Indian Navy News & Discussions

[Armani]

Some older images of D66 Kolkata preparing to leave Seychelles -

 

[ni8mare]

 

[sudhir007]

https://www.facebook.com/notes/live...ties-in-indias-p17a-frigates/1360748340619162

Excellent little nugget buried in an Indian Navy briefing today on the P15B destroyer line was this official art of the P17A stealth frigate. The follow-on class to the successful and proven P17/Shivalik-class, the P17A is known to be under build with significantly greater stealth qualities in its superstructures. While there's been some guesswork over the years about precisely how Directorate of Naval Design plans to hone the Shivalik-class for greater stealth (this isn’t the first art out there, there have been a few over the years), this image suggests a cleaner approach with higher inclines and a modular deck configuration.

Livefist’s sources confirm that the P17A borrows stealth sensibilities being infused in the P15B destroyer line, with several areas of commonality in materials, system/housing shaping and deck assembly configuration. The hope is that stealth will be significantly higher in these two classes than their predecessor classes.
Sure, art is art. But if this is the way the Indian Navy is going, it's more proof that its ship design and build capabilities are among the finest in the world.

 

[migflug]

Is India dropping INS Vishal for INS Virat-II??

Published September 15, 2016 SOURCE: Anand SG / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

India’s Current Defence minister Manhohar Parrikar likes to save money and that too in major ways and latest casualty and off from his to-do list, might be the development and construction of India’s Second 65000 tonne Aircraft carrier with Nuclear propulsion. Recent media reports indicate that IAC-2 or INS Vishal is off the priority list of Indian Defence Ministry and Indian Navy is unlikely to get official funding for the project anytime soon due to complex and high development cost enabled with the project after carrying out in depth discussion with American and Russian Industrial partners. The Indian Defence Ministry is now actively considering development of sister Vikrant class conventional indigenous aircraft carrier with added and improved capabilities which might be named INS Virat-II after INS Virat-I which was a British designed Centaur-class aircraft carrier recently decommissioned from the Indian Navy service in keeping with Navy tradition of renaming warships of the same class. Many Defence analysts for long had voiced concern and also had taken a cautious approach on possible development of IAC-2 with Nuclear propulsion due higher developmental and ownership cost involved over a conventional aircraft carrier. India also could have required to carry out considerable amounts of investments in its shipyards to build human and technological expertise to handle repairs on a Nuclear propulsion ship. Ulitmialtey cost seems to be major hurdle which might have forced the Indian Defence Ministry to fall back on conventional aircraft carrier technology to rely on to keep developmental cost low and benefit from prior development of India’s first indigenously developed INS Vikrant-II which is now at the final stages of fitments before it is enters service into Indian Navy by 2018. Will India build another aircraft carrier on the lines of INS Vikrant-II or will decide to develop a 65000 tonne new aircraft carrier with conventional propulsion is the decision which likely will be discussed in coming months closely with all shareholders before final call is taken on the development of the second indigenous aircraft carrier.

http://idrw.org/india-dropping-ins-vishal-ins-virat-ii/ .

I know its not exactly a great source but the prospect of having improved vikrant class carrier thrills me. Always amazing to embrace indigenous weapons.MP is going in the right direction.
@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA

Do you have any info about this?

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Is India dropping INS Vishal for INS Virat-II??

Published September 15, 2016 SOURCE: Anand SG / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

