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[jaatram]

To curb child trafficking Maharashtra's Women and Child Welfare Department wants dna test of female beggars carrying babies.

Women and Child Welfare Department wants DNA test of female beggars carrying babies - IBNLive

 

[Bitter Melon]

I bet the latest series of actions caught them by surprise even Cong were afraid to do much though they openly disgruntled with FF funding IAC

Yeah, they did not expect this govt to act in this manner at all. The American Embassy School tax fraud issue was not pursued by Modi the way we expected to, perhaps leading to a sense of business as usual.

Anyway, you need to be cautious of financial giants such as GS And Citi, they can do serious damage to the currency by speculation. Anyway, some interesting games going on if US has her panti*s in a bunch.

Given the price of oil and our comfortable reserve currency ratio, there is not much they can do to us. Apart from oil and gold, we hardly dependent on any other capital goods import.

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[Nityam]

Given the price of oil and our comfortable reserve currency ratio, there is not much they can do to us. Apart from oil and gold, we hardly dependent on any other capital goods import.

Oil is cheap due to the US decision to make it cheap, as a punishment to Russia.

Second we import electronics components. Without that, we would have no electronic component industry, defence or otherwise.

To curb child trafficking Maharashtra's Women and Child Welfare Department wants dna test of female beggars carrying babies.

Women and Child Welfare Department wants DNA test of female beggars carrying babies - IBNLive

Instead of putting an end to Begging, we are conducting DNA tests on them

How about some Jail time and Hard labour for healthy men and women who beg ?

 

[Bitter Melon]

Oil is cheap due to the US decision to make it cheap, as a punishment to Russia.

Second we import electronics components. Without that, we would have no electronic component industry, defence or otherwise.

It is a catch-22 for US though, is it not. Let oil price rise and Russia benefits. Keep it low, India is invincible.

While we do import electronic components, it does not form a substantial portion of our import bill. Which means we have comfortable reserve currency pool to offset any sanctions or manipulations US financial players can deal us.

How about some Jail time and Hard labour for healthy men and women who beg

Not unless India is ready to convert expensive real estates into huge prison for profit systems. No where in the world people are imprisoned for panhandling and it should not be so in India either.

There used to be these beggar homes where beggars were routinely rounded up and kept and imparted skills. The only news from these places used to be the daring escapes of beggars from these institutions.

 

[Roybot]

Harsimrat Kaur answering Rahul Baba's question about food park in amethi. Rahul Baba laid the foundation stone knowing very well that no land has been allotted for it.

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She's pretty impressive, and here I thought she was just a face like Rabdi Devi

 

[jaatram]

She's pretty impressive, and here I thought she was just a face like Rabdi Devi

yea she is impressive ..... Badal's have their short comings but they are feisty fighters.

 

[Nityam]

It is a catch-22 for US though, is it not. Let oil price rise and Russia benefits. Keep it low, India is invincible.

While we do import electronic components, it does not form a substantial portion of our import bill. Which means we have comfortable reserve currency pool to offset any sanctions or manipulations US financial players can deal us..

After Crude, it is the second most important thing we import. Its not about the cost. Almost ALL our electronics goods are imported. All critical chemicals for drugs and goods are imported. We do not have a National chemical policy nor an National Electronic policy.

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Not unless India is ready to convert expensive real estates into huge prison for profit systems. No where in the world people are imprisoned for panhandling and it should not be so in India either.

There used to be these beggar homes where beggars were routinely rounded up and kept and imparted skills. The only news from these places used to be the daring escapes of beggars from these institutions.

Its not about real estate, unless we can guarantee food for all, we have no moral or ethical right to ban begging.

Unless we guarantee housing for all, we cannot arrest people for sleeping on the foot path.

We need to convert India into a land of opportunity, rather than a land of frustrated people.

 

[Bitter Melon]

After Crude, it is the second most important thing we import. Its not about the cost. Almost ALL our electronics goods are imported. All critical chemicals for drugs and goods are imported. We do not have a National chemical policy nor an National Electronic policy.

