‘Indian plots against CPEC part of strategy to contain China’

[topgun047]

To contain someone you have to be stronger than them first.

 

[airuah]

arrre!!!!!!! the only reason that India is against the CPEC is to save Pakistani's from ending up as toll booth operators who operate toll booths only to repay loans that was got to construct the roads in the first place.

1) you guys get the entire CPEC on loan
2)its gonna be constructed with chinese materials procured from china
3) it is gonna be constructed on chinese loan
4)chinese labour is gonna be used

so basically,
=>the money for construction materials and labour goes back to China
=> the profit of construction goes back to China as its built by a Chinese company

all you will be left with is
1) a heavy loan that you will pay with interest to China by collecting money from Pakistani's at "Toll booths".
2) A road ---that is gonna be mostly used by China for its own needs.
3) since the road is open, your markets will flood with cheep Chinese goods that will destroy your local market and will make you totally dependant on the Chinese

 

[Stag112]

Another Pakistani clown who think world revolve around his fantasy , the intellectual level of Pakistani diplomat & strategic planners is a case study in itself @Stag112

I have to completely agree. All they need for credibility in their country is

Victimhood complex
Bombastic language
Badmouthing hinduuusss

And you have become an intellectual. If you can come up with conspiracy theories or your own facts like fake wikileaks or Saudi royal family ot Indian Dalit sources and reporters like christina palmer, then you also get to go on TV.

 

[Echo_419]

‘Indian plots against CPEC part of strategy to contain China’
BAQIR SAJJAD SYED — UPDATED ABOUT 2 HOURS AGO

QUETTA: Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan Sun Weidong addressing a gathering organised by the Balochistan Economic Forum here on Thursday.—INP
ISLAMABAD: Mohammad Sadiq, Secretary of the National Security Division, said on Thursday that Indian plots against the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) were part of its broader strategy to contain China.

The corridor which connects Gwadar at Arabian Sea with Xinjiang (China) “is seen as a counter strategy of China to address threats at Malacca; hence activities to sabotage this project and Indian interference in Balochistan,” Mr Sadiq said. He was speaking at a seminar on “Emerging Geo-Strategic Landscape in South-West Asia and the Asia Pacific” organised by an Islamabad-based think tank, Strategic Vision Institute (SVI), in collaboration with German Foundation Konrad Adenauer Stiftung. He said Pakistan needed to be very careful about the implementation of the $46 billion CPEC which included energy, transportation and infrastructure projects.

Also read: CPEC will help end unemployment in Balochistan, says Chinese envoy

India has been vocal in its opposition to the project and protested to China over it. The CPEC counterbalances the Indian plans for exploiting Chinese weakness in the Indian Ocean by blocking Malacca Strait in times of conflict.

“Indian strategic thinkers have proposed strengthening of naval capabilities to fight pressures by China on its north. This thinking aims at denying China free waters through the Strait of Malacca to soften China’s stance on China-India border,” Mr Sadiq said.

Security, therefore, has been a major concern for the project and the military, soon after its inauguration during President Xi Jinping’s visit to Islamabad, announced the establishment of a 10,000-strong special force for protecting the projects to be carried out under the CPEC and the Chinese workers associated with them.

The Frontier Works Organisation, which is constructing a 870km road network in Balochistan as part of the CPEC’s western route, has lost 25 of its workers – both military personnel and civilians – in about 200 incidents since the start of work on the road. The statistics underscore the security challenges to the project.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had earlier this week directed the interior ministry to further beef up security for the Chinese workers associated with the corridor projects.

Baloch separatists have been waging insurgency in Balochistan for the past many years, which the government also blames on India.

HINDU FUNDAMENTALISM: Mr Sadiq said the perpetually tense India-Pakistan relations became complicated particularly after Narendra Modi became the prime minister and the influence of Hindu fundamentalists began to creep into power corridors. Not only the bilateral dialogue has remained suspended but Indian attitude towards Pakistan has been marked by belligerence and aggression.

“The Hindu chauvinistic posture of Modi and his cabinet essentially caters to the sensitivities of their ideological fountainheads such as RSS and VHP. These militant groups in fact control the government’s actions,” he said. “India’s intransigence on Jammu and Kashmir dispute continues as it propagates its Hindutva agenda. This agenda now openly threatens millions of Muslims, Christians and other members of minority communities,” he said.

