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Still no progression of the S-70B deal :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:


The MLU contract for a small number of Russian junk is nothing to celebrate when the IN's sub-surface threat profile is expanding and their largest capital assets are having to pool aviation assets which themselves are 30-40+ years old.
Bro ..Its something better than nothing !!!.... Progress... Slow Progress!
 
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Indian Navy's submarine-hunting Kamov-28 choppers to get major upgrade after Parrikar intervention
After a contract signed between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and Russian manufacturer yesterday, India can now look forward to an enhanced and upgraded set of submarine hunting helicopters.
Jugal R Purohit | Posted by Arpan Rai
New Delhi, July 30, 2016


  • Indian Navy to enhance the effectiveness of ten submarine hunting helicopters.
  • Contract signed between the Ministry of Defence and Russian manufacturer.
  • All ten copters will be modernized with upgraded sensors.

Enemy submarines lurking in waters of India's interest will soon find their stay to be uncomfortable.

Overcoming eight years of stalling and stagnation, Indian Navy (IN) has finally signed on the dotted line to enhance the effectiveness of its ten submarine hunting helicopters, the Russian Kamov-28.

India Today has learnt that after a personal intervention and push by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, a contract to that effect was signed yesterday between the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and Russian manufacturer Rosoboronexport. All ten copters will be modernized, sensors upgraded and delivered at regular intervals over the coming five years.

The total value of the contract is believed to be upwards of Rs 2000 crore.

The manufacturer, contract says, will amalgamate these copters with state of the art sensors and equipment it will procure from a slew of European firms. It was learnt that such an effort has been attempted for the very first time. Towards that, the helicopters will be first sent to Kumertau in Russia at the facility of Russian Helicopters where they will undergo a technical overhaul to enhance the aircraft's life and performance.

Once done, copters will be brought to Vizag, home of IN's Eastern Naval Command (ENC). At Vizag, naval air station Dega has been selected as the place where the sensors will be fitted and final assembly done. From that point, the copters will be available for the IN. Since Russia does not allow the import of European equipment, personnel from Russian helicopters will carry out the job in Vizag.


Of the ten Kamov-28 helicopters that were procured from the then Soviet Union, in the mid-80s, only four are in flying condition today. The remaining have been mothballed for spares, it was learnt.

"We are today making do with the technology of mid-80s, carrying out Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) roles to detect modern enemy submarines. The importance of this chopper can be understood by the fact that they can operate from the five Rajput class destroyers, the Talwar and Teg class of frigates and are designated to perform ASW role for aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya," said a source.

The biggest threat to India's maritime interests and its own fleet comes from enemy submarines. While every warship has a hull-mounted sonar for tracking submarines beneath, experts believe that few can match the potency of an ASW helicopter.

It is also the case that in the waters of Arabian Sea, Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean, due to composition and currents, hull-mounted sonar often lose their edge, a point where ASW helicopters with their dunking sonars come in handy. Another reason why helicopters are favoured is because while they can hunt a submarine, there is no way a submarine can detect, far less hunt down a chopper.

The other helicopter that the Navy has for ASW roles is the Seaking Mk.42B which is rapidly ageing and is stretched.

The case for the Mid Life Upgrade (MLU) of Kamov 28 was moved by the Navy in 2008, bids for which were opened in 2012. One of the reasons for the case staling was the VVIP helicopter scandal. As one of the firms which was to supply the radar, Selex Galileo, was a subsidiary of the tainted firm Finmeccanica, the MoD was careful about progressing.

Following long-winding, inter-ministerial consultations the MoD moved ahead as Selex Galileo was a sub contractor of the Rosobornexport. "The MoD has nothing to do with them. This is as per the guidelines which have been promulgated by the ministry," explained a source. In fact, the MoD even sought a clearance from the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) for progressing in this case and managed one.

WHAT DOES KAMOV 28 BRING TO THE NAVY?

  1. Maximum height achieved in flight 5000m
  2. Maximum range 900km
  3. Maximum flight speed 250km/hr
  4. Maximum take-off weight 12000kg
  5. Can person search and attack roles and to do so, it can carry bombs, torpedos and missiles on board



NAVY'S HELICOPTER WOES

Navy suffers from a massive gap in its ASW capabilities. But that is not it.

There has been no sizeable acquisition in over a decade to boost its helicopter arm. With a requirement of over 100 helicopters across different categories, and yet going nowhere, the Navy's predicament is clear.

The Indian Navy had to get 16 choppers as a direct replacement for Seaking Mk.42A helicopters which came with the INS Viraat in 1987 and were decommissioned by the end of the century. Categorised as 'Multi Role Helicopter' acquisition, it is yet to take off.

