Indian Navy News & Discussions

[MilSpec]

So the OHPs are more like you; neither has missiles to get the job done !

oooh, this just got interesting...

 

[Lil Mathew]

PN only can give some fight to Kolkata class destroyer with their Agosta Subs as our ships are without Advanced Towed Array Sonar (ATAS),, a sensor crucial for detecting submarines in warm, shallow waters like those of the Arabian Sea.
But Indian Navy has a big advantage numerical superiority of vessels & options for PN are very limited.

What about DRDO Nagan ATAS system??

 

[Dillinger]

Well played Bhatta. But I'll consider myself an early California DD. Medium range sams but capable of multiple target engagement.
Currently inducting a new Manzoor-e-Nazar for night while your distant relative acts as my concubine during the day.



Operation Python will no longer be needed. Longer range system ensure that the threshold to deploy strike systems is extended well outside a 100nm. The question remains however whether a 100nm temporary exclusion zone is enough to provide a supply like and protect certain installations at all?

Unless there is a ground offensive that has a naval component providing a flanking marine landing , there is no need to get that close to Pakistani shores at all. The threat of shore based AShMs remains and with not a single iota of respect to another member from across the border. Finding and destroying a silkworm like battery will not be as easy as 1,2,3

True.

Although, I was correct, the long term perspective plan for the IN (2 decades) resembles what I had opined as my FAD (fly and die) idea for the Arabian sea.

That having been said, I thought the Oliver's were being upgraded, what's with the anemic AAW capability?

What about DRDO Nagan ATAS system??

Not operational. The ACTAS will go on board some ships, other issue the severe paucity of ASW helos and the MoD's lethargy in pushing through the ASW/NMRH.

 

[The SC]

We will definently not have a answer except a Babur cruise missile to the hull of the ship.

India won the arms race. Pakistan lost. :,(

What about the antiship missiles in Pakistan's inventory.
A big fleet around (30) of midget and 600 tons submarines will do the deterrence trick, and that will cost less than one of these prestigious destroyers.

 

[Lil Mathew]

32, no need to check, a good number too, even the ABs roll with 32 SM-2s (albeit they also carry a mother load of TLAMs).

But everywher it is quoted as 64..
AEGIS VESSLES OF THE WORLD - KOLKATA CLASS PAGE

 

[Dillinger]

But everywher it is quoted as 64..
AEGIS VESSLES OF THE WORLD - KOLKATA CLASS PAGE

They got it wrong, articles written BEFORE the ship was revealed in its completed form.

There are 32 cells for the LR-SAM, 8 cells per VLU, 2 cells fore and 2 cells aft.

No SR-SAM, no Barak-1 instead the 4 CIWS AKs have been retained (like the original Delhis, although the Delhi's 2 fore AKs were replaced by 2*8 cell Barak-1s each), absence of Barak-1 conformed by absence of fire directing radar (STGR) since the Barak needs them being a CLOS missile.

 

[MilSpec]

Unless there is a ground offensive that has a naval component providing a flanking marine landing , there is no need to get that close to Pakistani shores at all. The threat of shore based AShMs remains and with not a single iota of respect to another member from across the border. Finding and destroying a silkworm like battery will not be as easy as 1,2,3

high-frequency monopulse seeker same as our P15 Kermit making them ideal choice for passive jamming.Then there is KH31 Ati radar for search ad destroy modes control and targeting stations. They will have to be pretty close to Shoreline.
Additionally ARGS-35E X band seeker on KH35 and the J-band active seeker on sea eagle both can pick up the targeting and control nodes for silkworms.

 

[Dillinger]

high-frequency monopulse seeker same as our P15 Kermit making them ideal choice for passive jamming.Then there is KH31 Ati radar for search ad destroy modes control and targeting stations. They will have to be pretty close to Shoreline.
Additionally ARGS-35E X band seeker on KH35 and the J-band active seeker on sea eagle both can pick up the targeting and control nodes for silkworms.

Actually, long range capable ISAR on the 8Is (since we were happily fortunate enough unlike the yanks to NOT get rid of the MAD-for the subs and sea search radar, the ECM and reported long range HADF on that is good enough to run serious passes at shore based batteries). BUT as @Oscar stated, it is by no means an easy task, and such shore based batteries remain a threat.

 

[Basel]

The ship is designed to fight engage pn Land & Sea & Air .
It carrys up to 72 barak SURFACE TO AIR MISSLES. getting an air strike even close will be enormously hard
Brahmos cruise missles means it can not only sink ships but attack land targets

PN vs IN is not just one ship vs one ship, it will systems+tactics+doctrine vs systems+tactics+doctrine.

and how are you supposed to launch it from main land, well the earth is curve and radar does not read beyond a range in sea. And IN will shoot down any AWACS within 100 kms in case of war.

With radar range of 450 km AWACS will not need to come close to IN fleet.

 

[Lil Mathew]

They got it wrong, articles written BEFORE the ship was revealed in its completed form.

There are 32 cells for the LR-SAM, 8 cells per VLU, 2 cells fore and 2 cells aft.

No SR-SAM, no Barak-1 instead the 4 CIWS AKs have been retained (like the original Delhis, although the Delhi's 2 fore AKs were replaced by 2*8 cell Barak-1s each), absence of Barak-1 conformed by absence of fire directing radar (STGR) since the Barak needs them being a CLOS missile.

But the latest blog by Ajai Shukla ji on may 2014 also saying 64 LR-SAMs..
Broadsword: INS Kolkata, navy’s most powerful warship, to be delivered next month

 

[Basel]

Pakistan Navy making a anti ship version

No urgent need as C-602s can fill the gap if deployed on ships and subs and PN may go for big bro of CM-400AKG.

 

[Dillinger]

But the latest blog by Ajai Shukla ji on may 2014 also saying 64 LR-SAMs..
Broadsword: INS Kolkata, navy’s most powerful warship, to be delivered next month

LOL! We've been over this too.

His (allegedly and Prasun Sengupta's actual utterances on the matter) harebrained notion of an internal reloading mechanism is inane, it does NOT EXIST! Detailed posts as to why exist on the P-15A and P-15B threads with proper explanations of VLU technology and UNREP procedures.

 

[MilSpec]

PN vs IN is not just one ship vs one ship, it will systems+tactics+doctrine vs systems+tactics+doctrine.



With radar range of 450 km AWACS will not need to come close to IN fleet.

Problem solved then, Awacs+PAF will counter All of Indian navy, and IAF. so there may be no need for any further acquisitions for PN.

 

[Dillinger]

Problem solved then, Awacs+PAF will counter All of Indian navy, and IAF. so there may be no need for any further acquisitions for PN.

Get past the BARCAP baby, get past the BARCAP, this ain't the 90s and sea clutter doesn't mean much to the okoeye on the Kamov.

 

[HRK]

At a $1 billion each this 7000 tonne warship is the most advanced and most costly in South Asia.

The indians will have seven in total by 2020

Amazing vedio

I wany to ask how best do Pakistan answer this MASSIVE NEW THREAT

The ship is designed to fight engage pn Land & Sea & Air .

It carrys up to 72 barak SURFACE TO AIR MISSLES. getting an air strike even close will be enormously hard

Brahmos cruise missles means it can not only sink ships but attack land targets

it looks like that OP is still like ....