Mr Sadiq regretted that the West, which considered itself champion of human rights and denounced all forms of extremism, had turned a blind eye to the rise of Hindu extremism.

“Organisations such as VHP collect funds in the West which are possibly used for promoting and inciting violence against minorities in India,” he said. And at the same time, he added, the West had been helping India build its conventional and non-conventional capabilities against Pakistan and was artificially propping it (India) up against China.

Former foreign secretary Shamshad Khan criticised the preferential treatment being given to India by the West, particularly the US. “If the turbulent political history of this region had any lessons, world powers’ engagement in this region should have been aimed at promoting strategic balance rather than disturbing it,” he said.

“Any measure that contributes to lowering of nuclear threshold and fuelling of an unnecessary arms race between the two nuclear armed neighbours are no service to the people of this region.”

He called for mutual restraint for nuclear and conventional stabilisation in the region.

Strategic Vision Institute President Dr Zafar Iqbal Cheema observed that regional security paradigm was being manipulated in a manner that would maximise India’s security at the cost of Pakistan. He rejected the proposals floated by western think tanks for Pakistan’s nuclear mainstreaming and advised the government against falling for the inducements being offered.

Dr Cheema warned that the breakdown of India-Pakistan peace process would negatively impact the strategic stability order of the region.

FO BRIEFING: Foreign Office spokesman Qazi Khalilullah said Pakistan was concerned at the recent rise of extremism in India. “We expect the international community to take note of it,” he said at a weekly media briefing. “We have been expressing our serious concern over the manifestations of extremism and Hindu fundamentalism in India as well as over terrorist activities of Indian extremist organisations,” he said.



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Published in Dawn, November 6th, 2015

Sure why not

 

[Muhammad Omar]

arrre!!!!!!! the only reason that India is against the CPEC is to save Pakistani's from ending up as toll booth operators who operate toll booths only to repay loans that was got to construct the roads in the first place.

1) you guys get the entire CPEC on loan
2)its gonna be constructed with chinese materials procured from china
3) it is gonna be constructed on chinese loan
4)chinese labour is gonna be used

so basically,
=>the money for construction materials and labour goes back to China
=> the profit of construction goes back to China as its built by a Chinese company

all you will be left with is
1) a heavy loan that you will pay with interest to China by collecting money from Pakistani's at "Toll booths".
2) A road ---that is gonna be mostly used by China for its own needs.
3) since the road is open, your markets will flood with cheep Chinese goods that will destroy your local market and will make you totally dependant on the Chinese

Oh man i laughed so hard on this I knew Some Indian just bark nonsense to troll Pakistan but you gone deep down in it
these are Pakistani Labors working on Sahiwal Coal power project in 2nd Pic you can see Chinese same goes for many other projects to... Pakistani and Chinese both are working together weather it's labor or Engineers i can even provide pics for that

It's not a Loan But BOT( Built Operate Transfer) they will built it keep it earn money and then transfer it to Pakistan

There are many projects going on they They bring Bricks Steel and cement for that from China Idiot... where is logistic support for that The Construction Material came from Pakistan not China Dumb

If Chinese Stuff is so Cheap and worst quality why India Import stuff from China Cost $58.4 Billion

 

[I S I]

Really... you are going to use this as an argument.... Project 706 had very limited moving parts and us totally controlled by Army.... now compare it to CPEC... Hundreds of departments... Hundreds of contractors.. Millions of Government officials.. thousands opportunities of corruption...

Read this : China's Billion-Dollar Gateway To The Subcontinent: Pakistan May Be Opening A Door It Cannot Close

Haha lol. I hear indians blabbers day & night that Pakistan is controlled by army & now when the argument changes, you're saying army doesn't own this project? FWO-Frontier Works Organisation is part of Army & they're making thousand of KM roads network which is part of CPEC.

Now go cry in a corner.

 

[AugenBlick]

‘Indian plots against CPEC part of strategy to contain China’
BAQIR SAJJAD SYED — UPDATED ABOUT 2 HOURS AGO

QUETTA: Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan Sun Weidong addressing a gathering organised by the Balochistan Economic Forum here on Thursday.—INP
ISLAMABAD: Mohammad Sadiq, Secretary of the National Security Division, said on Thursday that Indian plots against the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) were part of its broader strategy to contain China.