Then there is the Naval Utility Helicopter (NUH) deal to replace the Chetaks, introduced to the Indian armed forces in the 60s, with choppers of 4.5 ton class. In addition, Indian Navy is also looking at Naval Multi Role helicopters of a larger tonnage. It is all hanging in balance, for now.

As a result of this, modern warships, often built at a staggering expense to the exchequer, are roaming the seas without vital helicopters on board. Many warships, which have two hangars on board are steaming past without even a single helicopter on board. "Overall availability of choppers is less than 20 per cent in the Navy".

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...arine-hunting-kamov-28-choppers/1/727853.html
 
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Here is the article

Indian Navy's submarine-hunting Kamov-28 choppers to get major upgrade after Parrikar intervention
After a contract signed between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and Russian manufacturer yesterday, India can now look forward to an enhanced and upgraded set of submarine hunting helicopters.
Jugal R Purohit | Posted by Arpan Rai
New Delhi, July 30, 2016


  • Indian Navy to enhance the effectiveness of ten submarine hunting helicopters.
  • Contract signed between the Ministry of Defence and Russian manufacturer.
  • All ten copters will be modernized with upgraded sensors.

Enemy submarines lurking in waters of India's interest will soon find their stay to be uncomfortable.

Overcoming eight years of stalling and stagnation, Indian Navy (IN) has finally signed on the dotted line to enhance the effectiveness of its ten submarine hunting helicopters, the Russian Kamov-28.

India Today has learnt that after a personal intervention and push by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, a contract to that effect was signed yesterday between the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and Russian manufacturer Rosoboronexport. All ten copters will be modernized, sensors upgraded and delivered at regular intervals over the coming five years.

The total value of the contract is believed to be upwards of Rs 2000 crore.

The manufacturer, contract says, will amalgamate these copters with state of the art sensors and equipment it will procure from a slew of European firms. It was learnt that such an effort has been attempted for the very first time. Towards that, the helicopters will be first sent to Kumertau in Russia at the facility of Russian Helicopters where they will undergo a technical overhaul to enhance the aircraft's life and performance.

Once done, copters will be brought to Vizag, home of IN's Eastern Naval Command (ENC). At Vizag, naval air station Dega has been selected as the place where the sensors will be fitted and final assembly done. From that point, the copters will be available for the IN. Since Russia does not allow the import of European equipment, personnel from Russian helicopters will carry out the job in Vizag.


Of the ten Kamov-28 helicopters that were procured from the then Soviet Union, in the mid-80s, only four are in flying condition today. The remaining have been mothballed for spares, it was learnt.

"We are today making do with the technology of mid-80s, carrying out Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) roles to detect modern enemy submarines. The importance of this chopper can be understood by the fact that they can operate from the five Rajput class destroyers, the Talwar and Teg class of frigates and are designated to perform ASW role for aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya," said a source.

The biggest threat to India's maritime interests and its own fleet comes from enemy submarines. While every warship has a hull-mounted sonar for tracking submarines beneath, experts believe that few can match the potency of an ASW helicopter.

It is also the case that in the waters of Arabian Sea, Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean, due to composition and currents, hull-mounted sonar often lose their edge, a point where ASW helicopters with their dunking sonars come in handy. Another reason why helicopters are favoured is because while they can hunt a submarine, there is no way a submarine can detect, far less hunt down a chopper.

The other helicopter that the Navy has for ASW roles is the Seaking Mk.42B which is rapidly ageing and is stretched.

The case for the Mid Life Upgrade (MLU) of Kamov 28 was moved by the Navy in 2008, bids for which were opened in 2012. One of the reasons for the case staling was the VVIP helicopter scandal. As one of the firms which was to supply the radar, Selex Galileo, was a subsidiary of the tainted firm Finmeccanica, the MoD was careful about progressing.

Following long-winding, inter-ministerial consultations the MoD moved ahead as Selex Galileo was a sub contractor of the Rosobornexport. "The MoD has nothing to do with them. This is as per the guidelines which have been promulgated by the ministry," explained a source. In fact, the MoD even sought a clearance from the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) for progressing in this case and managed one.

WHAT DOES KAMOV 28 BRING TO THE NAVY?

  1. Maximum height achieved in flight 5000m
  2. Maximum range 900km
  3. Maximum flight speed 250km/hr
  4. Maximum take-off weight 12000kg
  5. Can person search and attack roles and to do so, it can carry bombs, torpedos and missiles on board



NAVY'S HELICOPTER WOES

Navy suffers from a massive gap in its ASW capabilities. But that is not it.

