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Wasn't it a old news?

To add few more points from navy

-We are not happy or satisfied with German torpedoes which are used by our German boats as black sharks are way too advanced. But we had to do away with what we have. It's not hardware issue but minor software update to fire these torpedoes. But the problem again a raise as these torpedoes are in small numbers and are very old About 64 remains with Indian Navy today.


- Navy also looking into new generation torpedoes from Germany itself. So minor modification can be made with less time line..

- But the spoiler!!! Indian government still not banned black shark procurement. The move has been put on hold for now. Untill further notice. So as usual different views are emerging from Mod. Without any clear path.
So it's now concluded to go with older torpedoes which we posses.


TThis requires the navy to make do with 64 old SUT torpedoes that were bought a quarter century ago for its four German Shishumar-class submarines.

In July 2013, German company, Atlas Elektronik, was contracted to upgrade the SUT torpedoes and to extend their service life by 15 years. Even so, the SUT would retain their old copper wire-guidance systems that are inferior to modern torpedoes, such as those carried by Pakistan's new Khalid-class submarines.his requires the navy to make do with 64 old SUT torpedoes that were bought a quarter century ago for its four German Shishumar-class submarines.

In July 2013, German company, Atlas Elektronik, was contracted to upgrade the SUT torpedoes and to extend their service life by 15 years. Even so, the SUT would retain their old copper wire-guidance systems that are inferior to modern torpedoes, such as those carried by Pakistan's new Khalid-class submarines.



So we are fukced either way.

Most probable option we could go :

P75I : HDW Class 214 armed with Seahake torpedoes

But sadly this been operated by Pakistans Agosta 90B submarines too.
 
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Wasn't it a old news?

To add few more points from navy

-We are not happy or satisfied with German torpedoes which are used by our German boats as black sharks are way too advanced. But we had to do away with what we have. It's not hardware issue but minor software update to fire these torpedoes. But the problem again a raise as these torpedoes are in small numbers and are very old About 64 remains with Indian Navy today.


- Navy also looking into new generation torpedoes from Germany itself. So minor modification can be made with less time line..

- But the spoiler!!! Indian government still not banned black shark procurement. The move has been put on hold for now. Untill further notice. So as usual different views are emerging from Mod. Without any clear path.
So it's now concluded to go with older torpedoes which we posses.


TThis requires the navy to make do with 64 old SUT torpedoes that were bought a quarter century ago for its four German Shishumar-class submarines.

In July 2013, German company, Atlas Elektronik, was contracted to upgrade the SUT torpedoes and to extend their service life by 15 years. Even so, the SUT would retain their old copper wire-guidance systems that are inferior to modern torpedoes, such as those carried by Pakistan's new Khalid-class submarines.his requires the navy to make do with 64 old SUT torpedoes that were bought a quarter century ago for its four German Shishumar-class submarines.

In July 2013, German company, Atlas Elektronik, was contracted to upgrade the SUT torpedoes and to extend their service life by 15 years. Even so, the SUT would retain their old copper wire-guidance systems that are inferior to modern torpedoes, such as those carried by Pakistan's new Khalid-class submarines.



So we are fukced either way.

Most probable option we could go :

P75I : HDW Class 214 armed with Seahake torpedoes

But sadly this been operated by Pakistans Agosta 90B submarines too.

But haven't the F21 (which is identical to the Blackshark) being selected? Only the deal hasn't being signed yet?
 
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#KnowyourNavy Here's the answer to my Question......

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Insignia of the Sword arm of Indian Navy - Western Fleet
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Majestic INS Kolkata-Indian shipbuilding prowess. Self Reliance & Indigenisation is the way ahead @SpokespersonMoD

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#BridgesofFriendship INS Aditya entering Port Louis Mauritius @SpokespersonMoD
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#BridgesofFriendship @SpokespersonMoD Demonstrates r commitment 2 ties wid Mauritius & 2 promote Maritime Sec in IOR
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Silhouette on the Western Fleet insignia - Delhi Class?!
 