The corridor which connects Gwadar at Arabian Sea with Xinjiang (China) “is seen as a counter strategy of China to address threats at Malacca; hence activities to sabotage this project and Indian interference in Balochistan,” Mr Sadiq said. He was speaking at a seminar on “Emerging Geo-Strategic Landscape in South-West Asia and the Asia Pacific” organised by an Islamabad-based think tank, Strategic Vision Institute (SVI), in collaboration with German Foundation Konrad Adenauer Stiftung. He said Pakistan needed to be very careful about the implementation of the $46 billion CPEC which included energy, transportation and infrastructure projects.

Also read: CPEC will help end unemployment in Balochistan, says Chinese envoy

India has been vocal in its opposition to the project and protested to China over it. The CPEC counterbalances the Indian plans for exploiting Chinese weakness in the Indian Ocean by blocking Malacca Strait in times of conflict.

“Indian strategic thinkers have proposed strengthening of naval capabilities to fight pressures by China on its north. This thinking aims at denying China free waters through the Strait of Malacca to soften China’s stance on China-India border,” Mr Sadiq said.

Security, therefore, has been a major concern for the project and the military, soon after its inauguration during President Xi Jinping’s visit to Islamabad, announced the establishment of a 10,000-strong special force for protecting the projects to be carried out under the CPEC and the Chinese workers associated with them.

The Frontier Works Organisation, which is constructing a 870km road network in Balochistan as part of the CPEC’s western route, has lost 25 of its workers – both military personnel and civilians – in about 200 incidents since the start of work on the road. The statistics underscore the security challenges to the project.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had earlier this week directed the interior ministry to further beef up security for the Chinese workers associated with the corridor projects.

Baloch separatists have been waging insurgency in Balochistan for the past many years, which the government also blames on India.

HINDU FUNDAMENTALISM: Mr Sadiq said the perpetually tense India-Pakistan relations became complicated particularly after Narendra Modi became the prime minister and the influence of Hindu fundamentalists began to creep into power corridors. Not only the bilateral dialogue has remained suspended but Indian attitude towards Pakistan has been marked by belligerence and aggression.

“The Hindu chauvinistic posture of Modi and his cabinet essentially caters to the sensitivities of their ideological fountainheads such as RSS and VHP. These militant groups in fact control the government’s actions,” he said. “India’s intransigence on Jammu and Kashmir dispute continues as it propagates its Hindutva agenda. This agenda now openly threatens millions of Muslims, Christians and other members of minority communities,” he said.

Mr Sadiq regretted that the West, which considered itself champion of human rights and denounced all forms of extremism, had turned a blind eye to the rise of Hindu extremism.

“Organisations such as VHP collect funds in the West which are possibly used for promoting and inciting violence against minorities in India,” he said. And at the same time, he added, the West had been helping India build its conventional and non-conventional capabilities against Pakistan and was artificially propping it (India) up against China.

Former foreign secretary Shamshad Khan criticised the preferential treatment being given to India by the West, particularly the US. “If the turbulent political history of this region had any lessons, world powers’ engagement in this region should have been aimed at promoting strategic balance rather than disturbing it,” he said.

“Any measure that contributes to lowering of nuclear threshold and fuelling of an unnecessary arms race between the two nuclear armed neighbours are no service to the people of this region.”

He called for mutual restraint for nuclear and conventional stabilisation in the region.

Strategic Vision Institute President Dr Zafar Iqbal Cheema observed that regional security paradigm was being manipulated in a manner that would maximise India’s security at the cost of Pakistan. He rejected the proposals floated by western think tanks for Pakistan’s nuclear mainstreaming and advised the government against falling for the inducements being offered.

Dr Cheema warned that the breakdown of India-Pakistan peace process would negatively impact the strategic stability order of the region.

FO BRIEFING: Foreign Office spokesman Qazi Khalilullah said Pakistan was concerned at the recent rise of extremism in India. “We expect the international community to take note of it,” he said at a weekly media briefing. “We have been expressing our serious concern over the manifestations of extremism and Hindu fundamentalism in India as well as over terrorist activities of Indian extremist organisations,” he said.



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Published in Dawn, November 6th, 2015

What's funny is that the news report contains ABSOLUTELY NO QUOTE from the chinese Ambassador .
it's just pakistan putting words in China's mouth.
@Echo_419

 

[Viper0011.]

