Indian Navy News & Discussions

[Abingdonboy]

I don't know why i have a feeling that HMS Prince of Charles will be offered to us or maybe France by UK by 2022-23 and the offer will be so attractive that it will be hard for any of us to leave it.....
Which will create hurdle for our 2nd indigenous Aircraft carrier....

It has been offered to India in the past (well one of the QE class) but the IN turned it down for a number of reasons:

1) The IN is FAR more interested in getting a carrier of their design
2) IN is now fixated on getting a CATOBAR carrier (with EMALS), PoW is not capable of CATOBAR ops
3) The IN wants commonality with their airwing, having a STOBAR (IAC-1/Viky), V/STOL and future CATOBAR carrier will screw this up entirely.
4) The timelines involved don't fit with the IN's gradual build up- having 3 carriers by 2024-5 will be a HUGE expansion in a very short timespan and will be outside of what the IN has planned for. It is highly time consuming and exhaustive to train a full carrier crew, will the IN be able to train 9+ to operate 3 carriers within the next 7 or so years with only 1 full time carrier (Vikky) during that time (IAC-1 will be in sea trails for much of that time)? I'd say it's doubtful especially when you consider the lack of commonality across the carriers- all 3 would be of entirely different classes/designs/origins that would add their own complications to train the crews.
5) The strain 3 carriers would place on the fleet as a whole in so far as providing escorts would be quite immense. In the 2017-24/5 period the IN is also planning on inducting 4 LHD/LPD that woud require their own escorts, adding another carrier into the mix when the IN has not had time to adjust their plans doesn't seem like it would work out well.
6) The PoW itself is very very expensive for what it is ( a V/STOL carrier)
7) Can the IN get an airwing for the PoW by 2024/5 whilst at the same time searching for an entirely different airwing for the IAC-1? Having the PoW offered cheap is one thing but the airwing is going to be an IMMENSE outlay that the IN has not budgeted for and they likely don't have any room whatsoever for such a massive additional commitment considering how little budget they receive (just 16% of the entire defence budget).

The IN's current long term plan is for 2 operational Carriers by 2022, 4 by 2032 and 5 by 2035; a nice gradual build up. There is no room for the PoW.

 

[RISING SUN]

India to block Australia from naval exercise amid concerns it could inflame diplomatic tensions with China
An Australian Defence Force bid to join multilateral naval exercises is poised to be blocked by India over concerns it could inflame diplomatic tensions with China.

For a quarter of a century military assets from the United States and India, and more recently Japan, have come together for joint annual naval drills known as Exercise Malabar, north of Australia.

In 2007 Australia took part in the Malabar Exercises, but withdrew from the quadrilateral drills and accompanying security talks following concerns expressed by Beijing.

The ABC has learnt that in the past few weeks Australia's Defence attaché to New Delhi has requested that India allow the ADF to attend this year's exercises as an official "observer".

Yesterday during a visit to Tokyo, Defence Minister Marise Payne acknowledged Australia's desire to join the military event in July.
"Australia is very interested in a quadrilateral engagement with India, Japan and the United States," Senator Payne said.

"What form that may take is a matter of discussion between our various countries."

In a statement to the ABC the Defence Department said "Australia has regularly discussed the matter of the Australian Defence Force's involvement in Exercise Malabar with India since 2015.

"Australia and India are looking to capitalise on the positive momentum of our defence relationship, to deepen engagement, increase consistency and complexity of our activities."

However, in India there has been growing speculation among military officials that New Delhi will shortly reject Australia's request to take part in this year's exercises, also because of concerns over China's possible reaction to the move.