This is just recent in the last few years when we put curbs on gold import by taxing it higher. Otherwise, gold was the second most substantial thing we imported. We are going for Make in India policy, no? So any attempt at restrictions in importing these will result in an accelerated investment in producing these things within the country. Note the second most important thing in the pie chart is "others", which is luxury and nonessential items which could very well be sourced from within the country.

Its not about real estate, unless we can guarantee food for all, we have no moral or ethical right to ban begging.

Unless we guarantee housing for all, we cannot arrest people for sleeping on the foot path.

We need to convert India into a land of opportunity, rather than a land of frustrated people.

We cannot guarantee housing for all or food for all. Life does not come with guarantees. What one can do is create ample opportunities for those willing to work so that they can access these things for themselves.

You were the one who suggested jailing people who beg before going off on the other side claiming moral high ground.

A lot of people begging are out there due to poor choices they made in their lives.

 

[Nityam]

This is just recent in the last few years when we put curbs on gold import by taxing it higher. Otherwise, gold was the second most substantial thing we imported. We are going for Make in India policy, no? So any attempt at restrictions in importing these will result in an accelerated investment in producing these things within the country. Note the second most important thing in the pie chart is "others", which is luxury and nonessential items which could very well be sourced from within the country.

We still import gold, only now its smuggling because of higher taxes.

It is foolish to think that a ban on imports accelerate manufactures of similar goods in India. We do not have the know how, nor the equipments to do so. India has no FAB to produce semiconductor devices on large scale for commercial use. As I said, we still lack a National electronics Policy.

We cannot guarantee housing for all or food for all. Life does not come with guarantees. What one can do is create ample opportunities for those willing to work so that they can access these things for themselves.

You were the one who suggested jailing people who beg before going off on the other side claiming moral high ground.

A lot of people begging are out there due to poor choices they made in their lives.

Life may not come with guarantees, but great civilizations and Nations provide them to its citizens. That is the difference between living in a Jungle and living in civilized times. You are not required to agree, just understand.

I don't care for morality in pdf. I am talking about practical solutions to real life problems. People beg because they suffer from depression or lack of hope. They loose the will to live with dignity or do not even think it is possible. (unless one does it for religious reasons like Sanyas).

We don't have choices, only illusions of choices. Most of the choices people make are just accidents of circumstances.

Its not enough to train people, you have to give them hope that their training is of some value and it can give them dignity. That is where a prison like structure helps them. Let them out if they provide a self guarantee that they will not beg. Introduce a 3 strike policy.

 

[jaatram]

 

[Nityam]

Indian needs to reduce its cost of producing Power further to make it affordable. We still produce cheap power, it it is still unproductive and expensive considering our purchasing power.

However THIS is the real problem.

We need to produce Power at half the cost to make it affordable to the public. Think Canada from the above picture, maybe even China.

 

[Bitter Melon]

We still import gold, only now its smuggling because of higher taxes.

It is foolish to think that a ban on imports accelerate manufactures of similar goods in India. We do not have the know how, nor the equipments to do so. India has no FAB to produce semiconductor devices on large scale for commercial use. As I said, we still lack a National electronics Policy.

We cannot guarantee housing for all or food for all. Life does not come with guarantees. What one can do is create ample opportunities for those willing to work so that they can access these things for themselves.

How does smuggling gold impact our currency strength and how does it give leverage to Citi or GS to manipulate us?

First of all no one can ban import of chemicals or semiconductors to India. India is far far away from being the next North Korea and even North Korea manages to develop the utilities it needs even in the self imposed isolation it suffers. Next, we were talking about our currency reserves and strength and these imports form just 6-7% of our overall imports.

Life may not come with guarantees, but great civilizations and Nations provide them to its citizens. That is the difference between living in a Jungle and living in civilized times. You are not required to agree, just understand.

Sorry, your understanding of great civilizations looks like a replica of communism. There is homelessness in all countries of the world. The perfection you seem to dream off has never been achieved.

I don't care for morality in pdf. I am talking about practical solutions to real life problems. People beg because they suffer from depression or lack of hope. They loose the will to live with dignity or do not even think it is possible. (unless one does it for religious reasons like Sanyas).