India’s Current Defence minister Manhohar Parrikar likes to save money and that too in major ways and latest casualty and off from his to-do list, might be the development and construction of India’s Second 65000 tonne Aircraft carrier with Nuclear propulsion. Recent media reports indicate that IAC-2 or INS Vishal is off the priority list of Indian Defence Ministry and Indian Navy is unlikely to get official funding for the project anytime soon due to complex and high development cost enabled with the project after carrying out in depth discussion with American and Russian Industrial partners. The Indian Defence Ministry is now actively considering development of sister Vikrant class conventional indigenous aircraft carrier with added and improved capabilities which might be named INS Virat-II after INS Virat-I which was a British designed Centaur-class aircraft carrier recently decommissioned from the Indian Navy service in keeping with Navy tradition of renaming warships of the same class. Many Defence analysts for long had voiced concern and also had taken a cautious approach on possible development of IAC-2 with Nuclear propulsion due higher developmental and ownership cost involved over a conventional aircraft carrier. India also could have required to carry out considerable amounts of investments in its shipyards to build human and technological expertise to handle repairs on a Nuclear propulsion ship. Ulitmialtey cost seems to be major hurdle which might have forced the Indian Defence Ministry to fall back on conventional aircraft carrier technology to rely on to keep developmental cost low and benefit from prior development of India’s first indigenously developed INS Vikrant-II which is now at the final stages of fitments before it is enters service into Indian Navy by 2018. Will India build another aircraft carrier on the lines of INS Vikrant-II or will decide to develop a 65000 tonne new aircraft carrier with conventional propulsion is the decision which likely will be discussed in coming months closely with all shareholders before final call is taken on the development of the second indigenous aircraft carrier.

http://idrw.org/india-dropping-ins-vishal-ins-virat-ii/ .

I know its not exactly a great source but the prospect of having improved vikrant class carrier thrills me. Always amazing to embrace indigenous weapons.MP is going in the right direction.
@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA

Do you have any info about this?

I have said long back in jan 2016 that skillsets of CSL will be used to build a improved IAC1 follow on ship with a better tonnage. About IAC2, its too much preliminary. The design and requirements are not completely frozen nor is the collaboration /consultant role. The focus is to ensure first indigenous SSN comes out by 2027 - 11-12 years from now. So thats priority.

Secondly as i said few days back, only limited shipyard could do such work. If IN chose Rambilli as the site due to SBC Vishakapatnam being nearby, there needs to be developed a site with minimum 14 m draft to accommodate such a structure. Here the fight was between GRSE and Reliance Defence and Reliance till date has not moved forward about this. So even i9f IAC2 is approved, there is no proper place to build and the site which IN wants is not ready as well. More or less, IAC2 is not shelved but rather delayed a bit.

If this october talks between India Russia makes headway for the Storm ACC to be built in India, perhaps then we might see a new urgency. Eventually IAC2 will also see 2 N-ACC carriers as well.

Check this thread in jan 2016, we had discussed this there
https://defence.pk/threads/2-45000-tons-modified-vikrant-aircraft-carriers.418307/

 

[Abingdonboy]

Is India dropping INS Vishal for INS Virat-II??

Published September 15, 2016 SOURCE: Anand SG / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

India’s Current Defence minister Manhohar Parrikar likes to save money and that too in major ways and latest casualty and off from his to-do list, might be the development and construction of India’s Second 65000 tonne Aircraft carrier with Nuclear propulsion. Recent media reports indicate that IAC-2 or INS Vishal is off the priority list of Indian Defence Ministry and Indian Navy is unlikely to get official funding for the project anytime soon due to complex and high development cost enabled with the project after carrying out in depth discussion with American and Russian Industrial partners. The Indian Defence Ministry is now actively considering development of sister Vikrant class conventional indigenous aircraft carrier with added and improved capabilities which might be named INS Virat-II after INS Virat-I which was a British designed Centaur-class aircraft carrier recently decommissioned from the Indian Navy service in keeping with Navy tradition of renaming warships of the same class. Many Defence analysts for long had voiced concern and also had taken a cautious approach on possible development of IAC-2 with Nuclear propulsion due higher developmental and ownership cost involved over a conventional aircraft carrier. India also could have required to carry out considerable amounts of investments in its shipyards to build human and technological expertise to handle repairs on a Nuclear propulsion ship. Ulitmialtey cost seems to be major hurdle which might have forced the Indian Defence Ministry to fall back on conventional aircraft carrier technology to rely on to keep developmental cost low and benefit from prior development of India’s first indigenously developed INS Vikrant-II which is now at the final stages of fitments before it is enters service into Indian Navy by 2018. Will India build another aircraft carrier on the lines of INS Vikrant-II or will decide to develop a 65000 tonne new aircraft carrier with conventional propulsion is the decision which likely will be discussed in coming months closely with all shareholders before final call is taken on the development of the second indigenous aircraft carrier.

http://idrw.org/india-dropping-ins-vishal-ins-virat-ii/ .