The Defence Department said "India has not indicated whether the Australian Defence Force will be invited to the Exercise Malabar in 2017".
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...from-naval-exercise-china/8459896?pfmredir=sm

 

[RISING SUN]

http://dailysignal.com/2017/04/21/the-importance-of-expanding-us-indian-naval-cooperation/

 

[Vishwabalas]

Hello friends, I'm sorry that this off topic (I'll delete the post later). I have a request, I need to translate something from English to Sanskrit and all the translators online can translate only by word, I need to translate a whole phrase. Maybe someone here knows of an online resource for that or maybe someone knows Sanskrit. The phrase that I need to translate is "Be a light onto yourself". I need to use it for some Buddhist artwork that I'm doing and I need to carve it into a sculpture. Thanks in advance. Very much appreciated if someone can help.

That would be ,

"Jyotir aham virajaa vipaatma"

Why do you need this translation ? It would mean nothing to somebody who don't know Sanskrit.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

It has been offered to India in the past (well one of the QE class) but the IN turned it down for a number of reasons:

1) The IN is FAR more interested in getting a carrier of their design
2) IN is now fixated on getting a CATOBAR carrier (with EMALS), PoW is not capable of CATOBAR ops
3) The IN wants commonality with their airwing, having a STOBAR (IAC-1/Viky), V/STOL and future CATOBAR carrier will screw this up entirely.
4) The timelines involved don't fit with the IN's gradual build up- having 3 carriers by 2024-5 will be a HUGE expansion in a very short timespan and will be outside of what the IN has planned for. It is highly time consuming and exhaustive to train a full carrier crew, will the IN be able to train 9+ to operate 3 carriers within the next 7 or so years with only 1 full time carrier (Vikky) during that time (IAC-1 will be in sea trails for much of that time)? I'd say it's doubtful especially when you consider the lack of commonality across the carriers- all 3 would be of entirely different classes/designs/origins that would add their own complications to train the crews.
5) The strain 3 carriers would place on the fleet as a whole in so far as providing escorts would be quite immense. In the 2017-24/5 period the IN is also planning on inducting 4 LHD/LPD that woud require their own escorts, adding another carrier into the mix when the IN has not had time to adjust their plans doesn't seem like it would work out well.
6) The PoW itself is very very expensive for what it is ( a V/STOL carrier)
7) Can the IN get an airwing for the PoW by 2024/5 whilst at the same time searching for an entirely different airwing for the IAC-1? Having the PoW offered cheap is one thing but the airwing is going to be an IMMENSE outlay that the IN has not budgeted for and they likely don't have any room whatsoever for such a massive additional commitment considering how little budget they receive (just 16% of the entire defence budget).

The IN's current long term plan is for 2 operational Carriers by 2022, 4 by 2032 and 5 by 2035; a nice gradual build up. There is no room for the PoW.

Wait a minute.

As far as I know, IAC-1 was set to be operational by 2023, and IAC-2 by 2030. How is it that then we have 4 carriers by 2032? and 5 by 2035?

I have not even heard anything of any carrier under consideration over the 3rd one, the under planning, IAC-2.

 

[Vishwabalas]

Thank you very much, but I need it in the Sanskrit writing, not in English alphabet.

I'm making a Buddhist sculpture for a temple in Vietnam and it needs to have that phrase carved into it. It needs to be preferably in Sanskrit since it is a Hindu type of sculpture and it needs to reflect the ancient style as much as possible, so Sanskrit is the way to go.

People will know the meaning of the Sanskrit text because there will be a plaque explaining the details of the sculpture including that text.

Sanskrit can be written in any text.

The Devanagari script which is now used for Sanskrit is of a more recent origin. (2000 years old) The first script to use sanskrit is the Brahmi script which not many can read.

Why not just use Vietnamese script ?

Thank you very much, but I need it in the Sanskrit writing, not in English alphabet.

I'm making a Buddhist sculpture for a temple in Vietnam and it needs to have that phrase carved into it. It needs to be preferably in Sanskrit since it is a Hindu type of sculpture and it needs to reflect the ancient style as much as possible, so Sanskrit is the way to go.

People will know the meaning of the Sanskrit text because there will be a plaque explaining the details of the sculpture including that text.

