Indian Navy Aircraft Carriers and Ships

[GR!FF!N]

And also i dont think INS Vikramaditya will be carrying any AWACS(naval)..as shown in the pic..

yup...without steam catapult,AWACS is not going to take off from that short distance.and Ski jump is not for AWACS.

I think Vikramadity will get Ka-27/31..india already operating these helos..

 

[MUHARIB]

Hahaha looks like Sino-Challenger is ****-hurt now. Oh the comedy in it is just too awesome.

 

[Speeder 2]

1st.varayag will be a training ship(or casino i don't care)..but it will not be used in war..so,China is still waiting for its proper 1st ac i guess..

so even the Chinese Casino beats you?

2nd.India will have 3 ac within 2016.

and 3 wc as well, indoor and finally, or I'm wishfully asking for too much?

3rd.China has nil experience with operating AC(except managing casinos in them,i don't count it as AC operation)..whn India has more than 50 years of experience..

and even with 50 yrs more of "experiences" you still beg for Ruskies to fixed a second-hand for you, while the Chinese did it on their own. Nah, it's IQ, I told you

now don't drop megaton F@@rt here in frustration.. :lol

so you'd prefer that stay in Indian streets dropped exclusively by your masses on a daily basis?

 

[Guli Danda]

Good Painting job. Chinese are good in painting.

Lol lets hope..that paint doesn't come out when the ship sails in the sea..(if it ever does!)...Chinese quality..you know

 

[Guli Danda]

It's certainly a big step for india. The only carrier you have now is some WW2 hand me down from the UK

Let's see how long it really takes for INS Vikramaditya to enter service, considering that the ship already suffered a fire and the indian economy is collapsing. Maybe this one will end up in the Russian fleet yet

China is far ahead as usual. Varyag is already doing flight operations and we have two more Varyag-class carriers under construction.

India has one carrier..2 are coming soon.
How many operational carriers China has?

 

[Abingdonboy]

It's certainly a big step for india. The only carrier you have now is some WW2 hand me down from the UK

Let's see how long it really takes for INS Vikramaditya to enter service, considering that the ship already suffered a fire and the indian economy is collapsing. Maybe this one will end up in the Russian fleet yet

China is far ahead as usual. Varyag is already doing flight operations and we have two more Varyag-class carriers under construction.

I'm sorry but right now and for the foresseable future India has the clear edge on carrier operations.India operarted a carriers for 50 years so has been able to maintain a core of naval crewman who have served on carriers- this is very important as operating a carrier is extremely complex, as such there is the infrastructure in place to train crewmen and naval aviators. Addtionally India has the luxery of being able to train with other carrier operating navies especially the USN and RuN specifically in training naval operators. China is going to have to build up its capabilities in complete isolation which is going to take a considerable period of time and treasure.Addtionally India has the advantage of being able to procure any forign radar/system they like whereas China dosn't and as such can't match certain technolgies India will be abled to get. Also for the futre ie IAC-2/3 this will be more apparent as India has the offer (which it will no doubt take) from US for EMALS or Steam catapult generation tech from US for CATOBAR ACCs aswell as the most advanced naval 4.5 gen fighters (F-18 SH, RAFALE,) and 5th gen (F-35) on offer as well the most advanced ACC-based AWACS in the form of E-2D. China is limited by what they can make themselves which is limited by what they have ie a second hand USSR STOBAR carrier so it going to be a real, real challenge to somehow get their own CATOBAR capability which is really needed to properly utilize carrier air-power. Of course India has its own challenges to face- operating supersonic, high performance STOBAR fighters of ACCs when it has been operating VSTOL for the past decades.


As such I'd say India has the clear advantage in the ACC domain.

The Green seems to show new structural additions from the original Gorshkov design. The Orange seems to show new external weapons/defensive/electronics added from the orginal Gorshkov design.

The Green seems to show new structural additions from the original Gorshkov design. The Orange seems to show new external weapons/defensive/electronics added from the orginal Gorshkov design.

 

[DMLA]

The Green seems to show new structural additions from the original Gorshkov design. The Orange seems to show new external weapons/defensive/electronics added from the orginal Gorshkov design.