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Indian Navy’s Growing Power: Implications for Pakistan Navy 0
By Waqas Jan on September 4, 2016
Background

The growing might of Indian Navy is a cause of concern for Pakistan’s naval strategists. Pakistan unlike India possesses a short coastline, and maritime territory, but due to its proximity to strait of Hormuz, one of the most robust and busy sea lanes of the world, famous for its oil trade, the significance of Pakistan maritime territory is more than Indian maritime territory. In 1971, Pakistani merchant fleet was obliterated by the Indian Navy assaults on non-combatant ships, reliving the notorious legends of U-[1]Boat assaults on British and US Navy merchant fleets in first and second world wars. The post 1971 offers Pakistan to look outside Karachi and develop farther posts for ship and submarine basing, to thwart any prospect of blockade by the Indian Navy. Pakistan Navy successfully emerges from a fledging force to a fighting machine, with developing more naval bases away from Indian Naval reach. But Indian growing economy is resulting in its acquisition of more and more naval war fighting platforms, to neutralize any long term advantage of the Pak Navy.

Indian Navy PINPOINT Acquisition:

Undersea Warfare Domain:

Having at relatively disadvantageous position vis-à-vis Pakistan Navy in Undersea Warfare, Indian Navy accelerated its acquisition of various Anti-Submarine Warfare platforms, ranging from Sea-based to Air, their acquisition of such advanced naval platforms will definitely have negative impact on Pakistan’s edge against India in undersea domain. The development of INS Kamorta[2] and INS Kadmatt and upcoming 2 ships of the Kamorta Class stealth corvettes (INS Kitan & INS Kavarati), are the most advanced ships to track down undersea objects and eliminate them. The Indian Navy plans to pit a stealth surface corvettes against enemy subs, is a short and long term plan as well, short term in a sense that Indian navy have old fledging submarines, and submarine building will take years, to fix, that problem, Indian Navy is commissioning its home grown fleet of ships into its surface fleet. These advanced ships are contributing to Indian Navy’s lethality and will effect Pakistan naval calculations in any future encounter with India.

Naval Air Arm:

Indian Navy traditionally lacked a superior technology in its naval air arm to disturb Pakistan Air Sea calculations, and detection of its submarines, hidden under the depth of oceans, but the new Boeing P-8I Poseidon[3] coupled with Kamorta class submarines, will definitely effect Pakistani submarine operations in the Arabian Sea, or its more extended area of operations, for intelligence gathering. The Poseidon is the most advanced Naval Air reconnaissance aircraft in the world. Pakistan with its Lockheed P-3 Orion is successfully conducting its routine operations, and was in advantageous position vis-à-vis India, but the presence of Poseidon, will affect this edge enjoyed by Pakistan naval Air Arm.

Surface Fleet Renovation.

The Indian Navy from past ten years is busy in updating and replacing its entire surface fleet with make in India technology. The latest Kolkata Class destroyers are the proof that Indian Navy successfully developed and deployed one of the most advanced ships in its naval fleet. The Kolkata are a class of stealth guided missile destroyers built by the Indian Navy, two of the ships of the Kolkata Class INS Kolkata and Kochi are already commissioned in the Indian Navy, and third and final one will be commissioned in the latter half of the 2016. These destroyers which are stealth as well will add further muscle, confidence and flexibility to the Navy’s operational plans. The recently approved continental shelf by the UNCLOS[4], not just expanded Pakistan maritime footprints but added an additional responsibility to Pakistan’s Sea defenders to come up with a force that cannot just protect its territorial waters but also ensure their presence alongthe expanded Pakistani maritime territory to regulate the SLOCs traversing Pakistani continental shelf. Pakistan is said to have the largest amount of shale oil and gas, beneath its seabed. This factor alone can contribute to attracting potential aggressors like India which can deeply its growing naval power, and can disrupt Pakistani plans to extract its ocean wealth.

Naval Propulsion/ Aircraft carriers and SSBNs

Indian Navy from the beginning started operating the first Aircraft carrier in the form of INS Vikrant, which played a key role in the blockade imposed by Indian Navy on Pakistan. The Ex Royal Navy ship was decommissioned in 1997 by the Indian Navy, but the Indian Naval planners thought that it will be folly to lose the experience which they gained from operating an aircraft carrier, thus they decided to buy the decommissioned ship the ex-Admiral Ghorshkov and later renamed as Baku. Thus they started negotiations with India to transform Baku expanded deck into an air strip for its Mig 29, the project took almost 2 decades, and three Government tenures, but finally the Baku was re-commissioned in the Indian Navy INS Vikramaditya[5], with its addition, the Indian navy can produce a 500 km air surveillance bubble, complicating and disrupting Pakistan Navy’s area of operation. The new Indian Navy SSBNs INS Chakra and others possess a serious threat to the Pakistan diesel and air independent propulsion submarines, because in conflict scenario, Nuclear propelled ship and submarine, can sustain much longer than traditionally fuelled submarine or ship. The naval propulsion will add further lethality to Indian Navy, because they will remain active in the conflict area much longer than the Pakistani navy.