ज्योतिरहं विरजा विपाप्मा ॥

 

[Vishwabalas]

The Devanagari script would be just perfect. The sculpture is based on the ancient Hindu style so to use anything other than Sanskrit would really mess it up.

ज्योतिरहं विरजा विपाप्मा ॥

Fair warning: I am not an expert, just knowledgeable. I would recommend you get it whetted by another expert.

 

[Vishwabalas]

Thank you very much, you made my day.

I will delete these posts in a little bit so as not to mess up the thread.

No problem, glad to be of help.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Wait a minute.

As far as I know, IAC-1 was set to be operational by 2023, and IAC-2 by 2030. How is it that then we have 4 carriers by 2032? and 5 by 2035?

I have not even heard anything of any carrier under consideration over the 3rd one, the under planning, IAC-2.

IAC-1 will be handed over to the IN for sea trails in Dec 2018-March 2019, operational 24 months after that. A sister ship to the IAC-1 will likely to be ordered to keep CSL busy, she will be handed over by mid-2020s, IAC-2 by 2032 (work to commence in the mid-2020s) and a sister ship to IAC-2 by 2035.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

IAC-1 will be handed over to the IN for sea trails in Dec 2018-March 2019, operational 24 months after that. A sister ship to the IAC-1 will likely to be ordered to keep CSL busy, she will be handed over by mid-2020s, IAC-2 by 2032 (work to commence in the mid-2020s) and a sister ship to IAC-2 by 2035.

Wow where do I begin with this.

Firstly the CAC report says that the aircraft carrier will be functional only around 2023. I know the Navy denies this. I hope they are right. Let's see.

Second I have totally not heard about any sister to IAC 1 being considered. None at all. They are only talking about IAC 2.

Then your sister ship of IAC2 is also not mentioned anywhere. Nowhere at all.

In fact you think that we will float within 3 years a sister ship. That is too optimistic given the lack of experience that we have in ship building.

Can you give me some sources if you have some? Or is this your speculation?

 

[monitor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/855732328492027904

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Wow where do I begin with this.

Firstly the CAC report says that the aircraft carrier will be functional only around 2023. I know the Navy denies this. I hope they are right. Let's see.

Second I have totally not heard about any sister to IAC 1 being considered. None at all. They are only talking about IAC 2.

Then your sister ship of IAC2 is also not mentioned anywhere. Nowhere at all.

In fact you think that we will float within 3 years a sister ship. That is too optimistic given the lack of experience that we have in ship building.

Can you give me some sources if you have some? Or is this your speculation?

The point is that The Dream of Nuclear powered Aircraft Carrier is proving to be very difficult and expensive

So we have to fall back on Conventional carriers only

 

[RISING SUN]

India’s Responsibility towards Somalia and Maritime Security
The recent string of pirate attacks off Somalia signals resurgence of this menace to international shipping and trade. Even as the presence of Indian Navy in these waters helped mitigate some of the attacks, it is imperative for India to take lead and actively engage all the responsible stakeholders to direct international efforts in tackling the root causes of this threat to international maritime security.

Over 700 attacks took place during the previous spell of pirate attacks off Somalia and Western Indian Ocean spanning 2008-2011 with about 750 persons held hostage in 2011, the peak year of piracy. The World Bank had estimated that the cost to global economy due to Somali piracy as $18 billion annually. Delays in shipping, ransoms to pirates, insurance premiums, changes in trade routes, installation of security measures onboard ships etc. contributed to this cost.

The mobilisation of international navies of Europe, India etc. aided by United Nations resolutions helped mitigate this threat. However, observers have warned last year that piracy off Somalia would resurge owing to political instability in Somalia as well as the inadequacy of international community in addressing the root cause of this threat.

