Indian Prime Minister's Upcoming Visit

[Zabaniyah]

Sorry but jagjit singh arora
and j.k jacob who got the surrender treaty signed not some bangladeshi

The Pakistanis technically surrendered to Bangladesh.

 

[praveen]

The Pakistanis technically surrendered to Bangladesh.

Thats a fig leaf for them to cover with

 

[Zabaniyah]

Thats a fig leaf for them to cover with

Easy for you to say

 

[my2cents]

Firstly, this water entitlement and land swap is not being "given" to us, it is our right. Next, this credit line, i would ask you to check out for what purpose this credit line is being given. This credit line is being given to us to construct roads which India will use, and 80% of the materials will have to be bought from India, and then we will have to pay back the loan with interest.

This deal is like saying i will give a loan to my friend so that he buys a car which i will use. This specific car will have to be bought from my car showroom, and then this loan must be paid back with interest. One hell of a deal dont you think?

And about this insurgency thing i ll just say this much, when AL comes India congratulates GoB for it's efforts to "curb" terrorism and insurgency, and when BNP comes suddenly Bangladesh becomes breeding grounds for terrorism and anti india activities. Do you honestly buy this?

You are wrong on both counts. India has the riparian rights to the water because the head waters originate in India. Regarding the land did you ever hear the saying -- possession is 99% ownership.

Your analogy regarding the car loan is also absurd. Let me explain. Firstly, you can say no the loan and also the transit facilities. The reason you guys accepted the deal is because it will improve the infrastructure of your country. How is it different if you take a loan from say China. They will involve their engineers and their construction companies for sure. They will dictate the terms because they can. It is their money.

It is like building a bridge with a loan and paying back with the tolls collected from users. After the loan is payed back you have the bridge for ever for posterity. Heck, if someone is ready to build the roads in my country, I would be jumping with joy.

 

[Zabaniyah]

You are wrong on both counts. India has the riparian rights to the water because the head waters originate in India. Regarding the land did you ever hear the saying -- possession is 99% ownership.

Your analogy regarding the car loan is also absurd. Let me explain. Firstly, you can say no the loan and also the transit facilities. The reason you guys accepted the deal is because it will improve the infrastructure of your country. How is it different if you take a loan from say China. They will involve their engineers and their construction companies for sure. They will dictate the terms because they can. It is their money.

It is like building a bridge with a loan and paying back with the tolls collected from users. After the loan is payed back you have the bridge for ever for posterity. Heck, if someone is ready to build the roads in my country, I would be jumping with joy.

Many of the BD boys are teenagers and college going

Too much testosterone in their systems

But sure, the transit is beneficial for everybody in SAARC, including China and Myanmar.

 

[my2cents]

One more thing -- this transit facilities being provided by your country is not only for India but for entire region including Nepal and Bhutan. It is not a bilateral agreement but multilateral agreement.

 

[integra]

Many of the BD boys are teenagers and college going

Too much testosterone in their systems

Never mind but you should stop trying to be the sole representative of everyone else. There are senior members and junior members and everyone has his opinions which helps us to grasp the overall scenario and the situation surrounding them.

Now the nick you use is Zabanya which is either the character from Mobile Suit Gundam or one of guardians of hell (from Quran). I'll go with the previous because of your DP.
Now being a Gundam fanboy who had finished his studies few months or years ago doesn't make you look like Gandalf right? It could have been Naruto, Ichigo, L,Rukia, Eureka, Batou or whatever but still I don't think it matters when it comes to credibility.

Phew! Hope that wasn't harsh, anyways cheers for the cloud ahead....

 

[Contrarian]

Firstly, this water entitlement and land swap is not being "given" to us, it is our right.

The rights are limited by what India does. That is a fact- like it or not. India however wants to be transparent in the entire thing and wants both parties to benefit. Not resolving the border issue is also an option. Like BD not supporting separatists is also a right that India can demand from BD, yet BNP actively did the opposite.

