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Do you think your country is secular?
yes india is a secular democratic country because we have adopted secular democratic socialist constitution .
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Do you think your country is secular?
yes india is a secular democratic country because we have adopted secular democratic socialist constitution .
How ?
This is my thread from 2016 about modern socialist activism among Muslims from the 1900s onwards. It is an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha.
Does your country practise the ideals it's adopted? Why am i asking. Clearly it doesn't, and clearly you'll never accept that.
Does your country practise the ideals it's adopted? Why am i asking. Clearly it doesn't, and clearly you'll never accept that.
Seems like you can't accept truth and facts and want to lynch any messenger of facts.Zakir naik is a threat to peace, very similar to anjam Chaudhary of UK.
‘Exclusive to Muslims’ statement shows his intent very clearly, he is a non secular Islamist, openly ridiculing all other religions.
Anything exclusive to any religion, race or sect is against our secular principles.
He has targeted Kerala because many radical organisations has presence there. Kerala has almost 50% Muslim population, but I have my faith in them cos they are educated and progressive.
Aren't you a Muslim socialist? I think you have said nice things about Che Guevara. I'm not as anti-Che as I was in the past. I hate to say it but I think Mao was better as a writer and intellectual. To be fair, Mao imo was more intellectual than Lenin. Mao was a genius. I don't think he was necessarily a benevolent genius but undoubtedly he was a genius. Che was very intelligent but I think he was deeply misguided. At the same time, he gave up his life for his beliefs and I respect his courage. I also admire his dedication to anti-imperialism.
But as for Muslim socialists or Muslims secularists...... Muslim secularism is inherently contradictory.
Was Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) a secularist? Was a secular state formed in Medina?
Obviously, the state established in Medina was not remotely secular. It was an Islamic state.
From a Muslim standpoint, the ideal social system is an Islamic state. Now, of course, the state in Medina was one where there was protection for the people of other religions.
So a state that implements the sharia- it must protect the people of other religions. Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs have a right to their religions and their rights have to be protected. Protecting their rights is extremely important. It is protecting the moral foundation of the Islamic state. It would be a danger for the entire structure of the Islamic state if the state were to neglect its obligation to protect minorities.
Anyways, as for Muslim socialism..... when it comes to Mao, Che, etc.- I agree with their anti-imperialism but I don't agree with Communism.
And in practice, I think we see very often that Muslims who say they are socialists, that they tend to compromise on aspects of the dīn.
Lol...Actually for Muslims of India, in the name of religion, a separate country was created in 1947....Are you asking them to relocate there?I would also advocate the Indian muslims relocate and concentrate in peripheral area's. Seclarism is dead in India, they should ready themselves for any worst case scenarios.
To be fair, Mao imo was more intellectual than Lenin. Mao was a genius. I don't think he was necessarily a benevolent genius but undoubtedly he was a genius.
Che was very intelligent but I think he was deeply misguided.
Was Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) a secularist? Was a secular state formed in Medina?
Obviously, the state established in Medina was not remotely secular. It was an Islamic state.
Does prophet Muhammad name Madinah state as Islamic State ???? Madinah state use Islamic laws, thats it. Prophet Muhammad never said Madinah state as Islamic state.
I see people like you like to add anything which is not even implemented during prophet Muhammad time. It makes it difficult for Muslim people to support the implementation of Shariah law. I am not supprise then there is compulsory in hijab imposed by nation like Saudi and Iran despite prophet Muhammad as far as history show never impose such measure during his rule.
What I can say, people like you make Shariah law implementation not popular among Muslim people. Shariah Law is simple and I dont think it is a hard rule, only for those who commit crime it will become hard. So as I said, no need to change the nation into Islamic state, not necessary, we just only need to use Shariah Law as positive law in the country for all citizen and resident, Muslim and Non Muslim.
What if BJP was removed and Congress was in charge? Do you think India would then be secular?
Does prophet Muhammad name Madinah state as Islamic State ???? Madinah state use Islamic laws, thats it. Prophet Muhammad never said Madinah state as Islamic state.
I see people like you like to add anything which is not even implemented during prophet Muhammad time. It makes it difficult for Muslim people to support the implementation of Shariah law. I am not supprise then there is compulsory in hijab imposed by nation like Saudi and Iran despite prophet Muhammad as far as history show never impose such measure during his rule.
What I can say, people like you make Shariah law implementation not popular among Muslim people. Shariah Law is simple and I dont think it is a hard rule, only for those who commit crime it will become hard. So as I said, no need to change the nation into Islamic state, not necessary, we just only need to use Shariah Law as positive law in the country for all citizen and resident, Muslim and Non Muslim.
I must admit I have never read Mao's ideas. But there is the Naxal / Naxalite movement in India which adapted Mao's ideas to Indian situation and wants to overthrow the current Indian system through armed means just like Mao did. That is why they are also called Maoists and have been fighting the Indian state in the jungles since the 1960s.
Further, part that in urban areas these fighters / rebels find sympathy among some intellectuals and part that the Indian State wants to blame and jail some intellectuals, these intellectuals are called by the right-wingers as "Urban Naxals".
Why do you call him misguided ?
For that we should look at what Islam really is. Is it only just another way of public prayer and ritual ? It is not. What it is primarily is, is a advisory on how to set up a socio-economic welfare society. If we are to take an example, and here I run the risk of being banned or warned for takfir'ing, are the Taliban exemplar Muslims ? If not, who are ?
Not too long ago when Manmohan Singh, from Congress, was the Prime Minister, he once said that India's main internal problem / enemy was the left-wing Naxalite militancy. Why didn't he say that the main problem was right-wing extremism, whether from Hindus or Muslims ?
In previous decades the Congress didn't have the courage to ban right-wing groups and that has led to the current chaotic state.
The writers of the Indian Constitution wanted a secular society. They will be turning in their graves seeing the current India.