Somalis are dependent on fishing for their livelihood. The civil war in the country had left no proper authority to safeguard the territorial seas and exclusive economic zone (EEZ) resulting in illegal fishing as well as dumping of hazardous waste material by foreign entities along Somalia’s coast. The use of dragnets and other banned mechanisms to catch fish has also contributed to the decline of fisheries in Somalia’s waters.

Calling themselves as “saviors of the sea,” the Somali pirates started attacking these fishing trawlers stealing the produce as well as holding the crew for ransom as sort of a “tax.” The attacks got extended to commercial shipping vessels as well as luxury cruises eventually, with the fishing trawlers buying protection from local warlords.

This ground situation seems to remain unchanged, which is re-fueling resentment amongst Somali population leading to the resurgence of pirate attacks. The naval forces were able to hot pursuit pirate ships even within the Somalian territorial waters, conduct special operations, trial and imprison the pirates in various countries. However, the desperate Somali youth unable to find meaningful jobs on land or the sea are compelled to resort to piracy again while the lack of proper enforcement authority to safeguard Somalia’s territorial and EEZ waters is abetting the breeding conditions.

Somalia had made several requests to the international community to help it combat piracy. In addition to contributions from individual countries, the United Nations Security Council has passed resolutions establishing United Nations Assistance Mission in Somalia with a mandate to stabilise Somalia. Somalia’s transitional federal governments as well as autonomous states – Somaliland and Puntland have entered into agreements with several firms and private organisations for thwarting piracy, but in vain.

In this situation, it is incumbent upon India to engage all the responsible stakeholders, particularly different autonomous administrations in Somalia, to attain the twin objectives of combating ongoing piracy attempts as well as build partner capacity enabling Somalia safeguard its waters. This should be a specific interest based arrangement to negate any misperception in Somalia against India as influencing its domestic politics.

India is undertaking various measures to combat traditional and non-traditional maritime security threats in the Indian Ocean. The Indian Navy and the Indian Coast Guard routinely exercises with their counterparts in the Indian Ocean building partner capacity enhancing the security of sea lines of communication and safeguarding the EEZs.

India should also consider building partner capacity of Somalia by re-organising, training and equipping its coast guard. New Delhi can deploy a long-term task force to the region for this purpose. The task force could meet its logistical requirements under the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) with the United States given the close proximity of Djibouti to the troubled region.

The recent raids by Somali security forces freeing an Indian cargo ship as well as the crew taken hostage by the pirates shows the skill, seriousness and ambition on part of Somalia to combat piracy. This is a welcoming development for India to actively engage relevant agencies to safeguard the maritime global commons.

The Indian Navy along with upgraded Somali coast guard could simultaneously thwart pirate attacks as well as illegal fishing trawlers and dumping of waste material in Somalia’s waters. By apprehending such illegal ships and crews, India can establish trust with Somalia and work towards eradicating the social and economic conditions breeding piracy.

India has growing interests in West Asia and Africa. The European and West Asian countries are mired with problems related to illegal migration, civil wars and power dynamics. Somalia requires a credible, assuring partner to combat piracy. These situations call upon India to make a practical assessment of its intentions and capabilities as a responsible power and take initiative in this situation.
https://defenceaviationpost.com/indias-responsibility-towards-somalia-maritime-security/

 

[RISING SUN]

41 ships to join fleet soon


Forty-one ships of different variants, including an aircraft carrier, and submarines, including the nuclear ones and Scorpenes, are expected to the join the Indian Navy in the next couple of years.

This was disclosed by Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sunil Lanba, here on Thursday.

He was interacting with the media after giving away awards and medals at the Naval Investiture Ceremony at the Eastern Naval Command here.

According to Admiral Lanba, the vessels were being built at different shipyards, that include government-owned and private enterprises at various places in the country. “The Indian Navy is in fine fettle and is a potent blue water force. And the induction of these ships and subs will definitely enhance its strength further,” he said.