‘Indian plots against CPEC part of strategy to contain China’
BAQIR SAJJAD SYED — UPDATED ABOUT 2 HOURS AGO
QUETTA: Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan Sun Weidong addressing a gathering organised by the Balochistan Economic Forum here on Thursday.—INP
ISLAMABAD: Mohammad Sadiq, Secretary of the National Security Division, said on Thursday that Indian plots against the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) were part of its broader strategy to contain China.

India needs to realize, both Pakistan and China will give whatever blood they have to, due to terrorist attacks from India, to get this project to go live. Another thing is, CPEC with regards to Pakistan, is a guaranteed income in supporting the Western China with 350+ million population. So Pakistani ports will be catering goods and services for 1.5 more Pakistan (Chinese population of 350 million the CPEC will support), but without having to care for such a large population.

So from a trade's stand point, Pakistan's population (theoretically) grows from 220 Million (+ add 350 million Chinese being supported), to 570 million that Pakistan's infrastructure will support the trade for. The beauty is, the 350 million Chinese are the Chinese government's responsibility and Pakistan doesn't have to provide even a dollar for their welfare. All the money goes to helping the 220 million existing Pakistanis. This is a no brainer and has dozens of billions of dollar in profitability every year, plus opening up new businesses, cities that will be developed along the way, real estate prices that will go up, new hotels, gas stations, stores, construction work like bridges in these new towns, streets, electric plants, parks, universities, healthcare and hospitals, etc, etc. This entire project will consume a LOT of Pakistani labor that goes out to other places today. And it will setup a backbone of the future economy, all supported by internal and Chinese consumer. Awesome project with insanely high benefits for Pakistan !!!!

 

[Echo_419]

What's funny is that the news report contains ABSOLUTELY NO QUOTE from the chinese Ambassador .
it's just pakistan putting words in China's mouth.
@Echo_419

Typical South Asians,using foreigners to give their words some legitimacy

India needs to realize, both Pakistan and China will give whatever blood they have to, due to terrorist attacks from India, to get this project to go live. Another thing is, CPEC with regards to Pakistan, is a guaranteed income in supporting the Western China with 350+ million population. So Pakistani ports will be catering goods and services for 1.5 more Pakistan (Chinese population of 350 million the CPEC will support), but without having to care for such a large population.

So from a trade's stand point, Pakistan's population (theoretically) grows from 220 Million (+ add 350 million Chinese being supported), to 570 million that Pakistan's infrastructure will support the trade for. The beauty is, the 350 million Chinese are the Chinese government's responsibility and Pakistan doesn't have to provide even a dollar for their welfare. All the money goes to helping the 220 million existing Pakistanis. This is a no brainer and has dozens of billions of dollar in profitability every year, plus opening up new businesses, cities that will be developed along the way, real estate prices that will go up, new hotels, gas stations, stores, construction work like bridges in these new towns, streets, electric plants, parks, universities, healthcare and hospitals, etc, etc. This entire project will consume a LOT of Pakistani labor that goes out to other places today. And it will setup a backbone of the future economy, all supported by internal and Chinese consumer. Awesome project with insanely high benefits for Pakistan !!!!

& you need to understand that we are not interested in harming this transit corridor of yours,hell Modi is even talking about cutting the defense budget

 

[AugenBlick]

India needs to realize, both Pakistan and China will give whatever blood they have to, due to terrorist attacks from India, to get this project to go live. Another thing is, CPEC with regards to Pakistan, is a guaranteed income in supporting the Western China with 350+ million population. So Pakistani ports will be catering goods and services for 1.5 more Pakistan (Chinese population of 350 million the CPEC will support), but without having to care for such a large population.

So from a trade's stand point, Pakistan's population (theoretically) grows from 220 Million (+ add 350 million Chinese being supported), to 570 million that Pakistan's infrastructure will support the trade for. The beauty is, the 350 million Chinese are the Chinese government's responsibility and Pakistan doesn't have to provide even a dollar for their welfare. All the money goes to helping the 220 million existing Pakistanis. This is a no brainer and has dozens of billions of dollar in profitability every year, plus opening up new businesses, cities that will be developed along the way, real estate prices that will go up, new hotels, gas stations, stores, construction work like bridges in these new towns, streets, electric plants, parks, universities, healthcare and hospitals, etc, etc. This entire project will consume a LOT of Pakistani labor that goes out to other places today. And it will setup a backbone of the future economy, all supported by internal and Chinese consumer. Awesome project with insanely high benefits for Pakistan !!!!

