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Not exactly, one of my contacts in Samastipur had the same doomsday predictions for phase-1, & he is pro-BJP. According to him NiKu has a lot of goodwill for him which is working very well for the JDU & in some cases, the Congress too!

Mohan Bhagwats statements have united the OBCs & even some MBCs towards the MGB, the next one will also have the same effect.
UC consolidation towards BJP is visible, & so is the anti-UC towards MGB. & wherever there is HAM vs JDU/Cong, Mahadalits go towards HAM, but UCs go the other way.

& Patil may not be a good psephologist for you, but I can say for sure that he is good at identifying the trends, Modi is popular, but he has to leverage it more to get more votes for all the NDA parties!

& at the rate the trends are going, BJP will still win don't worry-130 seats.


I don't trust the guy at all, to be honest. Each and every prediction he made has come false and and far of the mark not to mention the comment he made was a complete U turn from the statement he made an hour or so back...Marketing Gimmick...
 
Not exactly, one of my contacts in Samastipur had the same doomsday predictions for phase-1, & he is pro-BJP. According to him NiKu has a lot of goodwill for him which is working very well for the JDU & in some cases, the Congress too!

Mohan Bhagwats statements have united the OBCs & even some MBCs towards the MGB, the next one will also have the same effect.
UC consolidation towards BJP is visible, & so is the anti-UC towards MGB. & wherever there is HAM vs JDU/Cong, Mahadalits go towards HAM, but UCs go the other way.

& Patil may not be a good psephologist for you, but I can say for sure that he is good at identifying the trends, Modi is popular, but he has to leverage it more to get more votes for all the NDA parties!

& at the rate the trends are going, BJP will still win don't worry-130 seats.

Some sources say BJP will do well in the rest of the phases,any idea how truthful that is
 
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Praveen Patill of 5forty3 has become very negative of the BJP's prospects

The Bihar Pendulum Swings Again


Has the pendulum of Bihar election swung against the BJP? If so, why?

Note: This article does not refer to any exit polls and is a summary of voter intelligence based on ground reports.

Every election has a central story which usually gets twisted and tailored by narrative builders and news media as per the ideological sunglasses they wear. For instance, the 2004 national election was all about the severe drought that vast parts of India had faced over the preceding two years, but the media narrative was totally built around the “India Shining” campaign of Advani and how he failed to enthuse the voters. Similarly, 2009 was billed as the NREGA election under the tutelage of Rahul Gandhi as youth icon while in reality it was all a positive vote for the preceding 6-7 years of unprecedented growth due to Vajpayee era economic liberalization.

Of course, 2014 is one of those rare elections when “NaMo wave” became such an overwhelming central theme that even the media could not ignore it. In that vein, Bihar this winter has all the hallmarks of being converted into a “beef election” (sic) by the media narrative in an attempt to show how the Modi wave is waning due to “intolerance” of the Majority Hindu community led by BJP and the larger Sangh Parivaar. Thus some are desperately hoping that somehow BJP loses Bihar so that they can legitimize the “Sahitya-Akademi award returnee’s anger” through democratic franchise of rural heartland.

Already adventurous ‘secular economists’ like Swaminathan Aiyer are clearly integrating their beef romance into Bihar electoral outcomes and more may soon follow suit. This is one of the primary reasons why we need to have independent narratives that can analyze both victories and defeats without being unnecessarily ‘secular’ or robustly ‘leftist’.

Bihar is indeed turning out to be a roller-coaster of an election where the pendulum seems to be swinging from one side to the other with remarkable alacrity. This is our humble attempt to narrate the story of Bihar election as dispassionately as possible.

When the election season began in around June-July this year, the sheer arithmetic of the newly formed Mahagathbandhan was so overwhelming that BJP-NDA was struggling to even put-up a fight, but then that tireless campaigner, Prime Minister Modi, entered the theatre of Bihar in August with his 4 back-to-back rallies which took the lead in setting the agenda for the state. His constant haranguing on the theme of “return of Jungle Raj” created the momentum for BJP in a big way and by late august, NDA which was nowhere in the race came within striking distance of Mahagathbandhan with merely a lag of 3%.