I know its not exactly a great source but the prospect of having improved vikrant class carrier thrills me. Always amazing to embrace indigenous weapons.MP is going in the right direction.
@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA

Do you have any info about this?

I knew this was going to happen (and said as much over a year ago). A sister ship for the IAC-1 was always a logical move.

The way this news is framed it totally asinine though, it is not a zero sum game between inducting the IAC-2 and a sister ship in the IAC-1 class, BOTH will happen, in fact this sister Vikrant will actually aid in the IAC-2's progress as she will preserve the skill sets in India whilst buying time for the tech (EMALS and likely a nuclear reactor now) to mature and be ready for the Vishal class.


A sister Vikrant will be in sea trails from 2023/4 IMHO (meaning India will have 3 AC by 2025) and the Vishal will be in sea trails from 2028-30.


@PARIKRAMA the interesting question now is, the IN has 2 carrier fighter SQNs flying the MiG-29K but by 2022/3 will require 3 times this number (with another 1 SQN's worth in reserve) but has so far shown ZERO interest in ordering more '
29Ks. The only logical explanation is.......Rafale (which can/will also fly on e Vishal from 2028 onwards).

Correct me if I'm being too deluded

 

[Mufflerman]

We wanted 5 years chasing Yankees for the next carrier with all bells and whistles when for the same cost and time we could have ordered 3 follow on Vikram's and laid the steel for he second one by now

 

[Armani]

We wanted 5 years chasing Yankees for the next carrier with all bells and whistles when for the same cost and time we could have ordered 3 follow on Vikram's and laid the steel for he second one by now

We neither wasted any money nor any time. IAC-1 construction was ongoing throughout this period, and all the negotiations with US will be useful for IAC-2, regardless of when it comes.

Plus, other than creating a joint working group to study the available prospects, we didn't really place any orders for any US carrier-related equipment for IAC-2. So saying we spent any money on them which could have been used for more IAC-1s is incorrect.

 

[randomradio]

We have a 2028 time frame for IAC-2. I doubt they will achieve that. So a Vikrant class well before 2028 and a larger carrier based on the Shtorm or better by 2032.

 

[RPK]

Republic of Singapore Navy Ship RSS Persistence departed Port Blair at the end of her goodwill visit. During the visit, the ship's crew had professional exchanges, friendly sports matches and social interaction with personnel of the Indian Navy. On departure from the port, RSS Persistence, INS Karmuk and an IN Dornier aircraft undertook a Passage Exercise (PASSEX), marking a new chapter in inter-operability between the two navies.

 

[Techy]

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @nair @R!CK @Armani @migflug @RPK @sudhir007 @ni8mare and others.. Guys please check the video! Reporter is stating that this ship was launched in 15-16 month period since keel was led, a very impressive timeframe maintained by MDL

 

[R!CK]

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @nair @R!CK @Armani @migflug @RPK @sudhir007 @ni8mare and others.. Guys please check the video! Reporter is stating that this ship was launched in 15-16 month period since keel was led, a very impressive timeframe maintained by MDL

It's true, the milestone was achieved in little over 15 months against the actual plan of 24 months. We can expect this improvement to contribute to an early delivery from 2nd in class and hopefully last ship should be delivered very ahead of schedule. A very good job by MDL and IN as usual.

Good Day!

 

[migflug]

From br

Its quite beautiful.

