Indian perspective: Iran backstabs India

[hualushui]

We need China for its veto power in the UNSC. It previously failed to block 4 rounds of UNSC resolutions against us. If they fail to veto resolutions against us again, we will reduce our ties with them like what happened in the last 8 years. We do not need China for construction projects. When we were forced to kick them out of Tehran Metro, South Pars and Tehran-North Expressway projects after their long delays, we finally finished all the three projects on our own without foreign assistance. Projects like these are offered to China, India or any other country that is willing to cooperate with us for creating mutual economic interests and attracting foreign investment. If we feel that China or India is using sanctions as an excuse not to deliver their promises, then they will be kicked out like before.

Iran is not the center of the world. We cannot meet Iran’s requirements unconditionally.
Iran wants China to help, you have to pay for it. China can veto proposals to sanction Iran, but how can Iran make up for China’s losses in Saudi Arabia, Israel and other countries?
Chinese companies risked sanctions by the United States and traded with Iran. High risk, high yield. Iranians, don’t complain and see the reality.

 

[El Sidd]

You should ask him that. He's definitely stupid enough to do that. And you're stupid too if you haven't asked this fool for that already.

I don't care if he didn't publicly announce his deals with us.

That is your internal issue.

 

[QWECXZ]

Iran is not the center of the world. We cannot meet Iran’s requirements unconditionally.
Iran wants China to help, you have to pay for it. China can veto proposals to sanction Iran, but how can Iran make up for China’s losses in Saudi Arabia, Israel and other countries?
Chinese companies risked sanctions by the United States and traded with Iran. High risk, high yield. Iranians, don’t complain and see the reality.

You had 4 chances to prove your friendship with Iran at the UN Security Council and you failed all of those chances.

Iran used to be your main energy partner but you guys decided to vote in favor of 4 rounds of UNSC sanctions. Then you switched to Saudis for oil. Our volume of trade during Ahmadinejad's presidency was getting close to 40 billion dollars a year. And Ahmadinejad even once boasted about increasing it to 100 billion dollars by 2020. But you didn't do the only thing you were good for at the UNSC. After that, the Rouhani administration reduced our ties with China to a minimum. We didn't have an ambassador in China for more than a year and Rouhani couldn't care less about that.

Chinese companies saw an opportunity to benefit from a large market and they took it. China was nowhere near it is today back in 2000s. If anything, you should thank Iran for providing you those opportunities at that time. It's never the customer that thanks the provider, but the other way around.

You proved unreliable in large projects that were given to you like Tehran Metro, South Pars Gas Condensate Field and Tehran-North Expressway. We eventually had to stop cooperating with you in all of them due to your delays. You have no one but yourself to blame.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

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Another gem from a very senior and highly educated member of Indian ratshack ^^

Now they want Israelis to handle Iran, lol.

This is hilarious. Thanks for the share.

What a stupid comment....I didn't take India's side, I clearly stated why I understood Iran's decision to drop India from national projects due to India's own inaction. If that translates to "enemy" in your tiny little mind then so be it. I won't waste my time trying to prove why I'm not an enemy of Pakistan lol.

I don't do this often but I will invoke some other members here to speak on my behalf (if they so please) so they can tell you whether or not I'm an "enemy".

@QWECXZ @Dariush the Great @mohammad45 @mangekyo

When dealing with fascism and Islamopjobia, we have to be forthright and decisive. India is an enemy state of Muslims, they are open about it.

Any weakness in supporting Kashmir cause and Indian Muslims' dignity should be viewed just as contemptible as support for Israel against Palestinians.

Be careful about the Indian egging you on as well by liking your comment etc. @PAKISTANFOREVER @Musings @letsrock @masterchief_mirza That little Indian is trying very hard to create problems between Iranians and Pakistanis, although India backstabbed them.

 

[hualushui]

Let's talk about clothes because you brought it up. Turkish clothes are usually like 10%-20% more expensive than Chinese clothes but their quality is much better than the Chinese ones. Hence, most people in Iran prefer to buy Turkish made clothes. China has cheap labor force. If your products can't compete in terms of price and quality, that's your problem. And Turkey isn't a Western country.