The first big turning point of Bihar election came when Mahagathbandhan held a joint rally of Sonia Gandhi, Nitish Kumar and Lalu Prasad Yadav which was turned into a giant display of militant Yadav political comeback by Lalu and RJD (who addressed the rally at the very end in an attempt to show that he was the big boss of the alliance). This was a moment of realization that woke up all other marginalized castes like MBCs and Mahadalits into believing Modi’s message of a return of “Jungle Raj”. Two days after the Patna rally, Modi addressed a mammoth crowd in Bhagalpur which saw unprecedented attendance even by Modi-rally standards. Local media went berserk in reportage of how Modi had managed to only grow popular than what he was in the summer of 2014.



Over the next few weeks, BJP-NDA simply grew from strength to strength as there began a massive consolidation of non-Yadav and non-Muslim votes in favour of the saffron alliance against the return of the Yadav Jungle Raj. Amit Shah, BJP party president, also managed to sort out the crucial seat-sharing deal with its restive NDA allies causing as little damage as possible. Indeed by late September it was amply clear that NDA was running ahead of the race. Our own last pre-poll survey showed that the pendulum had swung in favour of NDA with nearly 4 percentage point lead. This is when there was a twist in the central story of Bihar probably for one final time.

The first phase of Bihar election was made up of 49 seats spread across 10 districts of south-east Bihar which is known in Bihar political circles as “Nitish territory”. It was here that JDU had won 29 of the seats in 2010. It was here that JDU in the company of RJD and Congress together had a whopping lead of 34% in 2010 (although JDU was then in alliance with BJP) and nearly 9% even in the Modi-wave election of 2014. Thus, even as per our pre-poll survey the newly formed UPA+ alliance was supposed to do well in these 49 seats.

As polling began on Monday, we at 5forty3 also began to monitor voter behavior by deploying our data-political tools on the ground. Although no sampling tools are 100% accurate, we have found that some of these statistical findings on actual polling days have the ability to gauge trends with reasonable clarity of nearly 90% accuracy. What we were able to observe on the 12th were spread across three levels;

– In terms of raw numbers, UPA+ was definitely ahead by about 2 percentage points over NDA. This did not come as a surprise at all, in fact, if anything, the lead of UPA+ over NDA had only seemingly declined from the last two elections and the saffron alliance was actually doing better than previous elections. But once these raw numbers were extrapolated to derive weighted averages based on caste-social matrix and the age-specific demographics, UPA’s lead more than doubled to 5%. This was the first worrying sign for NDA because it meant that UPA had not suffered any voter attrition and that all the constituent parties were holding on to their respective votes. Even more worryingly, NDA led by BJP had actually lost a small fraction of vote (about 1%) from its 2014 share despite having visibly added Jitan Ram Manjhi as the addendum to enlarge their social base

– For one of our most reliable tools to gauge general trends of an election, we usually measure ‘Swing Polling Booths’ as an important metric to understand voter behavior in an electoral scenario. Thus out of the 80 polling station areas that we were monitoring on Monday, 31 were specially chosen Swing Polling Booth locations. Of these 31, UPA+ led in 22 while NDA was able to manage lead positions in only 9. To give a comparative analysis, during the 2014 LS polls, BJP would routinely carry 3/4th of all Swing Polling Booths on voting days in the heartland which generally enabled us to be confident about the saffron performance. The past accuracy of this tool in predicting overall electoral patterns of a particular geography has been nearly 9.3 out of every 10 elections!

– The third and possibly the most worrying factor for NDA was the quality of “vote-share” that UPA+ was able to muster on the first day of polling. What was clearly visible was something like this – among OBC as well as MBC voters, JDU-RJD alliance was the clear first choice whereas BJP was a distant second choice while NDA allies were the last choice.
Among Mahadalit voters, BJP-HAM were the first choice followed by JDU as a close second choice and then came the rest as a distant third.
Among Upper Caste voters, BJP was a clear first choice but even JDU got some traction at low levels, especially were BJP was not an opponent.
What such a vote pattern means is that the JDU alliance had a clear social advantage in the biggest chunk of 51% of votes belonging to OBCs and MBCs while BJP-NDA only enjoyed a marginal advantage in their own vote-base of 33%
(Upper Castes & Dalits).