Conclusion:

The rapid economic boom of India resulted in its expansion of naval fleet, on the context that India wants to confront the growing prowess of Chinese Navy in its backyard. But Indian Naval expansion is eroding the naval stability in the region. Pakistan cannot beef up the naval acquisition because of its fledging economy. The debt stricken country needs to spend wisely and reinvigorate its economy, so that naval stability can be maintained against the traditional foes. Pakistan’s expanded maritime footprints and the development of Gwadar port, expansion of its future maritime trade and its proximity to various naval and maritime chokepoints, Pakistan needs a robust presence in the Arabian Sea and beyond. The Combined Task Force CTF-151[6] is a good contribution to fill the traditional absence in the far seas, but Pakistan needs to beef up the construction and acquisition of various naval platforms to maintain stability in the waters.

http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com...vys-growing-power-implications-pakistan-navy/
 
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^^^^ Instead of writing this much detailed article, the writer should have written "We're doomed against Indian Navy". That would have explained a lot.
 
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Indian Navy’s Growing Power: Implications for Pakistan Navy 0
By Waqas Jan on September 4, 2016
Background

The growing might of Indian Navy is a cause of concern for Pakistan’s naval strategists. Pakistan unlike India possesses a short coastline, and maritime territory, but due to its proximity to strait of Hormuz, one of the most robust and busy sea lanes of the world, famous for its oil trade, the significance of Pakistan maritime territory is more than Indian maritime territory. In 1971, Pakistani merchant fleet was obliterated by the Indian Navy assaults on non-combatant ships, reliving the notorious legends of U-[1]Boat assaults on British and US Navy merchant fleets in first and second world wars. The post 1971 offers Pakistan to look outside Karachi and develop farther posts for ship and submarine basing, to thwart any prospect of blockade by the Indian Navy. Pakistan Navy successfully emerges from a fledging force to a fighting machine, with developing more naval bases away from Indian Naval reach. But Indian growing economy is resulting in its acquisition of more and more naval war fighting platforms, to neutralize any long term advantage of the Pak Navy.

Indian Navy PINPOINT Acquisition:

Undersea Warfare Domain:

Having at relatively disadvantageous position vis-à-vis Pakistan Navy in Undersea Warfare, Indian Navy accelerated its acquisition of various Anti-Submarine Warfare platforms, ranging from Sea-based to Air, their acquisition of such advanced naval platforms will definitely have negative impact on Pakistan’s edge against India in undersea domain. The development of INS Kamorta[2] and INS Kadmatt and upcoming 2 ships of the Kamorta Class stealth corvettes (INS Kitan & INS Kavarati), are the most advanced ships to track down undersea objects and eliminate them. The Indian Navy plans to pit a stealth surface corvettes against enemy subs, is a short and long term plan as well, short term in a sense that Indian navy have old fledging submarines, and submarine building will take years, to fix, that problem, Indian Navy is commissioning its home grown fleet of ships into its surface fleet. These advanced ships are contributing to Indian Navy’s lethality and will effect Pakistan naval calculations in any future encounter with India.

Naval Air Arm:

Indian Navy traditionally lacked a superior technology in its naval air arm to disturb Pakistan Air Sea calculations, and detection of its submarines, hidden under the depth of oceans, but the new Boeing P-8I Poseidon[3] coupled with Kamorta class submarines, will definitely effect Pakistani submarine operations in the Arabian Sea, or its more extended area of operations, for intelligence gathering. The Poseidon is the most advanced Naval Air reconnaissance aircraft in the world. Pakistan with its Lockheed P-3 Orion is successfully conducting its routine operations, and was in advantageous position vis-à-vis India, but the presence of Poseidon, will affect this edge enjoyed by Pakistan naval Air Arm.

Surface Fleet Renovation.