The orange sections are the electronics/ weapons and structural elements which were present on the original Gorshkov and have been removed now to convert the same into a STOBAR capable ship. And from the tonnage (I presume) from the images, it would seen that the new elements added on to the ship easily surpass the largest size destroyer in IN in terms of tonnage!

You can see the elements clearly in this old pic ....

They include the massive sandbox launchers in front of the bridge as well as the main guns and SA-N-9 SAM's

 

[sancho]

I think Vikramadity will get Ka-27/31..india already operating these helos..

Exactly, IN has procured Kamov Ka 31 helicopter for the AEW role, a very poor choice, but possibly the only one that was available back then. Today we might get a hand on AW 101 AEW helicopter or could even go for a V22 AEW development, which is the most capable for STOBAR or STOVL carriers, but also the most costly one:

I think with the limited roles these 2 x STOBAR carriers are meant for and the close proximity to India, IN might want to use shore based fixed wing AWACS in addition to the Ka 31s, while IAC 2 should get an independent solution, most likely E-2Ds.

 

[KRAIT]

STOBAR carriers are meant for and the close proximity to India, IN might want to use shore based fixed wing AWACS in addition to the Ka 31s, while IAC 2 should get an independent solution, most likely E-2Ds.

What is your take on Rafale M for IAC-1 and 2?

 

[sancho]

What is your take on Rafale M for IAC-1 and 2?

IAC 1 will use only N-LCA and Mig 29Ks, similar to INS Vikramaditya. For IAC 2 Rafale M is a possible choice, especially with commonality to IAF and as a joined order, which reduces costs. We could also base of a naval AMCA on it, since it is meant to be in the same weight class and catapult launch capable. However, Boeing will propose the Silent Hornet, while LM will offer the F35C and if the US combines the sale of catapults with a procurement of their aircrafts (fighters and E-2Ds), it's a done deal anyway.

 

[KRAIT]

IAC 1 will use only N-LCA and Mig 29Ks, similar to INS Vikramaditya. For IAC 2 Rafale M is a possible choice, especially with commonality to IAF and as a joined order, which reduces costs. We could also base of a naval AMCA on it, since it is meant to be in the same weight class and catapult launch capable. However, Boeing will propose the Silent Hornet, while LM will offer the F35C and if the US combines the sale of catapults with a procurement of their aircrafts (fighters and E-2Ds), it's a done deal anyway.

If N-LCA delays for couple of years what options do we have ?
F35C is always a good option, will give fifth gen. aerial edge to navy, but it might come with strings attached. Should we go for it instead ?
Are we going to use EMALS in IAC-3 onwards...? What's your take?

 

[sancho]

If N-LCA delays for couple of years what options do we have ?
F35C is always a good option, will give fifth gen. aerial edge to navy, but it might come with strings attached. Should we go for it instead ?
Are we going to use EMALS in IAC-3 onwards...? What's your take?

Mig 29Ks, that's why we went with the additional 29 and if needed we could go for more too. Imo Rafale could be used from them as well, but that's another story, IN wants N-LCA for indigenous development reasons, so no matter how delayed or useless, they will go for it.
F35C is imo not a good choice, too many strings attached, too less 5th capabilities, too low performance. I prefer a development of a naval AMCA according to INs requirements an not to IAFs, since they have FGFA.
EMALS is a new system and under testing stage only, lets see if we get normal catapults from them.

G8 buddy!

 

[GR!FF!N]

so even the Chinese Casino beats you?



and 3 wc as well, indoor and finally, or I'm wishfully asking for too much?



and even with 50 yrs more of "experiences" you still beg for Ruskies to fixed a second-hand for you, while the Chinese did it on their own. Nah, it's IQ, I told you



so you'd prefer that stay in Indian streets dropped exclusively by your masses on a daily basis?

you earned your 2 cents..we'll send our soldiers for good drinks and girls in varyag..now calm down..

by the way...China bought a lot of ACs in past decade to inspect and later come up with his own design..another copy paste job i guess..

 

[rcrmj]

Lol lets hope..that paint doesn't come out when the ship sails in the sea..(if it ever does!)...Chinese quality..you know

and where does india quality stands? oh``sorry you dont even have anywhere to start with```

 

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