Chinese products are sold all over the world, not Turkish products. If Turkish goods are so good, it should be that Turkey is the world's factory.
China can produce products at all price points. If the quality of the goods you bough is poor, you need to consult Iranian merchants
Finally, you said that China’s labor costs are cheap, and I must tell you that China’s GDP per capita is 10k, Turkey’s 8.9k, and Iran’s 5.5k
If you still think the product price is cheap because of cheap labor, I suggest you can buy Indian products in the future

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

This is hilarious. Thanks for the share.



When dealing with fascism and Islamopjobia, we have to be forthright and decisive. India is an enemy state of Muslims, they are open about it.

Any weakness in supporting Kashmir cause and Indian Muslims' dignity should be viewed just as contemptible as support for Israel against Palestinians.

Be careful about the Indian egging you on as well by liking your comment etc. @PAKISTANFOREVER @Musings @letsrock @masterchief_mirza That little Indian is trying very hard to create problems between Iranians and Pakistanis, although India backstabbed them.

indians doing what indians do I guess. You can NEVER change the nature of the beast.

 

[QWECXZ]

Chinese products are sold all over the world, not Turkish products. If Turkish goods are so good, it should be that Turkey is the world's factory.
China can produce products at all price points. If the quality of the goods you bough is poor, you need to consult Iranian merchants
Finally, you said that China’s labor costs are cheap, and I must tell you that China’s GDP per capita is 10k, Turkey’s 8.9k, and Iran’s 5.5k
If you still think the product price is cheap because of cheap labor, I suggest you can buy Indian products in the future

We are satisfied with Turkish clothing products. They look fashionable and have good quality for their low price. Each industry in Iran prefers to buy its products from somewhere. We buy the majority of our medical products from Europe and North America even now that we are under sanctions and are at odds with them while we prefer to import most of our clothing products from Turkey. We import rice from India because their rice is much cheaper than ours, even though many people refuse to buy their rice because they say it is contaminated with Arsenic.

Meanwhile, we produce most things in our own country and our imports from the rest of the world has recently reduced to only 30 billion dollars.

The quality of Chinese products is not something that is criticized only in Iran anyway. If you search about it on Google, you will find 100s of discussions on quora and other places that discuss it.

 

[hualushui]

Iran used to be your main energy partner but you guys decided to vote in favor of 4 rounds of UNSC sanctions. Then you switched to Saudis for oil. Our volume of trade during Ahmadinejad's presidency was getting close to 40 billion dollars a year. And Ahmadinejad even once boasted about increasing it to 100 billion dollars by 2020. But you didn't do the only thing you were good for at the UNSC. After that, the Rouhani administration reduced our ties with China to a minimum. We didn't have an ambassador in China for more than a year and Rouhani couldn't care less about that.

China supports sanctions against Iran because Iran develops nuclear weapons。
China has always adhered to the policy of nuclear non-proliferation. China will not veto our own policies because of Iran, otherwise South Korea, Japan and Saudi Arabia will develop nuclear weapons.
If the price of Iranian friendship is that China supports Iran in developing nuclear weapons, then China will not accept it.
Only if Iran gives up developing nuclear weapons, China will lift sanctions against Iran.
Iran is not very important to China. China just needs Iranian oil, but it is not necessary. China can import oil from other countries.
So Iranians, you have to figure out for yourself what value Iran has to China.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Absolutely agreed. Both Iran and Pakistan must put past behind and work toward a bright future. What has happened has happened. Only the future matters. We have had disagreements due to many regional complexities etc. Iran took the right step and Pakistan should reciprocate. China, Pakistan and Iran must work together. For their people and the region.

Terrorism apparatus in Eastern Iran needs to be dismantled before any normalizatipn of ties and Taliban should be officially recognized by Iran in Afghanistan. We can then jointly resist US, Israel, and Indian alliance as Muslim brothers.

Maybe Pakistan can help fix ties between Turkey, Azerbaycan and Iran as well.

Indians have a weird soft spot for iranians. This is based on aryan myth . Since Iranians are claimed to be some sort of ancient aryans and indians fancy themsevles as aryans they think they are weird "natural" partners.

Whereas Afghans and Pakistanis are actually Iranic in origin. Indians like to appropriate our race and history.

For example the 101 nights story about Sindh abadi was about a Pakistani Sindhi sailor in Basra, Iraq talking with another one about his sea travels.

Relations between us have been constant. Even if we express anger at each other for political reasons or foreign states, deep down we still acknowledge our shared history and civilization. Pakistan has the same kind of rocky relation with Iran, which Turkey and Azerbaycan have.