Although all these three findings were limited only to the first phase of the election and the remaining 4 phases may vary from these mean averages what one must bear in mind is the fact that alarm bells are ringing for the NDA. Firstly the trend has become apparent, because usually within a state even with sub-regional variations, general trends remain more-or-less intact with varying degrees of strength. Secondly, NDA now does not have the cushion of underperforming in future phases which means that the saffron alliance has to do extremely well in at least 3 of the next 4 phases of Bihar elections.

As election analysts we also need to analyze and understand proper reasons for any demographic trends. If the pendulum of Bihar election has actually swung (to whatever degree) on day 1, it is obligatory on our part to explain them with cold logic.

The primary reason for NDA’s underperformance on day one of Bihar seems to have come from that ill-timed statement of Mohan Bhagwat on “Reservations”.
Here we must concede that we grossly underestimated the ability of RJD-JDU strategists and planners in creating hara-kiri around this issue by tapping an undercurrent of distrust.

What will forever remain a mystery is why did the RSS Sarsanghchalak actually make those observations on “Reservations” in a charged election environment of Bihar while the opposition’s main plank was “Mandal v/s Kamandal”. What is no longer a mystery is how RJD-JDU tapped the issue brilliantly. Just 48 hours before polling day, across all villages, many of the backward caste groups began meeting secretly to discuss “rumors” which indicated that if BJP came to power, they are not averse to “tinkering with the reservations because RSS has commanded the party to do so”. Upper Caste youths bragging about how BJP, once in power, would create a more level playing field in “Reservations” did not help matters at all.

In fact, by the day of polling the issue had grown into a wild fire in many districts, so much so that the Prime Minister himself had to intervene to make a statement condemning such rumors. By then it was probably too late. Those MBC and non-Yadav OBC voters who were consolidating behind NDA had suddenly developed enough doubt to alter their voting decisions on polling day.

The second reason for the pendulum swing comes from Nitish Kumar himself. Ever since the Modi campaign had altered Bihar electoral trends in August, one kept wondering as to why Nitish was not counter-campaigning across the state, for he was simply too ensconced in Patna and not travelling to rural Bihar. Then suddenly, in very late September, Nitish hit the campaign trail with a vengeance. It was a great strategy by Prashant Kishore (who probably understands BJP strategies very well and has adequate counter strategic protection) to preserve the most popular Bihari leader only to unleash him at the very last moment in a campaign rush that helped create a late swing in favor of the Mahagathbandhan, especially among women voters who had a sympathetic view about their CM.

The third reason was the sheer timing of the Dadri Beef-Murder incident which was so heavily highlighted by the media that Bihar was massively polarized to such an extent that virtually all Muslims simply came out to vote Nitish to power in order to “survive” under a “Hindu onslaught led by BJP”. Whatever little chance there was of third front and other parties getting even a fraction of Muslim votes totally disappeared after the Dadri event. One has to simply glance at Urdu Newspapers of Bihar like “Inquilab”, “Rashtriye Sahara”, “Qaumi Tanzeem” or “Pindar” to understand how the Dadri event was particularly highlighted by the Urdu press.

It must be noted here that poor and backward Muslims are the primary readers of Urdu Newspapers in Bihar (while the elite Muslims read English & Hindi). These poorer Muslims were also the ones who were not averse to adopt Owaisi or even vote for NDA allies like LJP and HAM, but after Dadri they all turned en mass towards RJD-JDU without any doubt. Also, the timing of Dadri coverage ensured that Muslim voters had extra incentive to turnout in large numbers, purely as a ‘survival instinct’ unlike in 2014 when Muslim voters were mostly disinterested.

In fact, the Dadri event’s timing and the media coverage was so perfect that it left BJP almost completely exposed to massive polarization. Over the last couple of years, BJP has been insured against such communal polarization by counter-polarization (which mainly depends on the degree of enthusiastic backward & Dalit participation), but this time BJP was already exposed due to self-doubts among backwards created by Mohan Ji Bhagwat’s ill-timed “Reservations” comments.

The fourth and final reason is the way BJP mishandled the whole ticket distribution fiasco which has created many deep divisions within the party fold. Bad ticket distribution is an elementary mistake that should have been avoided and one really doesn’t understand what pulls and pressures forced the party managers to make these compromises. Whatever the reasons, this ticket issue has had a direct impact in at least 15-18 seats but has had an indirect impact on party cadre morale in more than 50 seats which showed clearly on first day’s polling.