What is hilarious is that the 350 million West chinese will enjoy the grater connectivity to Arabian sea and all the benefits that come with it , while pak will take soft loan, pay it back with interest and foot the security and maintenance bill of the so called "corridor".
For the west chinese ...
Free Infra+ Guaranteed dollar dominated returns of 18% ( Principal+Interest + profit ) + greater trade with rich GCC + Greater trade with India (since Guj ports are right there )
For Pak
32,000 soldier salary and other bills + high EMI + maintenance cost of a massive corridor.

Damn the Chinese are shrewd businessmen.

you need to understand that we are not interested in harming this transit corridor of yours,hell Modi is even talking about cutting the defense budget

Harming the corridor would go against our interest ... see my post above.

arrre!!!!!!! the only reason that India is against the CPEC is to save Pakistani's from ending up as toll booth operators who operate toll booths only to repay loans that was got to construct the roads in the first place.

You made my point but more elegantly.

 

[khail007]

I always fail to understand that how jealous are our Indian neighbours of China, Pakistan and their friendship.

Apart from defence, even our development projects are so painful for them that they spill out of proportion as I can see here.

It is their sheer ignorance that on one hand they claim their desire for regional stability and on other hand they feel pain and agony for development projects in Pakistan and other neighbouring countries.

We should understand that we could not influence the world according to our own wishes. As individuals, I believe Indians and Pakistanis could go along, as we can see in ME, Europe and USA. Problems starts when leaderships started to implement specific agendas and policies which they think better for their countries and regions, such policies, in general, always blows back as these are usually against the culture, social values and will of the people of the region.

On one hand the governments claimed to support the democracy and on the other hand their agendas and policies are usually against the norms of it.

In short, indulging in useless discussion with flaming arguments. We can suggest for better projects for each other rather than criticising the one which are already going on. If we take positive approach then there will be a way forward.

 

[Echo_419]

What is hilarious is that the 350 million West chinese will enjoy the grater connectivity to Arabian sea and all the benefits that come with it , while pak will take soft loan, pay it back with interest and foot the security and maintenance bill of the so called "corridor".
For the west chinese ...
Free Infra+ Guaranteed dollar dominated returns of 18% ( Principal+Interest + profit ) + greater trade with rich GCC + Greater trade with India (since Guj ports are right there )
For Pak
32,000 soldier salary and other bills + high EMI + maintenance cost of a massive corridor.

Damn the Chinese are shrewd businessmen.


Harming the corridor would go against our interest ... see my post above.



You made my point but more elegantly.

Arre unkho nahi batana tha

 

[AugenBlick]

Arre unkho nahi batana tha

Abe tu kya samajhta hai ..... Unko sab pehle hi pata hai ..... yeh 18% ka figure maine Nazam Sethi ke program me dekha tha......
They are willing to be China's slaves to " defeat" evil yindoo baniya and Darinder Mudi. Here infront of Indian they will praise it even against factual evidence.

I always fail to understand that how jealous are our Indian neighbours of China, Pakistan and their friendship.

Apart from defence, even our development projects are so painful for them that they spill out of proportion as I can see here.

It is their sheer ignorance that on one hand they claim their desire for regional stability and on other hand they feel pain and agony for development projects in Pakistan and other neighbouring countries.

We should understand that we could not influence the world according to our own wishes. As individuals, I believe Indians and Pakistanis could go along, as we can see in ME, Europe and USA. Problems starts when leaderships started to implement specific agendas and policies which they think better for their countries and regions, such policies, in general, always blows back as these are usually against the culture, social values and will of the people of the region.

On one hand the governments claimed to support the democracy and on the other hand their agendas and policies are usually against the norms of it.

In short, indulging in useless discussion with flaming arguments. We can suggest for better projects for each other rather than criticising the one which are already going on. If we take positive approach then there will be a way forward.

@Echo_419 yeh dekh ... ek aur.....

 

[khail007]

@AugenBlick if you are happy with your attitude from within, keep it up. God bless you.

 

[singh sahab]

बनिये की न दोस्ती भली
ना बनिये का बैर

Poor innocent Pakistani people.

एक बनिया आगे से लोन दे रहा है, और दूसरा certified बनिया पीछे से लिये पड़ा है। बेचारे हब्बुल-वतनी जाएँ तो जाएँ कहाँ