being developed across the world.

Indian Stealth Bomber No Longer a Secret

Looks like a copy of American stealth aircraft.

(pun intended)

 

[trident2010]

Looks like a copy of American stealth aircraft.

(pun intended)

If they can make this design and fly it in say 7 years, I will be bathing in beer