What all of this means to eventual outcome of Bihar is anybody’s guess, but some broad pointers can now be deducted after the first round of polling;

– JDU is now definitely likely to do much better than anticipated and its worst case scenario now cannot go below 60 seats

– BJP’s best case scenario now is to emerge as the single largest party and cross at least 80 seats to then somehow form the government in the state by leveraging internal differences of the opposition alliance and its own power at the center

RJD has to perform extremely badly to end up winning less than 40 seats, but with a strong MY combo backing it and also a section of other OBCs and MBCs supporting it, such a scenario looks less likely now than a week ago

– Drought is now the single biggest X factor that BJP must depend on to hope that hapless drought victims of those 23 districts with less than 80% mean rainfall would bury all their self-doubts to vote for BJP

– Modi, the tireless campaigner may yet manage to change the whole narrative process of Bihar campaign and bring back development to the center stage to once again alter the electoral course

– Bihar BJP’s umpteen CM aspirants and their internal contradictions may end up hurting BJP further in the coming phases of election


As per some BJP-Sangh insiders, Party President, Amit Bhai Shah, has really staked his entire political career on Bihar elections, so one hopes for his sake that somehow BJP could pull off a difficult victory or at least fulfil the task of emerging clearly as the single largest party in a hung assembly. The amount of media cacophony in case Mahagathbandhan manages to win would be deadly to say the least.

The Bihar Pendulum Swings Again | Swarajya

Not good news for the NDA if the above is true




Nope he was born & brought up in TG(Medak I think), but his ancestors were from Vizianagaram


RSS is BJP ka baap, they are cultural only in name
Pravin Patil is trying to play safe after Delhi debacle. One only has to see yesterday's video of Lalu's rally where he couldn't gather even 50 people to attend. Just goes to show where MGB stands actually.
 
Some sources say BJP will do well in the rest of the phases,any idea how truthful that is

Next 3 phases BJP has to do well and last phase JDU has to do well... IN first phase JDU has to dominate if they want to win. if it goes even closer to 50-50 in first phase, JDU will loose.

Pravin Patil is trying to play safe after Delhi debacle. One only has to see yesterday's video of Lalu's rally where he couldn't gather even 50 people to attend. Just goes to show where MGB stands actually.

Am actually quiet confident of BJP winning, i just want them to win decisively....
 
Next 3 phases BJP has to do well and last phase JDU has to do well... IN first phase JDU has to dominate if they want to win. if it goes even closer to 50-50 in first phase, JDU will loose.



Am actually quiet confident of BJP winning, i just want them to win decisively....
Just want Nitish & Congress to be reduced to single digit. Don't care even if Lalu manages to win half of the seats he is contesting
 
Some sources say BJP will do well in the rest of the phases,any idea how truthful that is
Yep, some of my OTHER highly pro-BJP sources say 30+ is possible which logically seems impossible to me!

If you ask me 20-22 is more probable & it isn't as bad as he claimed.

But you must understand, this is a pollster's nightmare, add to that check the background of both alliances. 2 arch enemies joined to take on a greater enemy! That's why every pollster is being wary & scared! They are all preparing arguments to cover any inconsistencies.

& let me say the BJP vote has DOUBLED since 2010!! This itself is a HUGE achievement which some don't get, also the VS from the LS 2014 has more or less remained constant that when many Yadavs,EBCs & Mahadalits who voted for NDA said that they would go back to their original parties in the assembly.

The BJP vote is constant from the LS 2014, but it has to go up. & Mohan Bhagwat's statements have caused quite the controversy.

& lastly @Echo_419 an angle which a pollster close to praveen patil has mentioned is many people(EBCs & Maha dalits) are scared of Lalu's goondas which is why they are not disclosing the truth of who they supported or voted for That also could be a reason for why many pollsters are not confident of their sample data & the final extrapolation.

& I will say this one more time, NiKu is STILL popular. Especially among Kurmi-Koeri,women,EBCs & Maha dalits & some muslims & UCs.. JDU candidates have the advantage of his goodwill, Sachin Reddy has said that JDU=2*RJD(Seats) after results come out

if MGB wins i want lalu to win more seats than NItish, we,ll see if Nitish becomes CM then :lol:
Won't happen, RJD has more cadre & karyakartas but JDU will get more seats due to the RJD +JDU org. & goodwill towards NiKu.
Too many people who like NiKu hate RJD to vote for it.