 

[Acknowledge]

Out surface fleet is coming along nicely, but GoI has ensured our sub surface fleet is in absolute tatters.

They needed to place orders for the new set of 6 subs 5 years ago!

@Abingdonboy

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Press Release from MoD

Ministry of Defence
17-September, 2016 14:59 IST

Mormugao - Second Ship of Project 15b Launched at Mazagaon Docks Mumbai

Another significant milestone in the annals of the Indigenous Warship design and construction programme of India was achieved with the launch of Guided Missile Destroyer, Mormugao, second ship of Project 15B, on 17 Sep 16, at Mazagaon Dock Ship Builders Limited (MDL), Mumbai. With a launch weight of 2844 tonnes, the vessel made its first contact with water at 11:58 AM with full fanfare during the launching ceremony graced by Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Sunil Lanba as the Chief Guest. In keeping with maritime traditions, Smt Reena Lanba, President, Navy Wives Welfare Association (NWWA), broke a coconut on the ship’s bow and launched the ship, as invocation from the Atharva Veda was being rendered.

Speaking on the occasion, the Chief Guest, Admiral Sunil Lanba, Chief of the Naval Staff said that “this event is yet another moment of truth for the Indian Navy and India’s quest for self-reliance and indigenisation. The Indian Navy stands fully committed to the call of ‘Make in India’ and we are extremely proud of the fact that all of our warships and submarines on order today are being constructed within the country”. He further added that this also is “an affirmation of our resolve that the Indian Navy should attain a size and capability that is commensurate with India’s growing stature in the world, our national maritime interests, and our commitment to cooperation and collaboration towards ensuring secure seas for shaping a favourable and positive maritime environment.

The Admiral also commended the synergic partnership of MDL, Indian Navy, DRDO, OFB, BEL, other public sector enterprises and the private industry in ensuring that force levels are made available to meet India’s National strategic objectives. He also congratulated DGND and his team at Directorate of Naval Design for designing state of the art warships and contributing towards achieving Indian Navy’s dream of transforming from a “Buyers” to a “Builders” Navy.

Project 15B ships feature cutting edge advanced technology and are comparable to the best ships of similar class anywhere in the world. These ships have been designed indigenously by the Directorate of Naval Design, New Delhi. Each ship spans 163 metres in length and 17.4 metres at beam and displaces 7300 tonnes. These ships will be propelled by four gas turbines to achieve speeds in excess of 30 knots. The P15B destroyers incorporate new design concepts for improved survivability, sea keeping, stealth and ship manoeuvrability. Enhanced stealth features have been achieved through shaping of hull and use of radar transparent deck fittings which make these ships difficult to detect. P 15B ships will be equipped to carry and operate two multiple role helicopters.

These ships are packed with an array of state of the art weapons and sensors, including vertically launched missile system for long distance engagement of shore, sea-based and air targets. With significant indigenous content, these ships are a true hall-mark of self reliance attained by our country in warship design and ship building.

BRIEF ON PROJECT 15B – SUPPLEMENTARY INFO

Four Guided missile Destroyers of Project 15B (P 15B) are under construction at M/s Mazagaon Dock Shipbuilders Limited, Mumbai. The contract for construction of these four ships was signed on 28 Jan 11. These ships are amongst the most technologically advanced Guided Missile Destroyers of the world, with state-of-the-art weapon/sensor package, advanced stealth features and a high degree of automation. The design of P15B ships has been developed in house by the Directorate of Naval Design.

With a displacement of 7300 tons, each ship will span 163 meters in length and 17.4 meters at the beam. These ships will be propelled by four gas turbines in Combined Gas and Gas (COGAG) configuration and are capable of achieving speeds in excess of 30 knots with a maximum endurance of 4000 nm.

The P15B destroyers incorporate new design concepts for improved survivability, sea keeping, stealth and ship maneuverability. These ships will be equipped to carry and operate two multi-role helicopters. State of art rail less helo traversing system is being introduced on these ships for efficient helicopter handling onboard.