Next, this credit line, i would ask you to check out for what purpose this credit line is being given. This credit line is being given to us to construct roads which India will use, and 80% of the materials will have to be bought from India, and then we will have to pay back the loan with interest.

So? It is still a credit deal. You will develop roads with it wont you? You will get economic development with this wont you? I dont understand. We are giving a preferential credit line. The interest is LOWER than what you would get from elsewhere! This is still one of the best deals you got and yet you complain on what you are not given?!

And about this insurgency thing i ll just say this much, when AL comes India congratulates GoB for it's efforts to "curb" terrorism and insurgency, and when BNP comes suddenly Bangladesh becomes breeding grounds for terrorism and anti india activities. Do you honestly buy this?

Your governments have been playing around with fire. Your polity is divided, one wants to emulate Pakistan and go against India, the other wants good relations with India. The arms haul case also separated milk from water. Your government BNP and Islamists like Jamati's have tried to fan insurgency in India. Do remember that. Heck the son of your ex PM was planning to give truckloads of arms to our separatists. It doesnt get more damning than that. So to argue for niceties from India with such an attitude is folly.

BAL actually worked on delivering the rhetoric of not allowing terrorists sanctuary in BD. She acted against ULFA. Delivered their major leaders, took action against them. India saw concrete action on ground. And thus, GoI wishes to reciprocate the gesture and now wants friendly relations.

 

[Raquib]

Let Manmohan come.. Why so excited??? I dont expect his arrival to solve the land and water disputes, neither do I expect BSF stop shooting down our civilians..

 

[Zabaniyah]

Never mind but you should stop trying to be the sole representative of everyone else. There are senior members and junior members and everyone has his opinions which helps us to grasp the overall scenario and the situation surrounding them.

Now the nick you use is Zabanya which is either the character from Mobile Suit Gundam or one of guardians of hell (from Quran). I'll go with the previous because of your DP.
Now being a Gundam fanboy who had finished his studies few months or years ago doesn't make you look like Gandalf right? It could have been Naruto, Ichigo, L,Rukia, Eureka, Batou or whatever but still I don't think it matters when it comes to credibility.

Phew! Hope that wasn't harsh, anyways cheers for the cloud ahead....

Lets not beat about the bush shall we.

 

[integra]

Lets not beat about the bush shall we.

I don't mind beating this bush though

 

[Zabaniyah]

I don't mind beating this bush if you're talkin....

Oh lol

 

[saleen_s7]

Many of the BD boys are teenagers and college going

Too much testosterone in their systems

But sure, the transit is beneficial for everybody in SAARC, including China and Myanmar.

Don't mind me asking, but how is it beneficiary for all? You know once you give someone a right, you can never take it back. You might be right that the transit has many benefits for everyone in the SAARC, but you fail to consider that SAARC itself is a total failure. There's hostilities between almost everyone within the union and taking such a huge step should be reviewed cautiously before just accepting without even thinking the consequences. Awami league has no bargaining chips with India. Did you even see how the deal was accepted? No negotiation no nothing. Do you think it was right for awami league to take such a big leap w.o even trying to bargain and put some conditions on India too?
I know I will not be able to convince you, but let's look at two possible scenarios. Either A, we all benefit from the deal and we are all happy. or B, for some reason it doesn't work, who will still have to pay for the transit? And one billion dollar is a lot of money, and even if the project is successful, don't you think we could do much more with that kind of money? Why not help our business sector? Why not subsidise the garments industry, which recently became a total joke?
And studying past records of govt built infrastructure, we can all bet that this project will take much longer than its intends too. Don't forget the corruption in between.
Indians maybe laughing now, but wait till ULFA members and other banned terrorist orgs get a hand on this transit. It will be laughing its off.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Don't mind me asking, but how is it beneficiary for all? You know once you give someone a right, you can never take it back. You might be right that the transit has many benefits for everyone in the SAARC, but you fail to consider that SAARC itself is a total failure. There's hostilities between almost everyone within the union and taking such a huge step should be reviewed cautiously before just accepting without even thinking the consequences.