& Lalu has already made it clear that no matter what Nitish alone will be the CM if the MGB wins regardless of the final result of each party(election rally+private talks with party leaders)
 
Won't happen, RJD has more cadre & karyakartas but JDU will get more seats due to the RJD +JDU org. & goodwill towards NiKu.
Too many people who like NiKu hate RJD to vote for it.

& Lalu has already made it clear that no matter what Nitish alone will be the CM if the MGB wins regardless of the final result of each party(election rally+private talks with party leaders)


Will RJD voters vote for JDU and vice versa ? i really doubt it... Its like asking BJP voters to vote for congress and vice versa... besides i have heard that RJD-JDU workers communication is weak...
 
Will RJD voters vote for JDU and vice versa ? i really doubt it... Its like asking BJP voters to vote for congress and vice versa... besides i have heard that RJD-JDU workers communication is weak...
RJD voters vote base on caste & religion lines, the caste ones(OBC,EBC,Yadavs) will do what their leader says(Yadavs) or have fallen for the BC vs UC propaganda or MB's reservation comment.(OBCs, EBCs)
Muslims just want to defeat Modi & JDU is secular anyway

Thus all of them can be convinced to vote for JDU, but reluctantly.(Yadavs)

JDU get's votes because of NiKu's goodwill from the people & from Kurmi-Koeris, women,EBCs & Maha-dalits & some muslims & UCs. The bolded ones fear RJD & Lalu's jungle raj!! EBCs can fall in line with the propaganda moving around, but not for women & maha-dalits who have no great reason to vote for Lalu.
EDIT:-UCs anyway will vote for BJP or a NDA ally over Lalu, but they could possibly vote for JDU vs NDA ally

Lalu has transferred his votes to the JDU(or atleast most), but the otherway round seems very tough especially for the EBCs,Maha-dalits & women & some UCs who fear his raj & hate him.
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Yep communication is weak b/w both sides on the ground over booth management & campaigning. I feel that many MGB voters will anyway come out due to the hardwork the leaders of the MGB have put & will know who to vote for, but to win the seat, you need many more extra voters & thus you need the cadre to unite for that & work together to get them our which isn't happening understandably.

But the RJD organisation is doing a good job to ensure a JDU victory, can't say the same for the other way round.

P.S:- UC groups are supposedly amassing arms & ammunition in case Yadav raj returns, such is their fear of the naxals & of Lalu!!
 
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Not exactly, one of my contacts in Samastipur had the same doomsday predictions for phase-1, & he is pro-BJP. According to him NiKu has a lot of goodwill for him which is working very well for the JDU & in some cases, the Congress too!

Mohan Bhagwats statements have united the OBCs & even some MBCs towards the MGB, the next one will also have the same effect.
UC consolidation towards BJP is visible, & so is the anti-UC towards MGB. & wherever there is HAM vs JDU/Cong, Mahadalits go towards HAM, but UCs go the other way.

& Patil may not be a good psephologist for you, but I can say for sure that he is good at identifying the trends, Modi is popular, but he has to leverage it more to get more votes for all the NDA parties!

& at the rate the trends are going, BJP will still win don't worry-130 seats.

Samastipur .. ? MG was supposed to win at least 8 there.. They are themselves not claiming more than 6. That should tell you how close the fight was.

If BJP+ has to win they have to touch 20 in this phase. And if MGB has to win, they have to cross 35.

Worst case scenario for BJP+ yesterday night was 16. We had completely written off Banka and added 2 from Bhagalpur. From today's estimate : BJP is winning at least 2 in Banka and at least 3 in Bhagalpur.

As I said yesterday, not an excellent phase but not a bad phase either.
 
Samastipur .. ? MG was supposed to win at least 8 there.. They are themselves not claiming more than 6. That should tell you how close the fight was.

If BJP+ has to win they have to touch 20 in this phase. And if MGB has to win, they have to cross 35.

Worst case scenario for BJP+ yesterday night was 16. We had completely written off Banka and added 2 from Bhagalpur. From today's estimate : BJP is winning at least 2 in Banka and at least 3 in Bhagalpur.

