Indian Space Capabilities

[shchinese]

Both China and India are only minor players in the Space age...this is a ridiculous comparison...if you want to compare to someone then compare to the US who is retiring the Spaceships built 30 years ago due to age and till today no country can even dream of making one in the near future.

let me tell you something dude, I don't think China can catch up with your per capita GDP in my life time. however the interesting thing is when it comes to international influence, the per capita data is only useful when on paper. you guys won the WWII not because of your fancy per capita GDP, it is because your population and GDP is higher than the combined Japanese + German GDP. For the same reason, we will have 200% of your GDP when our per capita stat is only half of yours. you know what does that mean.

then what does half of your GDP per capita means? Look at your backyard Mexico. do you seriously believe we can't catch up with Mexico in terms of GDP per capita?

for space technologies, yes, the US is the leading power. this situation won't change in the next 30-50 years. but who cares? unless you can get meaningful contact with those little-green-men on Mars first and cut some technology transfer deals, you are not going to change the above mention situation - once our per capita GDP stats is comparable to Mexico, the US will no longer be qualified as a superpower.

please note, the only assumptions here are:
1. we can catch up with Mexico's GDP per capita.
2. you can't cut a technology transfer deal with your friends on the Mars in the next 50 years.

here India is a completely store, many well educated Chinese regard the US as our future ally while India being our biggest enemy. this is so clear to me as once our GDP is twice as much as yours, your "voters" are going to force your government to be our ally, there is the pacific between our two nations, we are the leading force in the west/east, there is not much reason to fight. India is different, India is in our doorstep and we will NEVER tolerate another superpower with more than 1 billion people our doorstep. Please read the history on how we used hundreds of years to completely remove the entire ethnic group that used to rule Korea.

btw, my father's uncle fought the Vietnam war, shot down a couple of your fighters. hope your spaceship is better than those fancy fighters.

 

[paritosh]

for space technologies, yes, the US is the leading power. this situation won't change in the next 30-50 years. but who cares? unless you can get meaningful contact with those little-green-men on Mars first and cut some technology transfer deals, you are not going to change the above mention situation - once our per capita GDP stats is comparable to Mexico, the US will no longer be qualified as a superpower.

please note, the only assumptions here are:
1. we can catch up with Mexico's GDP per capita.
2. you can't cut a technology transfer deal with your friends on the Mars in the next 50 years.

what has poor Mexico gotta do with your sinister plans?
and what the heck does point no.2 mean?

here India is a completely store, many well educated Chinese regard the US as our future ally while India being our biggest enemy. this is so clear to me as once our GDP is twice as much as yours, your "voters" are going to force your government to be our ally, there is the pacific between our two nations, we are the leading force in the west/east, there is not much reason to fight. India is different, India is in our doorstep and we will NEVER tolerate another superpower with more than 1 billion people our doorstep. Please read the history on how we used hundreds of years to completely remove the entire ethnic group that used to rule Korea.

really?these are your reasons to brand us as your 'future enemies'?
just because we are at your door step and that we are a billion+ and that we might make it as another superpower?
forget all the boundary issues...our population growth rate and geographical location is an issue...

btw, my father's uncle fought the Vietnam war, shot down a couple of your fighters. hope your spaceship is better than those fancy fighters.

yeah declare war on America as America will eventually reach a billion+ sometime in the distant future...and I guess the tectonic movements of the continental plates would bring the Yanks closer to Manchuria one day...seriously shchinese I have been going through your posts...and you seemed to post everything in a blind hatred of everything non-chinese.

 

[shchinese]

really?these are your reasons to brand us as your 'future enemies'?
just because we are at your door step and that we are a billion+ and that we might make it as another superpower?
forget all the boundary issues...our population growth rate and geographical location is an issue...

sorry, not future enemies, the correct term is "the future enemy", or "the only enemy in the future".

yeah declare war on America as America will eventually reach a billion+ sometime in the distant future...and I guess the tectonic movements of the continental plates would bring the Yanks closer to Manchuria one day...seriously shchinese I have been going through your posts...and you seemed to post everything in a blind hatred of everything non-chinese.

No, I've clearly told you, the US and China will be allies in the future, there is no such "war" between these two great nations. They are not a threat to us.

please don't troll, you can't just put your troll words into my mouth.

 

[desimorty]

and what does pakistan have to say when China warms up to the US? The last time, the US and China were close, they armed Pakistan to the teeth and had THEM fight a proxy war with another superpower. While the US would like good relations, its not gonna happen untill your politicians are held accountable. Its a dog eat dog world. China is scapegoating Japan and Taiwan. The whole manned space mission was just an excuse to spurge nationalism during the tainted milk scandle. The propaganda against India is noticable too. The CCP want to create and image of poverty and failed democracy for India. If you saw the worse in India, you wouldn't want elections either. Bottom line, China is not close to warming up to US because of Taiwan, they want it before the sustainable change to democracy. Yes, CCP knows dictatorships don;t work, just like they knew Communism doesn't work, long.