That is not true. Lot of people beg because they had no dignity in the first place which is why they made those poor choices which led them down that path. A teenager getting into drugs or alcoholism is not doing so because of lack of hope or depression. He may do it to fit in with his peer group or for style or recklessness. Likewise many many people do the same.

We don't have choices, only illusions of choices. Most of the choices people make are just accidents of circumstances.

Its not enough to train people, you have to give them hope that their training is of some value and it can give them dignity. That is where a prison like structure helps them. Let them out if they provide a self guarantee that they will not beg. Introduce a 3 strike policy.

Given the same choices or illusion of choices, different people end up with different result. So your statement is true only to a limited extent.

You cannot give hope by imprisoning people. That is insane. All training has some value, depends on the will of the utilizer. That is something no one can induce.

First of all handle your contradictions. First you say you cannot arrest people for sleeping on the street if you cannot provide housing. Then you say imprison them and let them out only if they guarantee to not beg. Both the conditions can never been fulfilled ever in any society for all.

It is such a shame. For the last 2 weeks we were suffering 8-9 hour power cuts in Bangalore of all places because of disruption in power supply from one power station in Udupi. The congress govt in state seems least concerned.

 

[jaatram]

WTF is going on down south?

PS: Amma gets jail

 

[Bitter Melon]

WTF is going on down south?

PS: Amma gets jail

LOL. They are just being their usual ridiculous self. Love it. What would life be without these morons around.

 

[Nityam]

How does smuggling gold impact our currency strength and how does it give leverage to Citi or GS to manipulate us?

It impacts our currency reserve since gold is purchased in USD. It also weakens the Rupee and results in corresponding inflation. The strength of the impact is relative to the gold smuggled, Thankfully its been small so far.

First of all no one can ban import of chemicals or semiconductors to India. India is far far away from being the next North Korea and even North Korea manages to develop the utilities it needs even in the self imposed isolation it suffers. Next, we were talking about our currency reserves and strength and these imports form just 6-7% of our overall imports.

We test another Nuke and we are back in the ban list. NK is dying.

Most of our electronics and Chemical import is from China. So that is leverage to china and a weakness to India. When they squeeze, we dance.

Sorry, your understanding of great civilizations looks like a replica of communism. There is homelessness in all countries of the world. The perfection you seem to dream off has never been achieved.

Civilization is all about protecting the weak. That means more than women and children. The stronger the civilization grows, the larger it mandate becomes. India is one of the oldest civilizations in the world, so our mandate is deeper than communism.

That is not true. Lot of people beg because they had no dignity in the first place which is why they made those poor choices which led them down that path. A teenager getting into drugs or alcoholism is not doing so because of lack of hope or depression. He may do it to fit in with his peer group or for style or recklessness. Likewise many many people do the same.

"Dignity" is the innate sense of "Value" (worth) and expectation that one is paid that value.

When your environment do not install that value/self worth in you then 'dignity' is meaningless to them. When society does not value you or your worth, then life without dignity is the only choice people have.

Drug is escapism, poverty is reality. Both are worlds apart.

Given the same choices or illusion of choices, different people end up with different result. So your statement is true only to a limited extent.

Depends on their own self worth, their faith in the world around them (courage), Hope (past experience) etc. All of which comes from accident of birth.

You cannot give hope by imprisoning people. That is insane. All training has some value, depends on the will of the utilizer. That is something no one can induce.

Not true. For those without hope, even prison represents some hope. Stability, shelter, daily meal. That is why many convicts wish to go back to prison even when released. They find security in Prison, rather than outside it.

First of all handle your contradictions. First you say you cannot arrest people for sleeping on the street if you cannot provide housing. Then you say imprison them and let them out only if they guarantee to not beg. Both the conditions can never been fulfilled ever in any society for all.

Life is full of contradictions, there is not escaping that. Nor is it possible to handle all of it.

Those sleeping on the streets are not necessarily beggars. Most are daily wage workers, street vendors etc.

PS: Better take this debate elsewhere, its not relevant to the thread.