As I said yesterday, not an excellent phase but not a bad phase either.
WHos is they? Can you elaborate

Best case scenario of samastipur from everybody's inputs is 10 for the MGB, worst case is 5(if there is a MASSIVE Modi wave, MASSIVE)

5 in samastipur= 2/3rd+majority in Bihar

I am giving 8-9 to the MGB here due to this being a stronghold+socialism factor(karpori thakur)

I would Give 2 to Bhagalpur, the Congi guy there took many UC votes , he can win.

You are right regarding banka & please read my new posts too.

I have given the BJP 20-22 in phase 1

@Sta
 
RJD voters vote base on caste & religion lines, the caste ones(OBC,EBC,Yadavs) will do what their leader says(Yadavs) or have fallen for the BC vs UC propaganda or MB's reservation comment.(OBCs, EBCs)
Muslims just want to defeat Modi & JDU is secular anyway

Thus all of them can be convinced to vote for JDU, but reluctantly.(Yadavs)

JDU get's votes because of NiKu's goodwill from the people & from Kurmi-Koeris, women,EBCs & Maha-dalits. The last 3 fear RJD & Lalu's jungle raj!! EBCs can fall in line with the propaganda moving around, but not for women & maha-dalits who have no great reason to vote for Lalu.

Lalu has transferred his votes to the JDU(or atleast most), but the otherway round seems very tough especially for the EBCs,Maha-dalits & women & some UCs who fear his raj.
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Yep communication is weak b/w both sides on the ground over booth management & campaigning. I feel that many MGB voters will anyway come out due to the hardwork the leaders of the MGB have put & will know who to vote for, but to win the seat, you need many extra voters & thus you need the cadre to unite which isn't happening understandably.

But the RJD organisation is doing a good job to ensure a JDU victory, can't say the same for the other way round.

This Nitish is popular among women is another urban legend ( or, rural legend ? :D ).. In rural areas, family votes for single party. Nitish was getting women's votes in Bihar because he was laso getting votes of that woman's husband/son.

In odd places, Bhumihars and Rajputs have voted for MGB. Likewise some Yadavs ahve voted for BJP+. Consolidation of Yadavs against BJP+ is largely existing. Pappu Yadav has made some dents but its effect is not yet clear. So Game is On boss.

And Yes, Bhagwat should shut the f**k up. Most of the RSS Shakhas in Bihar will fold if BJP looses. People are joing RSS because of Modi not because of him.

WHos is they? Can you elaborate

Best case scenario of samastipur from everybody's inputs is 10 for the MGB, worst case is 5(if there is a MASSIVE Modi wave, MASSIVE)

5 in samastipur= 2/3rd+majority in Bihar

I am giving 8-9 to the MGB here due to this being a stronghold+socialism factor(karpori thakur)

I would Give 2 to Bhagalpur, the Congi guy there took many UC votes , he can win.

You are right regarding banka & please read my new posts too.

I have given the BJP 20-22 in phase 1

@Sta

MGB leaders. Nitish's close man from Banka. He was very sober last night and talked a lot. Yadavs are voting for JDU+Congress, Congress suporters and Kurmis are not so solidly voting for RJD.

If BJP touches 20, then majority pakka. I have counted 15 (16-1 to be safe ). Even that leaves MGB 2-3 seats behind their target.
 
MGB leaders. Nitish's close man from Banka. He was very sober last night and talked a lot. Yadavs are voting for JDU+Congress, Congress suporters and Kurmis are not so solidly voting for RJD.

If BJP touches 20, then majority pakka. I have counted 15 (16-1 to be safe ). Even that leaves MGB 2-3 seats behind their target.


How true is this ?
 
Tough fight thi... Haar bhi sakta hai. Infact chance jyada haarne ka hi hai.

you mean Vijay Choudri or NDA ?

BTW, what is the voter turn out, as compared to last election ? Higher turn out could mean Anti incumbency

And Yes, Bhagwat should shut the f**k up. Most of the RSS Shakhas in Bihar will fold if BJP looses. People are joing RSS because of Modi not because of him.
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He won't, If Modi wins in Bihar then he will be more powerful than anyone in RSS has ever been till date. The guy does not like Modi one bit....

Bihar polls: RJD workers thrash woman, her son for voting for BJP - News18.com



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