 

[dvk1982]

sorry, not future enemies, the correct term is "the future enemy", or "the only enemy in the future".



No, I've clearly told you, the US and China will be allies in the future, there is no such "war" between these two great nations. They are not a threat to us.

please don't troll, you can't just put your troll words into my mouth.

Man... u do have some glorious fancy hallucinations....

Anywyas whatever be ur arguments and jingoism... Just remember this :
lets wait for another 15-20 yrs and see how china stands on it's own in this soon to be multi-polar world...
_ my theory, India necessarily needn't be anywhere close to china in terms of GDP but still can act as a counter balance, off course it assumes India strengthens its Economy many folds in the mean time even if its second best after china !!!

 

[grey boy 2]

and what does pakistan have to say when China warms up to the US? The last time, the US and China were close, they armed Pakistan to the teeth and had THEM fight a proxy war with another superpower. While the US would like good relations, its not gonna happen untill your politicians are held accountable. Its a dog eat dog world. China is scapegoating Japan and Taiwan. The whole manned space mission was just an excuse to spurge nationalism during the tainted milk scandle. The propaganda against India is noticable too. The CCP want to create and image of poverty and failed democracy for India. If you saw the worse in India, you wouldn't want elections either. Bottom line, China is not close to warming up to US because of Taiwan, they want it before the sustainable change to democracy. Yes, CCP knows dictatorships don;t work, just like they knew Communism doesn't work, long.

Is this a thread about the space capabilities of India?

What with the CCP,Taiwan , communism have to do with it?

Do you mean a democracy base on a caste system will benifit to

your space capabilities in the long run?

I don't think so.

Democracy+caste system=??....

 

[Chanakyaa]

Get back on topic guys.

 

[shchinese]

Man... u do have some glorious fancy hallucinations....

Anywyas whatever be ur arguments and jingoism... Just remember this :
lets wait for another 15-20 yrs and see how china stands on it's own in this soon to be multi-polar world...
_ my theory, India necessarily needn't be anywhere close to china in terms of GDP but still can act as a counter balance, off course it assumes India strengthens its Economy many folds in the mean time even if its second best after china !!!

counter balance?

how about spend more time to build your own bullets? the bullets used by your army are imported, keep this in your mind dude.

 

[beckham]

counter balance?

how about spend more time to build your own bullets? the bullets used by your army are imported, keep this in your mind dude.

what ? now you are saying we cant even manufacture bullets ? don't be so ignorant ...

Ammunition Factory, Khadki

Monday, January 25, 1999


PUNE, Jan 24: Making effective use of concurrent engineering to meet the growing requirements of the Indian army, the Ammunition Factory at Khadki, one of the oldest small arms ammunition factories in the country, has set up separate facilities for the manufacture of ammunition for the famous AK-47 weapon systems and the recently introduced 5.56 Indian Small Arms Weapon System (INSAS).
Almost every soldier of the Indian army is equipped with INSAS following the gradual phase-out of the 7.62 rifle. Significantly, Pune will be the only facility to manufacture the required ammunition for both the weapon systems in bulk quantities. At a later stage this year, the Ordnance Factory, Warangaon near Bhusaval, will also be involved in some of the supply process.

The INSAS ammunition, which has a maximum range of 4600 metres and an effective range of 750 metres, can penetrate a 2.45 mm thick steel plate almost 600 metres from the muzzle. It can be fired at the rate of five rounds per second.

Officials said that in the recent user trials at Mhow, the ammunition was tested against similar imported ammunition from South Africa, Israel, Belgium, France and Spain and was found to be far superior. Another set of trials are expected to be conducted in March this year before the ammunition can be supplied to the armed forces in bulk.

In the last two decades, the NATO and erstwhile Warsaw Pact countries replaced 7.62 mm rifle with an improved small arms weapon of 5.56 calibre. During the period, most countries formed a belief that instead of causing loss to human life, the other country should be put to burden with the war wounded.

This belief was chiefly the outcome of the immense problems caused by the wounded soldiers in the aftermath of the Vietnam war. As a result most nations shifted from the 7.62 mm rifle to the improved small arms weapon of 5.56 mm calibre.

Soon after the Ordnance factories in collaboration with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) developed the INSAS, which is considered far superior to weapon systems currently in use in NATO and the erstwhile Warsaw Pact countries.

Ammunition factory completed the development of ammunition for the INSAS in 1992 and commenced limited bulk production in 1993 by conversion of the old 7.62 mm machines for this purpose. The project for creation of capacity of production of 5.56 mm ammunition is now nearing completion.

