Indian Navy puts out RfI for next-gen missile vessel

[Agent_47]

Notably absent is the requiement for a hangar and a helicopter. IMHO, you are looking at a replacement for the Khukri (early 1990s)/Kora (early 2000) classes. Kamorta has substantially greater manning levels than mentioned above. Or else Veer/Abhay replacement.

SSM > antiship missile
PDMS > self defence SAM e.g. previously Sea Sparrow, currently RAM or Barak1
Medium range gun > 76mm cannon
CIWS > AK630
VSHORADS > manpads, possibly (remote control) pedestal mounted

Veer and Khukri and Kora classes pretty much have this weapons fit, but for the PDMS (iirc the latter were initially to get Barak?)


Indian Navy puts out RfI for next-gen missile vessel - IHS Jane's 360

If that's the final number then it's Khukri/Kora replacements.


LIVEFIST: Indian Navy Wants 6 New Indian-built Missile Corvettes

Kora class is very new and capable by indian standards.It must be old Khukri class replacement.
The choice of AShm would be interesting since we don't have any suitable weight classed missile in production or development.
Both Kora/Khukri have helicopter landing spot.

 

[Prajapati]

Right. It will be interesting to see what Anti-ship missile It will carry though. Would love if it will be Brahmos as almost all new warships of Indian navy are getting Brahmos and even old ones who are going to overhaul or mid life refit but not sure if this class of ships will be qualified for that.

Brahmos is the ONLY option. It is certain.

 

[CONNAN]

Current Kora Class

OLD KHUKRI CLASS

OLD Veer-class corvette

 

[kaykay]

Brahmos is the ONLY option. It is certain.

Well Brahmos is certainly one of the option but not sure about 'only' option as you say. Klub missiles are there too and has been added in all upgraded kilo class subs and akula class subs along with some frigates like Talwar class too if I am not wrong.

 

[Agent_47]

Well Brahmos is certainly one of the option but not sure about 'only' option as you say. Klub missiles are there too and has been added in all upgraded kilo class subs and akula class subs along with some frigates like Talwar class too if I am not wrong.

Brahmos is very heavy missile and not suitable for small vessels like this.
Even mini-Brahmos will weight around 1500kg,
Suitable choices will be kh-35,harpoon or Exocet.(all weights around 600kg)

 

[kaykay]

Brahmos is very heavy missile and not suitable for small vessels like this.
Even mini-Brahmos will weight around 1500kg,
Suitable choices will be kh-35,harpoon or Exocet.(all weights around 600kg)

Thats right but Its not gonna be very small either. Displacement will be somewhere between 2000 ton to 2500 tons according to Shiv Aroor that too without Heli hanger so may be Brahmos-M can cut the mark. Other wise, Kh-35s or Harpoons/Exocet as you mentioned are there.

 

[sudhir007]

Somthing like this

But I like instant of brahmos use Shaurya

My the combination

8 - Barak1
3 - AK-630
4 - Brahmos for anti ship
4 - Shaurya

 

[kaykay]

So It will be Brahmos. Indeed a great news for us. @Agent_47

Somthing like this

But I like instant of brahmos use Shaurya

My the combination

8 - Barak1
3 - AK-630
4 - Brahmos for anti ship
4 - Shaurya

Shaurya/Sagarika? Thats hell of big for this ship.

 

[sudhir007]

So It will be Brahmos. Indeed a great news for us. @Agent_47


Shaurya/Sagarika? Thats hell of big for this ship.

Veer-class is around = 500T
But if we increase the weight of the boat around 800/1000T we can easily put shaurya on it
@sancho @anant_s @Abingdonboy @Agent_47

 

[Indian_Patriot]

It should have advanced stealth features. It should appear on the radar no bigger than a small fishing ship in order to confuse the enemy. Even 4 Brahmos is enough imo. These vessels won't be travelling on their own, they will travel in a 'killer squadron' similar to 1971. Therefore 3 x4 Brahmos = 12 Brahmos. 12 Brahmos launched at Karachi or similar ports will have untold havoc.