These ships can truly be classified as possessing a Network of Networks, as they are equipped with Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS), Ship Data Network (SDN), Automatic Power Management System (APMS) and Combat Management System (CMS). While control and monitoring of machinery and auxiliaries is achieved through the IPMS, power management is done using the APMS. The CMS performs threat evaluation and resource allocation based on the tactical picture compiled and ammunition available onboard. The SDN is the information highway on which data from all the sensors and weapons ride.

Stealth has been a major thrust area in P15B design. Enhanced stealth features have been achieved through shaping of hull and use of radar transparent deck fittings which make these ships difficult to detect. The ship embodies features such as Multiple Fire Zones, Total Atmospheric Control System (TACS) for Air Conditioning, Battle Damage Control Systems (BDCS), Distributional Power Systems and Emergency DA to enhance survivability and reliability in emergent scenarios.

These ships have been designed for a complement of 50 officers and 250 sailors. The accommodation and working spaces have been designed with special emphasis on ergonomics and habitability.

The ship’s “fire power” consists of sophisticated weapons-sensor suite including vertically launched Surface to Air Missiles (SAM) and Surface-to-Surface Missiles (SSM) for long distance engagement of shore and sea based targets. It is also noteworthy that this ship has significantly high indigenous content, in the form of weapons, machinery and material. These ships therefore showcase the Nation’s growing capability in developing and delivering complex warships, which serves as a true hall mark of self reliance attained by our country in warship design and construction. This high level of indigenization has been achieved through participation of both public and private sector.

The second ship of P15B Yard 12705, christened, Mormugao, is planned to be launched on 17 Sep 16 at MDL, Mumbai, and will be the fifth frontline warship, including the indigenous aircraft carrier, being launched in last six years, in addition to the delivery of three frigates, three destroyers and two corvettes during the same period.

DKS/RS
(Release ID :150861)

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Ministry of Defence17-September, 2016 16:43 IST
Visit of Indian Warship TRIKAND to Maputo, Mozambique (17- 20 September 2016)


In a demonstration of India’s commitment to its ties with Mozambique and of Indian Navy’s increasing footprint and operational reach, Indian Naval Ship Trikand has arrived at Maputo on a three days visit, as part of deployment of the Western Fleet to the countries on the East Coast of Africa and Island nations in the Western Indian Ocean. The ship is part of the Indian Navy’s Western Fleet based at Mumbai under the Western Naval Command and is on a two month deployment to the Western Indian Ocean, along with Indian Naval ships Kolkata and Aditya.
The visit is aimed at enhancing bilateral ties, strengthening the existing bonds of friendship and reinforcing cooperation in maritime security between India and Mozambique. During the stay in harbour, various activities are planned which includes official calls, cultural events and professional interaction between the two navies. During the stay, the ship would also be open to public for onboard visits. At the helm of the ship is the Commanding Officer, Captain Arjun Dev Nair who is assisted by a team of professional and highly motivated men of the Indian Navy.

Maritime links between India and Mozambique date back several centuries. The large Indian diaspora present in Mozambique has contributed actively in promoting our shared socio-cultural heritage and common values. The recently concluded visit of India’s Prime Minister Shri Narendra Modi further strengthened the strong relationship between the two countries. Bilateral trade has also grown steadily in different sectors, including precious and semi-precious stones, agricultural products, petroleum products, pharmaceuticals, textiles, steel, sugar and cement. The growing defence cooperation between the two countries is evident by the increasing frequency of port visits by naval ships. The last such visit by IN ship to Mozambique was on 17 November 2014 when Indian Naval Ship Teg visited Nacala. The current visit seeks to strengthen the existing bonds of friendship between India and Mozambique and underscore India’s peaceful presence and solidarity with friendly countries of the region.

DKS/GY

(Release ID :150863)