Indian Railways vs. Chinese Railways...

[Chanakya's_Chant]

They are all full of shit.

India overflows with people who are ignorant, unlearned, uneducated, and parochial. They pretend to be experts and speak at length about subjects they know nothing about. Sophistry and glibness are national characteristics.

For example, a former Indian information minister said this about cloud computing, "cloud computing is great... but what if it rains?"

India is full of people like Screambowl, and that's why India is so far behind China.

Your original post only compared middle India to South India. Let me quote you:


The pathetic thing is that you got that completely wrong. In fact, the average temperature difference between mid and south India between May and July is less than 3.7 degrees Celsius.

And what about the 'peninsular effect' you spoke of? Let me ask you, what does evolutionary biology have to do with climatology and meteorology?

You are just another Indian talking out of your ***. You should become a Kangress MP like Mr. Gupta.

His father was Vishwa Bandhu Gupta, a very corrupt technology minister in the previous Indian government. He took a lot of bribes. That's why Screambowl can afford his education. But I doubt he will learn anything because he already is an expert in everything.

You are so blindfolded in your pathological hatred for India than you can't even differentiate between and IT of Income Tax and IT of Information Technology - The man whose videos you are posting is a random IT (Income Tax) Commissioner who had been suspended from service way back in 2000. How moronic is it to mistook for an IT (information Technology) Minister? He was neither an MP nor a Minister but then there has too be something for indophobic scavengers like you to feed on no matter it may be a product of your own fantasy.

How low will you get? Go get a life man!

 

[by78]

You are so blindfolded in your pathological hatred for India than you can't even differentiate between and IT of Income Tax and IT of Information Technology - The man whose videos you are posting is a random IT (Income Tax) Commissioner who had been suspended from service way back in 2000. How moronic is it to mistook for an IT (information Technology) Minister? He was neither an MP nor a Minister but then there has too be something for indophobic scavengers like you to feed on no matter it may be a product of your own fantasy.

How low will you get? Go get a life man!

So you don't deny that "India overflows with people who are ignorant, unlearned, uneducated, and parochial. They pretend to be experts and speak at length about subjects they know nothing about. Sophistry and glibness are national characteristics".

Good. Glad there are at least some clear-eyed Indians.

 

[Screambowl]

His father was Vishwa Bandhu Gupta, a very corrupt technology minister in the previous Indian government. He took a lot of bribes. That's why Screambowl can afford his education. But I doubt he will learn anything because he already is an expert in everything.

@Horus @waz

stop this guy getting personal, or else i'll have to abuse him

I'm not very interested into freight corridors, but as far as I know Chinese railway has the second largest freight volume after US(their freight locomotives are the best),
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In China, railway freight transport is crucial(especially raw material, primary industrial products).
Along with expressway network and national highway network, they form a modern logistics system.
However, that's also why China is interested in HSR and intercity HSR, give more room to both passengers trains and freight trains(this was the primary reason 10 years ago).

In China, railway is mostly for long-distance passengers(>500-1000km for normal trains) and freight transport. And public bus and cargo trucks are for short distance.(expressways are also for long-distance freight transport as well). To separate them into separate lines are our main concern in the ongoing railway reforms.

LOCOMOTIVES
There are numeral cases of cooperation between China and European/American railway giants(Alstom, Siemens, bombardier, etc).
Like HXD1(10000kw),HXD3D(7200kw, 160km/h), HXD3A(under test, 9600kw). They are dedicated in designing more powerful locomotives which will operate on freight railway.

Heavy Haulage
The future tendency of railway around the world is HSR and heavy haulage, the latter one is now only in USA, China, Russia, Canada, Australia, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datong–Qinhuangdao_Railway （annual profit: 11.8 billion yuan）
one train=30000ton, the busiest freight line in the world
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when our requirement of freight is up to our needs, why to go blindfolded and increase the size by looking at china? We will do it as per the needs. Come on dude, you are speaking nonsense now.

@Screambowl
Seriously, how can you capable to spend 2000 euros for fee in German as a Student? That's unbelievable,

I am not one of the poor you think India is full of.

