Indian Navy News & Discussions

[tarrar]

First of all, wrong place to start your thread & secondly wrong title.

Let me assure PN is not sleeping & they are looking for the best available answer, so far PN has delivered but still a lot needs to be done to improve & bring PN in modern navy era.

 

[Zarvan]

How about the 7,000t TF2000 class AAW frigate.

According to reports its cost is around 3 Billion dollars per piece in this price we can get around 4 Destroyers from China Sir and even we are finding that really hard to buy

 

[SrNair]

anything special about this project 15 A ?

Look at the info posted by OP .Project 15A is most advanced destroyer in SA.64 SAM and 16 Brahmos plus most advanced electronics equipment.

 

[SrNair]

Submarines and large numbers of anti-ship cruise missiles are the traditional answer to an asymmetric naval conflict.

Even the threat of a single submarine can pose an unacceptable risk to a surface fleet if its location is unknown.

That's why China has over 70 submarines, including 10 nuclear ones. As well as thousands of anti-ship cruise missiles. Many of which can be fired from submarines, using hit and run tactics over large distances.

Maintaining 70 sub has its own risk and expense.
Every systems have its own purpose.If a professional navy like Indian Navy spend 1billion$ for a destroyer .It will be worthy.
And it has its own advantage.

Pakistan is close to the deal of 6 Subs , unknown type ...
more subs with AIP can easily tackle this so called big threat ...
and if order to give a punch to PN i would like to see Type54a on 10 year lease from China ....
plus more type22 and OHP with genisis upgrade will be enough to break any blocked ..
dont forget in any war scenario Pakistan will be on defensive stand , so our Anti ship defense system will make sure india ship will not come close to our land ... plus with different kind of anti ships and carrier killer missiles of jf or mirage .. it wont be a headache for PN ..
all we need a good sub force with AIP and capable of launching CMs ..

But the fact is we commisssioned
the destroyer .The things you mentioned are just some wishes.And we dont know whether that is included in PN modernization.

 

[Contrarian]

But not against the adversary's weapons. Mock tests and flights are one thing, operating out in the open seas is another story. We all know what happened with the USS Cole or Israeli INS Hanit.

The Hanit iirc had its radars switched off for conducting electronic snooping.

The only AShM that Pakistan fields that is not fielded by India are the Chinese AShMs. And those Chinese AShMs are more or less based on Russian ones - again something which IN has tested against.

 

[SrNair]

32, no need to check, a good number too, even the ABs roll with 32 SM-2s (albeit they also carry a mother load of TLAMs).

No sir according to wiki it is 2*32 SAMs

 

[Dillinger]

No sir according to wiki it is 2*32 SAMs

AND wiki has it wrong, whoever pitched in that figure lifted it from one of the "naval power" articles.

Its 32 cells for LR-SAM and 16 cells for AShM.

 

[SrNair]

Even now PN can defend its borders, but what IN is doing is something new to them and us, they want to put blockade from deep sea and to handle this PN needs more subs, long range MPAs with offensive capability, better coverage & support from PAF (for that PAF need J-11B class fighter).



Currently IN's CBGs don't have enough air power to create and sustain that in deep sea, only big power like US, France can do that.

Thats Ins Vikramaditya and 24 mig29 with bvraam is enough for severe air space denial.Our CBG is already in service.

Because PN can inflict damage to IN if their fleet comes close to our borders as PN & PAF both have new toys available to strike IN from long distance and CM-400AKG is very fast too.

DF-21 type solution is also rumored to be on table.

It was too easy when you posted that.IAF would have Su-30 with brahmos when an issue arises.We have our own solution buddy.

 

[Neptune]

Planned: 4 (for $4 billion)
Displacement: 7,000 tonnes
Length: 160 m
Beam: 18 m

Radar: ASELSAN radar complex called CAFRAD (Long range search radar, illumination radar, fire control radar, Ares 2NS Electronic Support/Attack EEW system at the top of the mast, X band satellite communication system).


Armament:

-1x 127mm 127/64 Naval Gun

-2x Aselsan STAMP stabilized 25mm gun platform

- ROKETSAN Atmaca anti-ship missile 250km (Atmaca will have capability of both land attack and anti-ship capabilities)

- ROKETSAN Gezgin LACM (2,500 km)

- ASELSAN/TUBITAK High Enery Laser CWIS

- ROKETSAN Hisar-A/O SAM missiles integration efforts may be taken place in accordance with Turkish Naval Forces requirements.

