Indian perspective: Iran backstabs India

[hualushui]

My friend, it is better not to get antagonized by certain Iranian posters.

China is improving ties with Muslim countries like Iran, Pakistan, CARs. It is good to create some sort of an interdependent eco-system for trade and to get Iranian and Pakistani products to Europe and China.

China will develop trade with all countries, but some Iranians are too proud

Does China have proof that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? As far as I know, your own Chinese authorities have always denied the accusations that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.

Concentration of enriched uranium, civilian enriched uranium concentration will not exceed 5%
China’s official stand on the Iranian side, but it does not mean that China has no doubt

 

[QWECXZ]

Concentration of enriched uranium, civilian enriched uranium concentration will not exceed 5%
China’s official stand on the Iranian side, but it does not mean that China has no doubt

That's not correct. The concentration of enriched uranium has nothing to do with that. There are civilian reactors that use even highly enriched uranium. More specifically, the nuclear research reactor of Tehran University that was provided to us by the Americans in early 1970s used 93% enriched uranium to produce medical isotopes. We modified the reactor to use 20% enriched uranium in 1990s. As of today, we are still operating the reactor to produce medical isotopes and we are still feeding it with HALEU (20% enriched uranium).

Nevertheless, Iran has not been enriching uranium above 4% since 2013.

 

[hualushui]

That's not correct. The concentration of enriched uranium has nothing to do with that. There are civilian reactors that use even highly enriched uranium. More specifically, the nuclear research reactor of Tehran University that was provided to us by the Americans in early 1970s used 93% enriched uranium to produce medical isotopes. We modified the reactor to use 20% enriched uranium in 1990s. As of today, we are still operating the reactor to produce medical isotopes and we are still feeding it with HALEU (20% enriched uranium).

Nevertheless, Iran has not been enriching uranium above 4% since 2013.

The amount of enriched uranium used for medical purposes is very small and does not require thousands of centrifuges to produce

 

[QWECXZ]

The amount of enriched uranium used for medical purposes is very small and does not require thousands of centrifuges to produce

It depends on the separative work of your centrifuges.

One IR-1 centrifuge has a separative work unit of nearly 1.1 Kg UF6/year. An IR-8 centrifuge has a SWU of 24 Kg UF6/year. So, one IR-8 centrifuge can enrich one kilogram of UF6 instead of using 24 IR-1 centrifuges. There are centrifuges in the world with higher SWUs as well.

The point is that the number of centrifuges has nothing to do with what you said. If anything, Iran's current enrichment capacity is well beyond what it is required to maintain its civilian nuclear program thanks to a treasonous deal called the JCPOA. We need at least 190,000 SWUs to maintain our civilian nuclear program and provide enough fission material for our nuclear reactors. Our current enrichment capacity is less than 10,000 SWUs.

It seems that you have read too much Western media to come to conclusions like that.

 

[PradoTLC]

We ditched them because they couldn't deliver what they had promised to

so the indians were incompetent?

I think Pakistan will continue to favor the US over Iran as rationally speaking it will serve her economic interests better. Also, Pakistan doesn't want to get too close to Iran because of Saudi Arabia as well. I think Saudi Arabia alone can keep Pakistan away from Iran.

that is bcos you dont know what has changed in Pakistan... Over time as Pakistan economically stronger it will assert it's own interest aggressively...

There has been a sea change in Pakistan's leadership and mindset.. you need to wake up.

 

[QWECXZ]

so the indians were incompetent?

that is bcos you dont know what has changed in Pakistan... Over time as Pakistan economically stronger it will assert it's own interest aggressively...

There has been a sea change in Pakistan's leadership and mindset.. you need to wake up.

We will see. I am patient enough to see what will happen in future.

 

[QWECXZ]

ok .. i think you eat too much goat cheese....

if you look at their export figures it is staggering.. if their products were that bad then who is buying?

true there are some bad chinese producers sure... doesnt mean all of them are like that.. it like saying all Japanese cars are reliable.. well only Toyota, Mazda and Honda are good the rest are crap...

to have some flame fun.....i mean irani cars lol...

Iran has stopped producing Paykan (the car in the photo you sent) since 2000s, i.e. 20 years ago. These are our latest cars:

And don't butt in something that doesn't concern you.
I don't need your inferiority complex to waste my time with a low cheap person like you.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

This was what you can say a rational decision by Iran. India stopped buying oil from Iran just because of USA which is the largest revenue source for them then what would they do, they are looking for their interests just as India is looking for themselves.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

China will develop trade with all countries, but some Iranians are too proud

Most are decent, they have extreme patriotism in their country which I respect. No one can single handedly stop Chinese expansion in the Muslim world. There is no competitor, market is wide open.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

whole world?....lol


some people have a bizarre sense of logic.. then again some people drink cow piss...




so now india is USA's no 1 whore.




correct about US.. but not KSA.. it is officially a state ally

In Geopolitik emotions matter less but interests matter more. Now a days Iran's interest is layed out with China who couldn't care less about US sanctions so they are signing pacts. Also China needs new markets for their products as well as a new support in the gulf area where as Iran needs a reliable country to forge partnerships who can deliver. India needs USA to counter China in the region so India forged partnerships with USA and her allies.

I wonder what will happen if oil start to trade in some other currency than USD , how much it will effect US economy ?