Referring to a question on the impact of CPEC (China-Pakistan Economic Corridor), he said that it was already notified by the Indian government that it passes through some sections of India and we have taken note of it.

INS Viraat

On whether INS Viraat would be given to Andhra Pradesh, Admiral Lanba said,

“The aircraft carrier has been decommissioned on March 6, and it is now primarily the decision of the Ministry of Defence. But the Andhra Pradesh government had approached the MoD on 50-50 sharing basis, which I understand has been rejected by the MoD. The option is still open and it all depends on further negotiations.”
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-pape...-ships-to-join-fleet-soon/article18170968.ece

Admiral Sunil Lanba shares long term plans to expand Indian Navy's strength
The 41 ships and submarines which are expected to join the Indian Navy are at various stages of building at different public sector shipyards, according to Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sunil Lanba.

Admiral Lanba was in Visakhapatnam to present the President's gallantry and non-gallantry awards to the officers and sailors at the investiture ceremony at INS Circars Parade Ground.

Interacting with media, he said that the Indian Navy is having long term plans to augment its strength on the eastern seaboard, it would have ships, submarines including nuclear powered submarines, aircrafts and manpower shortly.
The role and responsibility of Indian Navy, Admiral Lanba said, has been growing due to various factors and a potent blue water force in the Indian Ocean region.

The navy chief did not rule out the possibility of conceding Andhra Pradesh government's request for conversion of the recently decommissioned INS Viraat into a museum. "The Ministry of Defence had turned down the request for it on the basis of sharing the maintenance cost on 50/50 basis. But, it can be renegotiated", he said.

Earlier at a glittering ceremony, Admiral Lanba presented President's gallantry and non-gallantry awards to 33 naval officers and sailors in recognition of their courage and outstanding contribution .Addressing a huge gathering of officers, sailors and their families, the navy chief recalled their outstanding and brave contribution and also thanked the family members of the award winners for their support to the service personnel in their performance of duty. Navy's role in shaping the economy of the country has been growing and the core values - Duty, Honour and Courage forms the fundamental traits expected from all naval personnel, he added.

Lanba said he firmly believed that it is the team work and never say die attitude of naval personnel that has made the Indian navy a strong and capable maritime force in the world. The leadership, foresight and devotion to duty displayed by naval personnel has enabled a steady growth of our service and transformed us into a blue water navy.

Awardees: Lt Cdr Vikash Kumar Narwal, Lt Cdr Neeraj Kumar, Veer Singh Chief Petty Officer Clearance Diver I and Rakesh Kumar Hull Artificer-4 (posthumously) were awarded Nao Sena Medals (Gallantry) for their indomitable courage, conspicuous gallantry and outstanding professionalism. Other awards presented included eight Nao Sena Medals for Devotion to Duty, sixteen Vishisht Seva Medals.

Sarvottam Jeeven Rakshak Padak awarded to Cdr Shishir Kumar Yadavannavar (posthumous), Jeeven Rakshak Padak to Lt Cdr Kapil Kumar Shishodia and Shri Neelkant Ramesh Harikantra LASCAR-1. Captain Ravi Dhir Medal was awarded to Aravind Marisamy Master Chief Air Artificer II and Lieutenant VK Jain Memorial Gold Medal was awarded to Commander Ravi Kumar Singh.

Admiral Lanba also presented unit citation to two afloat units and six shore establishments who have delivered exceptional performance over the past one year. These include IN Ships Trikand, Sunayna, IN Air Squadron 312A, Command Clearance Diving Team, Mumbai, INS Eksila at Visakhapatnam, Naval Ship Repair Yard, Karwar, Base Victualling Yard, Kochi and INS Kardip in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Naval Dockyard, Mumbai and INS Shivaji at Lonavala, Maharastra were awarded with the 'CNS Trophy for Best Green Practices' for the environment friendly and green initiatives.
http://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/...ndian-navys-strength/articleshow/58281874.cms

 

[Abingdonboy]