- RAYTHEON RIM-156 SM-2 Block IV Mk-21

- RAYTHEON RIM-161 SM-3 Block IA

- RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (CIWS-PDMS)

- RUM-139 VL-ASROC (Anti Submarine Weapon )...22km

-Mk-32 Torpedo Tubes

Aircraft: SH-60B LAMPS II Seahawk
Unmanned Aerial Vehicle


@Zarvan it's $1 billion per ship. If Pakistan aquires it in future possibly with soft loan..at 2020 I think PAK budget would be much higher than today. No ship at South Asia may match with it.

 

[Dillinger]

Planned: 4 (for $4 billion)
Displacement: 7,000 tonnes
Length: 147-150 m
Beam: 18 m

Radar: ASELSAN radar complex called CAFRAD (Long range search radar, illumination radar, fire control radar, Ares 2NS Electronic Support/Attack EEW system at the top of the mast, X band satellite communication system).


Armament:

-1x 127mm 127/64 Naval Gun

-2x Aselsan STAMP stabilized 25mm gun platform

- ROKETSAN Atmaca anti-ship missile 250km (Atmaca will have capability of both land attack and anti-ship capabilities)

- ROKETSAN Gezgin LACM (2,500 km)

- ASELSAN/TUBITAK High Enery Laser CWIS

- ROKETSAN Hisar-A/O SAM missiles integration efforts may be taken place in accordance with Turkish Naval Forces requirements.

- RAYTHEON RIM-156 SM-2 Block IV Mk-21

- RAYTHEON RIM-161 SM-3 Block IA

- RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (CIWS-PDMS)

- RUM-139 VL-ASROC (Anti Submarine Weapon )...22km

-Mk-32 Torpedo Tubes

Aircraft: SH-60B LAMPS II Seahawk
Unmanned Aerial Vehicle


@Zarvan it's $1 billion per ship. If Pakistan aquires it in future possibly with soft loan..at 2020 I think PAK budget would be much higher than today. No ship at South Asia may match with it.

The P-15B will, why? Because the AEGIS is an US product and will never sell it off to Pakistan, as evidenced by the removal of the SM munition from the Olivers that the PN is inducting from 15-16 onward.

 

[Storm Force]

The thread is excellent for those looking to discuss pak navy capabilities v threats.

Kolkatta is new and very impressive threat. From a very impressive increasingly indengiious fleet of Indian ships.

They are very costly so the point is how to answer this threat without trying to buy billion dollar equivalent ships from China which Pakistan just cant do

The cruise middle from thunders or shore batteries is an option but I wouldlook at ccorvettes

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Pakistan needs cruise missile destroyers locally designed & built

 

[Neptune]

The P-15B will, why? Because the AEGIS is an US product and will never sell it off to Pakistan, as evidenced by the removal of the SM munition from the Olivers that the PN is inducting from 15-16 onward.

No it won't. Because CAFRAD will replace AEGIS at TF2000. Negotiations are done. CAFRAD is developed by Havelsan and Aselsan whom have developed critical parts of F-35 and A-400M aircraft before. But it's doubt that PN will get SM-3.

 

[Dillinger]

No it won't. Because CAFRAD will replace AEGIS at TF2000. Negotiations are done. CAFRAD is developed by Havelsan and Aselsan whom have developed critical parts of F-35 and A-400M aircraft before. But it's doubt that PN will get SM-3.

Neptune, bro, I am referring to the SM-2 block3b, ESSM, SM-3, the interceptors which are part of the AEGIS system not the SPY-1 sensor. Its the interceptors which the US will not release. Don't believe me? Ask @Oscar.

 

[Neptune]

Neptune, bro, I am referring to the SM-2 block3b, ESSM, SM-3, the interceptors which are part of the AEGIS system not the SPY-1 sensor. Its the interceptors which the US will not release. Don't believe me? Ask @Oscar.

Of course I do yara

But negotiations are already done for SM-2 Block IV Mk 21 integration to CAFRAD. For SM-3 Block 1A, it's ongoing. Laterly they will be linked to NATO Missile Shield program. But who do you refer in exact, PN or TNF?

Also I don't think that PN will ever match IN..encounter should be focused through Air Force.