There has been no sizeable acquisition in over a decade to boost its helicopter arm. With a requirement of over 100 helicopters across different categories, and yet going nowhere, the Navy's predicament is clear.

The Indian Navy had to get 16 choppers as a direct replacement for Seaking Mk.42A helicopters which came with the INS Viraat in 1987 and were decommissioned by the end of the century. Categorised as 'Multi Role Helicopter' acquisition, it is yet to take off.

Then there is the Naval Utility Helicopter (NUH) deal to replace the Chetaks, introduced to the Indian armed forces in the 60s, with choppers of 4.5 ton class. In addition, Indian Navy is also looking at Naval Multi Role helicopters of a larger tonnage. It is all hanging in balance, for now.

As a result of this, modern warships, often built at a staggering expense to the exchequer, are roaming the seas without vital helicopters on board. Many warships, which have two hangars on board are steaming past without even a single helicopter on board. "Overall availability of choppers is less than 20 per cent in the Navy".

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...arine-hunting-kamov-28-choppers/1/727853.html
Seriously Parrikar intervened and HE saved the day??? SORRY Calling this BS!!!:pissed:

It is a face SAVER for Parrikar who has come to realize that Blacklisting Finmeccanica was committing Harakiri! ( Egg to all the ppl who supported his decision without thinking of the consequences ..... Egg on u again)

Anyone read Trishul Blog... Not a Hug fan of him, STILL He has really good opinions and he had sort of predicted this would happen!
 
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What is it between S-70B and Indian Navy guys? Every once in a while a story shows up about it and I see nothing which confuses me because I see no reason for India not getting this platform both financally and politically.
 
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What is it between S-70B and Indian Navy guys? Every once in a while a story shows up about it and I see nothing which confuses me because I see no reason for India not getting this platform both financally and politically.
It is sadly our Defence procurement system which is very very long and tests the patience of every business entity and people involved.

S70B is the need of the hour but resource allocation and willpower to expedite the procurement process (bureaucratic redtape an issue too) are the major hurdles.

@Abingdonboy
 
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It is sadly our Defence procurement system which is very very long and tests the patience of every business entity and people involved.

S70B is the need of the hour but resource allocation and willpower to expedite the procurement process (bureaucratic redtape an issue too) are the major hurdles.

@Abingdonboy
Unfortunately, this kamvo upgrade was a bad decision by our DM. New S70B would take what 350cr, 30 year old kamvo will take 200cr and it will take 5 years. Blame the system where upgrade is easy and import is hard.

There are also S70B as US military surplus, Israel just brought them. Who would thought of that, rite?
 
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Unfortunately, this kamvo upgrade was a bad decision by our DM. New S70B would take what 350cr, 30 year old kamvo will take 200cr and it will take 5 years. Blame the system where upgrade is easy and import is hard.

There are also S70B as US military surplus, Israel just brought them. Who would thought of that, rite?
Don't think its a bad idea. The Ka's are been upgrade to a pretty impressive ASW system + Training, certification are already in place (less time for commissioning) and Now hopefully the maintenance and spares will be sorted out. Also i did read some where that a Ka 28 with the Selex system has already be integrated and tested - this aircraft was the reason that Selex won the tender!

BUT Yes i would agree that the no. of Helo ASW asset are less and more helos need to be inducted , SO hopefully soon the S70 :)
 
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£193M SUBMARINE CONTRACT BUOYS JAMES FISHER

James Fisher and Sons, the marine services provider headquartered at Barrow-in-Furness, has signed a £193m submarine rescue service contract with the Indian Navy.

The company has announced that its subsidiary JFD has been awarded the contract by the Indian Navy for the long-term provision of its submarine escape and rescue capability.

The contract entails the design and production of two complete submarine rescue systems for £83m by December 2018 to be assembled and produced at JFD's Inchinnan facility near Glasgow.

A 25-year in-service support contract covering all aspects of the operation and maintenance of the system will commence when the vessels are put into service in India.

Two complete submarine rescue systems will be delivered to the Indian Navy including deep search and rescue vehicles (DSRV), launch and recovery systems (LARS) equipment, transfer under pressure (TUP) systems and all logistics and support equipment required to operate the service.

Nick Henry, chief executive of James Fisher and Sons, said: "As the global leader in submarine rescue services, James Fisher has been awarded the contract by demonstrating, through its work with the Royal Navy, the Australian Navy and the Singapore Navy, a commitment to the safety of the global submarine community over many years.

"We look forward to working with the Indian Navy at the start of this long-term relationship."

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northwest/193m-submarine-contract-buoys-james-fisher
 
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