Quite interesting, Indians are willing and are lobbying on behalf of Iran Chabhar port as long as it’s corners Pakistan.

More Interesting “As per this Walid guy’s Iranian links ” Iranian are Ready and accepting of Indian of lobbying, for temporary gain, despite known that Indian only interest in Iran is To corner Pakistan.

I hope in sha Allah the next government in Tehran will be more sensible. I prefer Ahmedi Nejad myself, he was far from sectarian and a great leader.

 

[QWECXZ]

China supports sanctions against Iran because Iran develops nuclear weapons。
China has always adhered to the policy of nuclear non-proliferation. China will not veto our own policies because of Iran, otherwise South Korea, Japan and Saudi Arabia will develop nuclear weapons.
If the price of Iranian friendship is that China supports Iran in developing nuclear weapons, then China will not accept it.
Only if Iran gives up developing nuclear weapons, China will lift sanctions against Iran.
Iran is not very important to China. China just needs Iranian oil, but it is not necessary. China can import oil from other countries.
So Iranians, you have to figure out for yourself what value Iran has to China.

What a load of nonsense. You have always supported North Korean's nuclear ambitions.

Nevertheless, there has never been a shred of evidence that suggests Iran is developing nuclear weapons. And China cannot lift sanctions against Iran because:
1. China has very limited power globally compared to Americans and Europeans. You could've prevented the sanctions from being imposed on Iran at the UNSC, but you failed to do so. You cannot lift sanctions on Iran alone.
2. The JCPOA annulled all UNSC sanctions on Iran. So, again, China is useless for that. The current sanctions on Iran are US unilateral sanctions that are covertly supported by the Europeans. China can't do shit about any of that.
3. If China could lift sanctions, it would help itself against the Americans and the Europeans first. The US has been humiliating you for years and you don't dare to reciprocate their behavior.

China isn't very important to Iran either. There is nothing that China produces that interests us except low quality goods that can be imported from other countries. And you aren't importing a lot of oil from Iran either. Your economic profit for us since 2009 has become one-tenth of what it was.

 

[hualushui]

We are satisfied with Turkish clothing products. They look fashionable and have good quality for their low price. Each industry in Iran prefers to buy its products from somewhere. We buy the majority of our medical products from Europe and North America even now that we are under sanctions and are at odds with them while we prefer to import most of our clothing products from Turkey. We import rice from India because their rice is much cheaper than ours, even though many people refuse to buy their rice because they say it is contaminated with Arsenic.

Meanwhile, we produce most things in our own country and our imports from the rest of the world has recently reduced to only 30 billion dollars.

The quality of Chinese products is not something that is criticized only in Iran anyway. If you search about it on Google, you will find 100s of discussions on quora and other places that discuss it.

Iran likes Turkish products. I have no opinion, but you cannot discredit Chinese products.
China's export value is 2.2 trillion US dollars, the figures are the most real.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

China supports sanctions against Iran because Iran develops nuclear weapons。
China has always adhered to the policy of nuclear non-proliferation. China will not veto our own policies because of Iran, otherwise South Korea, Japan and Saudi Arabia will develop nuclear weapons.
If the price of Iranian friendship is that China supports Iran in developing nuclear weapons, then China will not accept it.
Only if Iran gives up developing nuclear weapons, China will lift sanctions against Iran.
Iran is not very important to China. China just needs Iranian oil, but it is not necessary. China can import oil from other countries.
So Iranians, you have to figure out for yourself what value Iran has to China.

My friend, it is better not to get antagonized by certain Iranian posters.

China is improving ties with Muslim countries like Iran, Pakistan, CARs. It is good to create some sort of an interdependent eco-system for trade and to get Iranian and Pakistani products to Europe and China.

 

[QWECXZ]

Iran likes Turkish products. I have no opinion, but you cannot discredit Chinese products.
China's export value is 2.2 trillion US dollars, the figures are the most real.

We are not discrediting Chinese products. That's in your head that Iranians discredit your products.

The whole world discredits your products. As I said, go to quora and search about it. None of the people who says Chinese products are bad and of low quality is Iranian anyway.

 

[hualushui]

You have always supported North Korean's nuclear ambitions.

China has never supported North Korea to develop nuclear weapons

 

[QWECXZ]

China has never supported North Korea to develop nuclear weapons

Does China have proof that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? As far as I know, your own Chinese authorities have always denied the accusations that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.