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[SarthakGanguly]

Present Russia and China are not so hospitable for intellectuals but then I guess there not communist in the strictest sense but even when Russia was the system threw up Stalin and Lenin.

Communism in practice always have placed artificial limits and the truly free thinking intellectuals have always been muzzled in such regimes when they get out of the established line.

I hate quoting Ayn Rand as I truly despise her but she wasn't way off the mark when she said

It is the Communists’ intention to make people think that personal success is somehow achieved at the expense of others and that every successful man has hurt somebody by becoming successful. It is the Communists’ aim to discourage all personal effort and to drive men into a hopeless, dispirited, gray herd of robots who have lost all personal ambition, who are easy to rule, willing to obey and willing to exist in selfless servitude to the State.

This is what the communism gave us - WB being the experiment I have seen come to fruition with my eyes.

Regards

Ah, Music to my ears.

 

[asad71]

There is some thing in COMMON between India's ENEMIES & SICKULARS in India - They Both Don't Like Modi!!

In the entire HISTORY of the world, there was only one nation on Earth that was COLONIZED for 1 whole millennium & now I know the reason, when it comes to Mir Jafars, we have PLENTY of them!!

Mir Jafar was ours (BD and Pak). Yours were Umi Chand Rai Durlav, Jagath Seths (Mahtab Chand and Swarup Chand, and the Chief Purohit of Burdwan. Except the Purohit all the others were Marwari Banyas whose descendants are still doing well in India.

 

[Jai Bharat]

After thinking about the election and results for some time and analysing the situation more, here are my final conclusions:

In short, BJP lost because they cannot separate National politics with Local politcs.

BJP lost not to Nitish, not to Congress or secularism or intolerance or whatever bullshit the pseudo-intellectuals on electronic media run, but to Lalu Prasad Yadav.

Compare and contrast Modi's speeches with Lalu's. Despite what the electronic media tries to imply, Modi only ever talks about development, development, development. On the other hand, time and time again Lalu is capable of winning elections because he knows what his people want. His speeches and talks are always about how Yadavs are destined to run Bihar, are the superior caste, deserve the most reservations, etc. Lalu knows how to play the caste game, while BJP doesn't even try and utterly fails at it. For example tying up with some washed up leaders such as Manji who wields no power at all.

Caste based politics plays much less emphasis on National politics, but still governs politics at the local state level. BJP does not understand this. Calling in Modi to give speeches about development and reform were never going to work in a state that is still 87% rural and still runs on a caste based mindset, while the opponent was shouting Caste, Caste, Caste.

Hopefully BJP understands and learns this lesson. Here is what they should have done:

1. Run for all 243 seats. Don't waste your time and political capital with unknown local parties whose stupid commentary might damage the campaign. Manji's non-stop insistence about 'accepting' a CM position did nothing but hurt BJP overall.

2. Play Dirty Caste Politics. Loser's get no awards for running clean campaigns free of filthy political caste campaigns. The media doesn't really care and will be anti-Modi anti-BJP anyway.

3. Have a local caste leader like a Yadav prominently featured as CM. This will create problems in the long-run I'm sure, but winning elections are the most important task right now. This will cause confusion in vote base. The mind of a voter will be: Lalu tells me that BJP is anti-Yadav, anti-Reservationism, but they have a Yadav as CM?? Something is not right.

4. KEEP A DUAL STRATEGY. Let local allied caste leaders play the unholy caste game, but have national leaders like Modi come in and talk about development and national vision. This mix of local politics, national vision will be a big hit with voter-base. Voters want both development of nation, as shown by 2014, but want local political aspirations and caste politics fulfilled. So give them what they want. Don't be so foolish as to think people will abandon generations of local caste-ism in favour solely of national politics and vision (Edit: I feel like this point needs to be emphasized for people on forums, we are here because we want to see a strong, shining India, so we tend to forget the local state-level aspirations that govern local elections and only think about how things would affect national vision). And since the comments of national leaders will be separated from local ones, Modi can keep a clean image. What is the media going to do? Accuse local BJP-allied Yadav leaders of playing local Yadav politics? Nobody would care. This was the the single biggest failure of BJP strategy and Amit Shah. This is what he does not realize, people are not yet ready to leave local caste politics. You cannot treat Local elections the same as than National ones!

Going forward 2016 will be a difficult time. But if they properly play the local politically game and mix it in with national level politics and vision from Modi and the centre, then they can win major gains in even difficult elections such as Assam and West Bengal. Remember that all elected officials have a mid-term hit in popularity. This is natural. If anything it would be good if the opposition got cocky and certain of themselves to the point where they underestimate the BJP going forward.

 

[Marxist]

Saw this on Twitter

 

[LaBong]

And in no other country, in no other circumstances, except during Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution, was there any problem between the communists and intellectuals.