I don't mind at all, in fact I welcome criticism, especially the ones backed with at least some facts. What I don't welcome are personal attacks, it just derails the whole thing.

Yes I know the SAARC is a weak union at best. At times I have come to think the union should be disbanded, and Bangladesh join ASEAN instead. The transit would improve communications, trade and create jobs - no doubt. This can ease the unemployment problems we have in parts of Bangladesh.

As far as hostilities go, the best thing we can do is just get out of the way in the hostilities between countries like China and India. They are both very powerful neighbors. We are very far away from Pakistan, so we could care less. Best to be neutral in that case. But I can honestly say that China is a more reliable partner (we really couldn't always trust India).

Awami league has no bargaining chips with India. Did you even see how the deal was accepted? No negotiation no nothing. Do you think it was right for awami league to take such a big leap w.o even trying to bargain and put some conditions on India too?
I know I will not be able to convince you, but let's look at two possible scenarios. Either A, we all benefit from the deal and we are all happy. or B, for some reason it doesn't work, who will still have to pay for the transit? And one billion dollar is a lot of money, and even if the project is successful, don't you think we could do much more with that kind of money? Why not help our business sector? Why not subsidise the garments industry, which recently became a total joke?

The first mistake that idiot Hasina regime did was that it gave the whole cake to India, yes THE WHOLE CAKE. When it comes to such important matters in diplomacy, we shouldn't just compromise everything in a particular matter both in the present and the future implications. The current long-standing issues between India and Bangladesh are a result of our government's stupidity, and it is fair to say that the AL is poora Indiar dalal. Indian bureaucracy is slow and India is stingy by nature.

The transit would also connect to China and Burma. China is a big and a growing market for Bangladeshi made garments. Bangladesh has a potent shoe manufacturing sector. And can do so cheaply and at the right quality.

The finance for the transit is provided by foreign institutions and partly by the government. Yes, $1 billion is a lot of money, but it wouldn't make much difference if it isn't implemented anyways. It would wind up in the pockets of MPs in the end. At least it is good that the money is being implemented for something - i.e the transit.

The garments industry is doing fine, even if there are some downs due to recession in the West and rising cotton prices due to natural disasters in other countries like Pakistan and China. These setbacks are only temporary. I think this industry has good potential to grow more.

And studying past records of govt built infrastructure, we can all bet that this project will take much longer than its intends too. Don't forget the corruption in between.
Indians maybe laughing now, but wait till ULFA members and other banned terrorist orgs get a hand on this transit. It will be laughing its off.

I don't know what to say about this. Yes, there is corruption, but it is really something that we have all become accustomed to in everyday Bangladeshi life. Really wish that politicians were less corrupt. Just put up $1 billion in the government, and it'll all be gobbled up in seconds. hehehe, our politicians are greedy. All we can do is hope that corruption goes down to an acceptable limit.

As far as the ULAF goes, it should be part of our responsibility to deny haven to terrorists and armed foreign groups on Bangladeshi territory. I mean, why should we give haven to armed foreign groups? I hope the Bangladesh military take this seriously other than complaining. That complaining part is not something the military should be doing, it is their job as soldiers to maintain security. Harboring foreign armed groups, both intentional and non-intentional can be very dangerous to Bangladesh, especially considering we are a Muslim majority country. Best thing is to just kick those gringos out our territory. ULAF activities on Indian territory is India's responsibility.

If we look at the transit in the long run, it is a good thing. Both India and China are advancing in all aspects. With that happening, we will soon follow. If no transit and communications, then it would only hinder us in the long term. That is why I support the transit, despite the odds.

 

[saleen_s7]

I don't mind at all, in fact I welcome criticism, especially the ones backed with at least some facts. What I don't welcome are personal attacks, it just derails the whole thing.