Ammunition Factory (Khadki) general manager S Ramaratnam told The Indian Express that concurrent engineering was the buzzword in most defence establishments and, as a result, the factory had taken steps towards utilising the existing machines of 7.62 Rifle for the INSAS ammunition.

``Some of the machines are supplied by HMT but some of them are required to be imported,'' Ramaratnam said. With the use of the existing machines, the factory has managed to save at least five years in the production process.

The factory will manufacture the case, bullet, propellant and primer used for treating the firing at the Khadki facility. During the final phase, the factory will be supplying 160 million rounds of INSAS ammunition.

On the ammunition for the AK-47 weapon systems, Ramaratnam said that these were still being developed and moreover, the Indian army was presently importing these weapon systems to meet its requirements.

AK-47, INSAS rest on AFK shoulders to shoot off


:By the way take a look at the date of the article, before posting anymore of your great observations !

 

[hack]

let me tell you something dude, I don't think China can catch up with your per capita GDP in my life time. however the interesting thing is when it comes to international influence, the per capita data is only useful when on paper. you guys won the WWII not because of your fancy per capita GDP, it is because your population and GDP is higher than the combined Japanese + German GDP. For the same reason, we will have 200% of your GDP when our per capita stat is only half of yours. you know what does that mean.

then what does half of your GDP per capita means? Look at your backyard Mexico. do you seriously believe we can't catch up with Mexico in terms of GDP per capita?

for space technologies, yes, the US is the leading power. this situation won't change in the next 30-50 years. but who cares? unless you can get meaningful contact with those little-green-men on Mars first and cut some technology transfer deals, you are not going to change the above mention situation - once our per capita GDP stats is comparable to Mexico, the US will no longer be qualified as a superpower.

please note, the only assumptions here are:
1. we can catch up with Mexico's GDP per capita.
2. you can't cut a technology transfer deal with your friends on the Mars in the next 50 years.

here India is a completely store, many well educated Chinese regard the US as our future ally while India being our biggest enemy. this is so clear to me as once our GDP is twice as much as yours, your "voters" are going to force your government to be our ally, there is the pacific between our two nations, we are the leading force in the west/east, there is not much reason to fight. India is different, India is in our doorstep and we will NEVER tolerate another superpower with more than 1 billion people our doorstep. Please read the history on how we used hundreds of years to completely remove the entire ethnic group that used to rule Korea.

btw, my father's uncle fought the Vietnam war, shot down a couple of your fighters. hope your spaceship is better than those fancy fighters.

You are living in a fantasy land..Americans don't consider China as an ally.Most ordinary Americans think of china as a threat.Why do you think they are giving all they can to India.

 

[shchinese]

You are living in a fantasy land..Americans don't consider China as an ally.Most ordinary Americans think of china as a threat.Why do you think they are giving all they can to India.

of course we are not ally at this stage. I am talking about "ally in the future".

in general America is a threat to us, but not as big as India -- in other words, the US is not big enough to be qualified to be our biggest enemy. Yes, that also means we see India as a rising power which will quickly overtake the US in a few decades.

 

[Khajur]

Stop feeding a freaking lunatic troll!

He is destroying this thread.

 

[Khajur]

Did ISRO goof up in predicting Chandrayaan mission life?


Did Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) goof up when it announced that Chandrayaan-1 would have a mission life of two years as none of the lunar craft launched by other nations lasted that long?

On the hindsight, officials of the Bangalore-based space agency admit that they probably did.

"No lunar spacecraft works for two years. We did a mistake by telling it has a mission life of two years," an official said on condition of anonymity, noting that lunar craft of other countries had not lasted beyond 6-7 months.

"By saying it has a two-year life, we are caught in a sticky situation," the official said.

Radio contact with the Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft,India's maiden moon mission launched on October 22 last year, was abruptly lost early yesterday, with Project Director M Annadurai saying that the mission is now over.

"Ten months is a very good life. Mapping-wise everything has been completed, except for a few patches," an ISRO official said, referring to performance of Chandrayaan-1.

Officials said the antenna is being rotated in all directions to pick up signals but admit "the chances are slim".

Officials said "some catastrophic failure either in transmitter or receiving systems" is the likely cause of the snapping of radio link. "Majority of the electronic systems are okay. Only communication system has failed", they said.

The situation could be compared to a switched-off cellphone wherein incoming and outgoing communication cannot happen, the official said.

Did ISRO goof up in predicting Chandrayaan's life?: Rediff.com news

 

[hack]

of course we are not ally at this stage. I am talking about "ally in the future".

in general America is a threat to us, but not as big as India -- in other words, the US is not big enough to be qualified to be our biggest enemy. Yes, that also means we see India as a rising power which will quickly overtake the US in a few decades.

Get off the shrooms man...

 

[beckham]

Stop feeding a freaking lunatic troll!

He is destroying this thread.

Nooo.... he is destroying ''ALL'' threads !!