But communists do cultivate only one set of intellectuals and genrally ostracize anyone with counter narrative.

What do you think would have happened to Nirod C Choudhury had he decided to stay in Bengal?

Mir Jafar was ours (BD and Pak). Yours were Umi Chand Rai Durlav, Jagath Seths (Mahtab Chand and Swarup Chand, and the Chief Purohit of Burdwan. Except the Purohit all the others were Marwari Banyas whose descendants are still doing well in India.

What this guy is doing here?

I am not clear on the timelines but Tasleema Nasreen but communist govt failed to prevent the hounding out of Tasleema Nasreen.

Nasrin is bad example because she was booted out to counter Mamata's onslaught of minority votes aftermath of Nandigram.

More apt examples are rw quartets - Swapan, Kanchan, Vivek, Chandan Mitra, who didnt get a space in wb govt approved intelligentsia although largely being able.

 

[Haroon Syed]

Very simple.

They have nothing against privileged assholes. It's just that they want to be the only ones around. It's competition that they hate and want to eliminate.

Are you a communist or a dalit ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

You already gave three of the most successful revolutionary examples. Of course, Germany was saved by the Weimar's few Reichswehr (helped by the Freikorps) but that is a different story.

And why would Stalin not count as a Communist? No true Scotsman, sir?

What three most successful revolutionary examples did I give? Have you any idea of their record? Have you any information about murders they ordered, or intellectuals that they intimidated?

I suspected this and it's getting firmer. You really know nothing about the period. There were murderous assaults on both sides. The communists did hardly anything. And to think of Brecht in the context of violence is only hilarious.

I am glad that you pounced on the Stalin example. Did you read what I wrote about his purges? And why you should not have been considering that as an example?

You are much better doing your imitation of a Sturmabteilung Oberfuehrer for the RSS.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Where?

 

[Joe Shearer]

But communists do cultivate only one set of intellectuals and genrally ostracize anyone with counter narrative.

What do you think would have happened to Pramod C Choudhury had he decided to stay in Bengal?


What this guy is doing here?


Nasrin is bad example because she was booted out to counter Mamata's onslaught of minority votes aftermath of Nandigram.

More apt examples are rw quartets - Swapan, Kanchan, Vivek, Chandan Mitra, who didnt get a space in wb govt approved intelligentsia although largely being able.

Who is, or was Pramod C Choudhury?

And you really want to count Swapan DasGupta and Chandan Mitra among the intelligentsia? Seriously?

OK, I'm joking. Those two pissers were five or six years junior in school, so it's difficult to take them seriously. And you are right, communists do tend to favour one side of the category. Just don't tell @SarthakGanguly that.

 

[LaBong]

Who is, or was Pramod C Choudhury?

Nirod C Chowdhury!!

 

[Joe Shearer]

Are you a communist or a dalit ?

Neither.

 

[fsayed]

[http://m.timesofindia.com/elections...imates-BJP-in-Bihar/articleshow/49715601.cms] [Bihar election result: Spectacular comeback for Lalu Yadav as Grand Alliance decimates BJP in Bihar - The Times of India on Mobile] is good,have a look at it!

 

[itachii]

To all disheartened sanghis, we are fighting a war that was started a millenium back, when ugly barbarians attacked sindh for the first time. we lost swathes of our land after that. we were robbed, our religion,our culture and our women were humilated. scores of us were converted all we could do was cry all days, clutch our straws, bite our teeth and look at heavens to beg gods to come and save us...in a few yrs frm the day shivaji raised his sword to liberate us, we were colonized by britishers..as I said cowards and dhimmies hindus happen to be, we loose every time.. from then to now, we saw many many defeats and few victories.. this is just an other defeat in a battle and there are many more defeats that we will be encountering. don't let your warrior spirits drain.. we will win this war eventually, we will have our revenge on all those anti-nationals, sickular anti-hindus to ground, but that day is not today.

coming to the BJP, they should give up there high headed attitude and start from basics. there are signs of improvement in India, but the general population hardly gets it. these topics hardly get reported in media. govt should either encourage RW media in order to advertise there achievements or tame the existing media persons. they need to fasten the reform process in order to increase the growth rate. if our growth rate is anything below 10% during 2019 elections, mark my words we are going to lose the elections badly. this nation will any day chose a 7% UPA over an 8% NDA.

 

[LaBong]

And you really want to count Swapan DasGupta and Chandan Mitra among the intelligentsia?

Wrong examples I agree! But still communists are no known for their tolerance of opposing voice when they are in power.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Nirod C Chowdhury!!

<sigh>

You kids will be the death of me. Gordhob, it is Nirad C. Chaudhuri. Ontoto naamta likhte shekho.

Coming to him, why would he not have lasted in Bengal? Why did he not last in Delhi? And how did he get to wherever he died?