 

[Agent_47]

Image you posted is improbable in many ways.
It looks like some old russian with no priority on signature reduction.Also where is SAM and helipad?

It will be modern design like gowind class:

Shaurya ?! its a 6 tonne missile.

Thats right but Its not gonna be very small either. Displacement will be somewhere between 2000 ton to 2500 tons according to Shiv Aroor that too without Heli hanger so may be Brahmos-M can cut the mark. Other wise, Kh-35s or Harpoons/Exocet as you mentioned are there.

Shiv Aroor is guessing just like us.RFI states displacement "as per design".
If the choice is brahmos-m the it will be heavy like you said.
@Penguin

 

[ni8mare]

Well Brahmos is certainly one of the option but not sure about 'only' option as you say. Klub missiles are there too and has been added in all upgraded kilo class subs and akula class subs along with some frigates like Talwar class too if I am not wrong.

first 3 klub while later 3 are installed with brahmos....

Somthing like this

But I like instant of brahmos use Shaurya

lol it sucks....no stealth.............what about this below?
gowind 2500>>>>2500 tonne

Class & type: Gowind class (Gowind 2500)[5]
Displacement: 2500 tons
Length: 102 m (335 ft)
Propulsion: CODAD
Speed: 25 knots (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range: 4,000 nmi (7,400 km; 4,600 mi) at 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph)
Endurance: 11 days
Boats & landing
craft carried: 2 × 9 m (30 ft) RHIBs
Complement: 80
Sensors and
processing systems: DCNS SETIS CMS
SMART-S 3D radar
Armament: Gowind 2500 specification[6]

• 1 × OTO Melara 76 mm main gun
• 2 × Nexter Narwhal 20mm cannon
• 16 × VLS for MICA VL
• 8 × Exocet anti ship missile
• 2 × triple torpedo launcher

Aircraft carried: 1 × 5-tons helicopter or 1 × 10-tons helicopter (supported)
Schiebel Camcopter S-100[7]
Aviation facilities: helicopter pad and hangar

or this

Type: Naval Offshore Patrol Vessel
Displacement: 2300[1] ton
Length: 105 metres (344 ft)
Beam: 12.9 metres (42 ft)
Draught: 3.6 metres (12 ft)
Propulsion: 2 x 7790 kW engines
Speed: 25 knots (46 km/h)
Range: 6,000 nautical miles (11,000 km) at 16 knots (30 km/h)
Complement: 8 Officers and 102 Sailors
Armament: 1 x 76 mm Oto melara gun with FCS
2 x AK-630 CIWS
Aircraft carried: 1x HAL Dhruv or 1x HAL Chetak[2

My the combination

8 - Barak1
3 - AK-630
4 - Brahmos for anti ship
4 - Shaurya

about weapons my choice

8 -barak 1 is to small should be 16
2 - ak630 is enough
4 - brahmos /mini
4- nirbhay

 

[PARIKRAMA]