USA dollar is pegged against oil which used to be on gold but during 71 Nixon made it against oil so if countries decide to go against it dollar value will fall considerably. That is why USA is so keen on keeping oil business in dollar and go against anyone who will challenge the hegemony of that.

Overall, Iran is more pro-Western than pro-China.
Iranian upper class prefers to buy European goods. When Iranian businessmen trade with China, the bids are very low, and they can only buy inferior goods, resulting in a low evaluation of Chinese goods.
Despite being sanctioned by the United States, many people in Iran still dream of reconciling with the United States.
I have heard such a news, I do not know if it is a rumor. Chinese ZTE companies do business with Iran. When the United States and Iran reached an agreement in 2016, Iran sold ZTE and provided evidence to the United States that Iran and ZTE did business, and eventually ZTE was sanctioned.


in your dream

It is true but it was during the kingdom back in 90s as far as I remember which eventually pushed aside after democracy came.

I believe your story because the Rouhani administration was against Iran-China relations from the first moment it took the office. The Rouhani administration is a pro-West administration that will leave the office in August 2021. But I can't say that Iran overall is more pro-Western than pro-China. To be quite honest with you, we are cautious about both of you guys equally and we don't see any of you as our permanent friends. Iranians view Europeans very negatively, particularly after the JCPOA. China is still considered less of a threat to our interests than the Europeans or the Americans.

As for the Iranian upper class, that's the same everywhere. If someone can afford an iPhone, they won't go buy a Huawei which cannot compete with it. If someone can afford German, Japanese or Korean cars, they won't buy a Chinese car. It has nothing to do with Iranians only. You have to accept that your products in many areas cannot compete with the quality of Western products yet. If you'll go to any review website from any country in the world, you will see that iPhone has more positive reviews than Huawei or BMW/Toyota/Porsche/etc. have much better reviews than the best cars you can produce now.

Many countries have standards that are enforced by law. If your companies accept to produce substandard products, the low evaluation of Chinese goods is the fault of your companies that are willing to sacrifice their reputation and produce substandard products.


As far as I remember, your general did accept their invitation. Although your parliament later decided to stay away from the Saudi coalition.

We need China for its veto power in the UNSC. It previously failed to block 4 rounds of UNSC resolutions against us. If they fail to veto resolutions against us again, we will reduce our ties with them like what happened in the last 8 years. We do not need China for construction projects. When we were forced to kick them out of Tehran Metro, South Pars and Tehran-North Expressway projects after their long delays, we finally finished all the three projects on our own without foreign assistance. Projects like these are offered to China, India or any other country that is willing to cooperate with us for creating mutual economic interests and attracting foreign investment. If we feel that China or India is using sanctions as an excuse not to deliver their promises, then they will be kicked out like before.

Regarding I phone I would say it is a overpriced garbage to say the least many chinese phone makers offers much reliable phones with really great specs in much less price , among them one plus comes to mind first and there are many. IPhone I can say a status symbol apart from that it is nothing.

 

[PradoTLC]

In Geopolitik emotions matter less but interests matter more. Now a days Iran's interest is layed out with China who couldn't care less about US sanctions so they are signing pacts. Also China needs new markets for their products as well as a new support in the gulf area where as Iran needs a reliable country to forge partnerships who can deliver. India needs USA to counter China in the region so India forged partnerships with USA and her allies.


USA dollar is pegged against oil which used to be on gold but during 71 Nixon made it against oil so if countries decide to go against it dollar value will fall considerably. That is why USA is so keen on keeping oil business in dollar and go against anyone who will challenge the hegemony of that.


It is true but it was during the kingdom back in 90s as far as I remember which eventually pushed aside after democracy came.



Regarding I phone I would say it is a overpriced garbage to say the least many chinese phone makers offers much reliable phones with really great specs in much less price , among them one plus comes to mind first and there are many. IPhone I can say a status symbol apart from that it is nothing.

Great answer ...

hope now the rest of the indian Janta at PDF to understand

 

[PeacefulWar]

China supports sanctions against Iran because Iran develops nuclear weapons。
China has always adhered to the policy of nuclear non-proliferation. China will not veto our own policies because of Iran, otherwise South Korea, Japan and Saudi Arabia will develop nuclear weapons.
If the price of Iranian friendship is that China supports Iran in developing nuclear weapons, then China will not accept it.
Only if Iran gives up developing nuclear weapons, China will lift sanctions against Iran.
Iran is not very important to China. China just needs Iranian oil, but it is not necessary. China can import oil from other countries.
So Iranians, you have to figure out for yourself what value Iran has to China.

Please ignore this "feeling powerful" delusional person.

 

[PradoTLC]

Iran has stopped producing Paykan (the car in the photo you sent) since 2000s, i.e. 20 years ago. These are our latest cars:

And don't butt in something that doesn't concern you.
I don't need your inferiority complex to waste my time with a low cheap person like you.

Wow your daddy clearly didn’t teach any manners....

Then again you are what you are... jezz no wonder Arabs don’t like you.. then again who does ?


Now on with topic ... more Indian crying ... bcos the Iran India deal was only a Pakistan angle and not much else ... Iranians live in fools world thinking India actually mattered to them ...

Please ignore this "feeling powerful" delusional person.

Don’t worry he won’t showing up here again ..