The Indian Navy from past ten years is busy in updating and replacing its entire surface fleet with make in India technology. The latest Kolkata Class destroyers are the proof that Indian Navy successfully developed and deployed one of the most advanced ships in its naval fleet. The Kolkata are a class of stealth guided missile destroyers built by the Indian Navy, two of the ships of the Kolkata Class INS Kolkata and Kochi are already commissioned in the Indian Navy, and third and final one will be commissioned in the latter half of the 2016. These destroyers which are stealth as well will add further muscle, confidence and flexibility to the Navy’s operational plans. The recently approved continental shelf by the UNCLOS[4], not just expanded Pakistan maritime footprints but added an additional responsibility to Pakistan’s Sea defenders to come up with a force that cannot just protect its territorial waters but also ensure their presence alongthe expanded Pakistani maritime territory to regulate the SLOCs traversing Pakistani continental shelf. Pakistan is said to have the largest amount of shale oil and gas, beneath its seabed. This factor alone can contribute to attracting potential aggressors like India which can deeply its growing naval power, and can disrupt Pakistani plans to extract its ocean wealth.

Naval Propulsion/ Aircraft carriers and SSBNs

Indian Navy from the beginning started operating the first Aircraft carrier in the form of INS Vikrant, which played a key role in the blockade imposed by Indian Navy on Pakistan. The Ex Royal Navy ship was decommissioned in 1997 by the Indian Navy, but the Indian Naval planners thought that it will be folly to lose the experience which they gained from operating an aircraft carrier, thus they decided to buy the decommissioned ship the ex-Admiral Ghorshkov and later renamed as Baku. Thus they started negotiations with India to transform Baku expanded deck into an air strip for its Mig 29, the project took almost 2 decades, and three Government tenures, but finally the Baku was re-commissioned in the Indian Navy INS Vikramaditya[5], with its addition, the Indian navy can produce a 500 km air surveillance bubble, complicating and disrupting Pakistan Navy’s area of operation. The new Indian Navy SSBNs INS Chakra and others possess a serious threat to the Pakistan diesel and air independent propulsion submarines, because in conflict scenario, Nuclear propelled ship and submarine, can sustain much longer than traditionally fuelled submarine or ship. The naval propulsion will add further lethality to Indian Navy, because they will remain active in the conflict area much longer than the Pakistani navy.

Conclusion:

The rapid economic boom of India resulted in its expansion of naval fleet, on the context that India wants to confront the growing prowess of Chinese Navy in its backyard. But Indian Naval expansion is eroding the naval stability in the region. Pakistan cannot beef up the naval acquisition because of its fledging economy. The debt stricken country needs to spend wisely and reinvigorate its economy, so that naval stability can be maintained against the traditional foes. Pakistan’s expanded maritime footprints and the development of Gwadar port, expansion of its future maritime trade and its proximity to various naval and maritime chokepoints, Pakistan needs a robust presence in the Arabian Sea and beyond. The Combined Task Force CTF-151[6] is a good contribution to fill the traditional absence in the far seas, but Pakistan needs to beef up the construction and acquisition of various naval platforms to maintain stability in the waters.

http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com...vys-growing-power-implications-pakistan-navy/

Author has couple of facts
WRONG

In 1971, Pakistani merchant fleet was obliterated by the Indian Navy assaults on non-combatant ships, reliving the notorious legends of U-[1]Boat assaults on British and US Navy merchant fleets in first and second world wars.


It is well documented that In addition to Merchant shipping. A no. of PN warships was also hit and sunk and they were hit by surface ships NOT subs

Thus they started negotiations with India to transform Baku expanded deck into an air strip for its Mig 29, the project took almost 2 decades, and three Government tenures


Though the Negotiation took some time. The works only started in 2004 and delivery in 2013 - NOT 2 Decades!!! and only 1 Gov Tenure

The new Indian Navy SSBNs INS Chakra

INS Chakra is a SSN ie Nuclear Attack or Hunter Killer Sub NOT SSBN

Pakistan needs a robust presence in the Arabian Sea and beyond. The Combined Task Force CTF-151[6] is a good contribution to fill the traditional absence in the far seas

CTF-151 is for combating piracy and NOT in any way will engage in war with another country ie. in the event i.e. PN vs IN , they will not interfere (NOT in their Mandate)
 
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In a demonstration of India’s commitment to its ties with Tanzania, Indian Naval Ship Trikand is on a visit to Dar Es Salaam, as part of its deployment to the East Coast of Africa and Island nations in the Western Indian Ocean. The visit is aimed at enhancing bilateral ties, strengthening the existing bonds of friendship and reinforcing cooperation in maritime security between India and Tanzania. During the stay in harbour, various activities including official calls, cultural events and professional interaction between the two navies are planned. The ship would also be open to public for onboard visits, during its stay at Dar Es Salaam.

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