As per Prasun Sengupta

• The NGMVs are replacements for the 5 477-tonne Project 1241RE guided-missile corvettes (INS Veer K-40, INS Nirbhik K-41, INS Nipat K-42, INS Nishank K-43 and INS Nirghat K-44, all of which are armed with P-20 Termit ASCMs.
• The NGMVs won’t be FAC-Ms like the Project 1241RE vessels, but will instead be 700-tonne stealthy corvettes built with a high content of composites.
• This then leaves only 3 potential contenders in the competition, Saab/TKMS with its Visby design, CMN of France with its Combattante CL65-S design, & another similar design from Italy’s Fincantieri—all sporting integrated masts.
• In fact, what the IN ought to do is to select a common imported hull design for both the 16 SW-ASW vessels & the initial 6 NGMVs.
• Since the NGMVs are meant to be stealthy platforms, the on-board ASCMs will be required to be vertically-launched, as will the missiles of the CIWS.
• ASCMs like BrahMos-A won't fit the bill, while IAI could possibly come up with a smaller version of the Barak-2 with 35km-range that can neutralise hostile ASCMs inbound at Mach 3 speed.
• An anti-ship version of the vertically-launched Nirbhay can easily be developed in-country.
• If not, then the Kongsberg NSM will be the next best option.
• Another ASCM option is to develop a 180km-range version of the DRDO's proposed LRCM.
• The Type 056 from China’s CSTC is more of a littoral patrol FFG whose max speed is not as high as that desired by the IN, while any catamaran design—Australian, Chinese or Taiwanese—is optimised for use only in shallow waters. That’s precisely why the IN has totally dissatisfied with the seaworthiness of catamaran survey vessels like the INS Makar.

This was answer to questions asked about the RFI

 

[Penguin]

Right. It will be interesting to see what Anti-ship missile It will carry though. Would love if it will be Brahmos as almost all new warships of Indian navy are getting Brahmos and even old ones who are going to overhaul or mid life refit but not sure if this class of ships will be qualified for that.

Brahmos is a very long missile. THat doesn't rule out incorporation on a missile boat, but does pose a challenge, particularly if VLS is used

Buyan-M

Project 21631 Buyan-M-class Grad Sviyazhsk missile boat developed by the Zelenodolsk Design Bureau.

It is a follow-on of the Project 21630 Buyan-class gunboat differing from it in twice as large a displacement and the armament suite. The missile boat features a length of 74.1 m, a beam of 11 m, an amidships height of 6.57 m, a draught of 2.6 m, a displacement of 949 t, and a maximum speed of 25 knots. The Project 21631 missile boat will be armed with 3R-14UKSK vertical launchers with eight Yakhont or Club-N missiles accommodated in a 2x4 container behind the conning room, a 100mm A-190M Universal gun mount, a 30mm AK-630M1-2 Duet close-in weapon system, two 3M-47 Gibka mounts for Igla and Igla-S MANPADS, two 14.5mm and three 7.62mm machineguns.

National Defense / News From Russia
Other - older - variants of this here: National Defense / Navy

versus deck launcher (Yakhont) on Nanuchka

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Somthing like this

But I like instant of brahmos use Shaurya

My the combination

8 - Barak1
3 - AK-630
4 - Brahmos for anti ship
4 - Shaurya

That idea was first put forward on Aero India 2003.

Aero India 2003 - Part 3

Aside from that being a long time ago .... what advantage does this boat hold over the current Veer class? Perhaps interesting as upgrade option, but certainly not for a new class. Not in the last place because there is no PDMS on this design. Also note the old style Russian 76 and AK230 and pedestal mounted SA-7.

This is the newest of the Veer class boats, dating from 2002: note the Oto 76mm, AK630s, KH-35sS, trela-2M (SA-N-5) SAM launcher (manual aiming with infra-red homing to 6 km at Mach 1.5 with a 1.5 kg warhead), You could park 2 or 4 Brahmos on each side. But the rest remains the same.

 

[kaykay]

Brahmos is a very long missile. THat doesn't rule out incorporation on a missile boat, but does pose a challenge, particularly if VLS is used

Buyan-M

versus deck launcher (Yakhont) on Nanuchka

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But what advantage does this boat hold over the current Veer class? Perhaps interesting as upgrade option, but certainly not for a new class. Not in the last place because there is no PDMS on this design. Also note the old style Russian 76 and AK230 and pedestal mounted SA-7.

This is the newest of the Veer class boats: note the Oto 76mm, AK630s, KH-35sS, trela-2M (SA-N-5) SAM launcher (manual aiming with infra-red homing to 6 km at Mach 1.5 with a 1.5 kg warhead)

I guess the pic, Sudhir has posted is not about this ship but some russian missile boat maquette, OSA class probably.