@Screambowl
I don't think India can learn traffic system from America. America has a bigger land and a smaller population. Beside that, american Amry fights all over the world to make their oil price low. And also give that so many cars they have, they can fly or drive. That's why they don't want the HSR so well.
On the other side, China is a good example for India. Because they both have a huge population. But I doesn't mean India should built HSR now. I just think Inida should at least upgrade railway and station now.China begin to raise the speed of the train(upgrade the track) when chinese GDP per capita is only 700 dollors.
But the problem is, upgrade your track cost also many. If you don't spend the money now, sooner or later, it will delay you econmy growth.

India has already began upgrading Railway stations. And upgrading CTC also. HSR will not create profit for us because the operating cost will be higher than earning cost, as commuters will not prefer it.

We had experimented it with Shatabdi express with 150km/hr speed, but many do not board it because they feel it is costly for travelling 500km, hence Government had to launch Jan Shatabdi( slower and no AC) version with half of the ticket price what people pay in normal Shatabdi.

Chinese members are not able to understand this. Our tracks are being upgraded to hold max 200km/hr not more than that. And for the next 2 decades India will not have any HSR.

 

[by78]

China has over a short time built up an impressive lineup of EMUs.

 

[by78]

 

[Screambowl]

First of all, its NOT a case of 100% literacy. it is 93%

Second, it was not "communism" that brought forth this change. Because the second most literate Union territory is Lakshyadweep with 92% rate of literacy with no trace of communism. And on the higher grounds, look at the Skandinavian countries = All 100% literacy yet no communism.

Communism is a total failure in India as well as in the world. To relate literacy with communism is laughable.

Kerala's morbidity rate is higher than that of any other Indian state—118 (rural) and 88 (urban) per 1,000 people. The corresponding figures for all India = 55 and 54 per 1,000 respectively - why communism did not do it right?

Keral is 92.28% even after communism, not violent like West bengal, that's what I said. Some how people managed with it too.

 

[Tshering22]

Learn to accept faults.

The comparison clearly shows what India is lacking and how much India needs to improve. A look at Indian railway stations and it shows how much India is behind in infrastructure.

Then next time please don't shout and whine like a loser mango man about a proposed hike in rail fares.

Most fellow Indians do, because of which railways cannot upgrade.

 

[Screambowl]

So India can only afford 2000 euros per month?

@Horus @WebMaster guys, if this thread remains, soon it will lead to 1962 discussion, due to people like by78. He has derailed the thread.

heard of L.N mittal? He can buy your CRH lol,

 

[Tshering22]

Like Sri Lanka can afford chinese high speed super trains.
Look at pakistan railway,they get engines from china.And those engines SUCK..India produces much better and more powerful engines and coaches in low budget.

You're telling this to a certified India hater troll here. Take the opinions of other Lankan members who will give you a more balanced response.

Can you tell me what is the average travelled railways fare for these trains please?

Just so that I could give a constructive statement in response to your wonderful pictures which you will understand.

 

[Screambowl]

You're telling this to a certified India hater troll here. Take the opinions of other Lankan members who will give you a more balanced response.



Can you tell me what is the average travelled railways fare for these trains please?

Just so that I could give a constructive statement in response to your wonderful pictures which you will understand.

It's too high, around 7000 rupees , which is 500-600 RMB , In India no one will pay for this. This is my argument, with chinese.

 

[by78]

@Horus @WebMaster guys, if this thread remains, soon it will lead to 1962 discussion, due to people like by78. He has derailed the thread.

heard of L.N mittal? He can buy your CRH lol,

I derailed the thread? I STARTED the thread.

If you don't like it, start your own.

 

[Screambowl]

So you don't deny that "India overflows with people who are ignorant, unlearned, uneducated, and parochial. They pretend to be experts and speak at length about subjects they know nothing about. Sophistry and glibness are national characteristics".

Good. Glad there are at least some clear-eyed Indians.

@Horus @WebMaster @waz @Jungibaaz

 

[by78]

It's too high, around 7000 rupees , which is 500-600 RMB , In India no one will pay for this. This is my argument, with chinese.

So it's a financial reason after all, not due to climate.

 

[Screambowl]

So it's a financial reason after all, not due to climate.

why would one pay to travel in train when in 7000 one can reach within 1-2 hour to its destination by air? Are you some kind of over ripen mango?

 

[by78]

why would one pay to travel in train when in 7000 one can reach within 1-2 hour to its destination by air? Are you some kind of over ripen mango?

So Indians are too poor to pay for tickets? Is that what you are admitting?

I thought you said high speed rail couldn't be built due to temperature differences between mid and south India.