Yes I know the SAARC is a weak union at best. At times I have come to think the union should be disbanded, and Bangladesh join ASEAN instead. The transit would improve communications, trade and create jobs - no doubt. This can ease the unemployment problems we have in parts of Bangladesh.

As far as hostilities go, the best thing we can do is just get out of the way in the hostilities between countries like China and India. They are both very powerful neighbors. We are very far away from Pakistan, so we could care less. Best to be neutral in that case. But I can honestly say that China is a more reliable partner (we really couldn't always trust India).



The first mistake that idiot Hasina regime did was that it gave the whole cake to India, yes THE WHOLE CAKE. When it comes to such important matters in diplomacy, we shouldn't just compromise everything in a particular matter both in the present and the future implications. The current long-standing issues between India and Bangladesh are a result of our government's stupidity, and it is fair to say that the AL is poora Indiar dalal. Indian bureaucracy is slow and India is stingy by nature.

The transit would also connect to China and Burma. China is a big and a growing market for Bangladeshi made garments. Bangladesh has a potent shoe manufacturing sector. And can do so cheaply and at the right quality.

The finance for the transit is provided by foreign institutions and partly by the government. Yes, $1 billion is a lot of money, but it wouldn't make much difference if it isn't implemented anyways. It would wind up in the pockets of MPs in the end. At least it is good that the money is being implemented for something - i.e the transit.

The garments industry is doing fine, even if there are some downs due to recession in the West and rising cotton prices due to natural disasters in other countries like Pakistan and China. These setbacks are only temporary. I think this industry has good potential to grow more.



I don't know what to say about this. Yes, there is corruption, but it is really something that we have all become accustomed to in everyday Bangladeshi life. Really wish that politicians were less corrupt. Just put up $1 billion in the government, and it'll all be gobbled up in seconds. hehehe, our politicians are greedy. All we can do is hope that corruption goes down to an acceptable limit.

As far as the ULAF goes, it should be part of our responsibility to deny haven to terrorists and armed foreign groups on Bangladeshi territory. I mean, why should we give haven to armed foreign groups? I hope the Bangladesh military take this seriously other than complaining. That complaining part is not something the military should be doing, it is their job as soldiers to maintain security. Harboring foreign armed groups, both intentional and non-intentional can be very dangerous to Bangladesh, especially considering we are a Muslim majority country. Best thing is to just kick those gringos out our territory. ULAF activities on Indian territory is India's responsibility.

If we look at the transit in the long run, it is a good thing. Both India and China are advancing in all aspects. With that happening, we will soon follow. If no transit and communications, then it would only hinder us in the long term. That is why I support the transit, despite the odds.

Did you really think it through? I really appreciate your optimistic views. But what you are chasing is an ideal world, but I prefer to look at things thru a realistic world. I can understand your reasoning behind your conclusion but your statements have just too many "we should" and "we could". The garments industry is now a joke, specially after setting the minimum wage. Many of the garments had been sold off to foreign industries and many industries are suffering due to various reasons. We don't have even enough money to generate power to our own industries, which creates more jobs than the one billion dollar ever will. So i really think that logic does not have much substance, although awami league uses this for constantly for scoring political points.
Now criticising the govt would be off no use because corruption would likely to prevail in any govt. Thats why I have always been a supporter of freidman economics. Why not let some private companies set this up instead of taking the whole country to deal with this issue? I don't really think Bangladeshi products have much value in China, because they are a pretty much self sufficient economy. They can make the cheapest products in the world, and I don't think our products will be much use to them. Also, remember, awami league is temporary. Sooner or later, they have to go. And other parties have better things to do than be concerned about ULFA and other terrorist groups, who is not much of a threat to us anyways. Remember, all the countries you see now, china and india, are pretty much self dependant, and we have to follow their footsteps. Not follow what they tell us to do. There is a difference.