Indian Muslims are out to prove their loyalty once again.

[Clutch]

India have more Muslims than you so stop fighting us or fatwas coming for you guys.

It isn't about the number of Muslims India has or doesn't have. Even if it only had one ... That one Muslim is forbidden under Islamic Akeedah to fight against another Muslim nation under the banner of "Hindustan"... Or conversely if India of 100 million muslims fought a small Muslim nation of Brunei with only 10 millions muslims... The 100 Million Indian Muslims are forbidden to fight. Period.

and who are you to proclaim what "professes" even means?...above GOD almighty?

Exactly my point. I am not not are the Indian Muslims the ones to judge who's professes are genuine and who's are not.

If one says the Shahaadat period and says the are a Muslim... That is it.

I am having a difficult time trying to convey the basic tenets.. but every Muslims knows... You cannot join a kafir army and fight a Muslim nation (no matter if you think that Muslim nation us truely Muslim or not).

Basic facts...

 

[Nilgiri]

The 100 Million Indian Muslims are forbidden to fight. Period.

You are not God....thus you cannot order squat or deliver squat.

It was God that liberated your eastern wing from your emotional proclaimer clutches....so best be humble.

 

[Cash GK]

My forefather moved to Pakistan in 48...but by 1958 he left as Pakistan was radicalised and nothing remained there which Jinnah had dreamt off. For namesake it was an Islamic state where nothing was happening per Islamic teachings. The nation was being pushed to adopt a certain mind-set (shunning the progressive mind-set which Quide-e-Azam had envisioned.

Now on condition of Muslims...is it better in Pakistan? (Honestly)...

so your forefathers left and run away from the dream for which we secrify.. our forefathers stay there and they fight for that dream. no disrespect but millions died for it and billions are ready to die for it..

 

[Nilgiri]

Exactly my point.

So you admit you are no authority to speak on it....yet you keep going on about it. Very strange.

 

[Sam.]

It isn't about the number of Muslims India has or doesn't have. Even if it only had one ... That one Muslim is forbidden under Islamic Akeedah to fight against another Muslim nation under the banner of "Hindustan"... Or conversely if India of 100 million muslims fought a small Muslim nation of Brunei with only 10 millions muslims... The 100 Million Indian Muslims are forbidden to fight. Period.

I fully agree with you but we don't consider you Islamic that's the point. You support China against Muslims and your birth as a nation came same time as Israel both were planted by west to instigate their wars in the region.

 

[Clutch]

You are not God....thus you cannot order squat or deliver squat.

I am not... I am just referencing Islamic tenants and the Quran. Go back a few posts.

Besides.. If you don't believe me ask a practicing Mulsim about what I just said.

You will get your answer.

 

[Cash GK]

Rubbish. What about the Kashmiri who face half a million Indian soldiers yet they still chant "Pakistan Zindabad" even when they face bullets.

in kashmir they are in majority and they can protect in good numbers. but think if you living under RSS goons and you have no other choice but to fight for your family. what do you think..

 

[Clutch]

I fully agree with you but we don't consider you Islamic that's the point. You support China against Muslims and your birth as a nation came same time as Israel both were planted by west to instigate their wars in the region.

You are correct about China and the concerns with the treatment of the Uyghurs.

But we are not going to war against China and I am not out to kill Chinese Muslims.

But let's say the China attacks Pakistan... The Chinese Uyghurs would be forbidden from attacking Pakistan as per Islamic Akeedah. They cannot fight Pakistan or any other "so-called' Muslim nation by joining a Kafir nation.

The so-called Muslim nation doesn't even have to be a "good" or "practicing" Muslim... But if it's citizens profess Islam as their Deen... That makes them unlawful for Chinese Muslims to attack them .

 

[Cash GK]

Spoken like a true half wit.
Your father should have worn a condom. You’re a waste.



India doesn’t have a conflict with Islam or Muslim, only Pakistanis. And India consists of approx 200 million Muslims who call it their nation. So India’s war with Pakistan is their (Indian muslims) war with Pakistan. Therein lies the problem with your argument.
It is not siding with one religion against the other, it’s siding with themselves and their interests (Indian Muslims) against another group of muslims.

then let them eat beef... will you allow them. Just a question

 

[Nilgiri]

Besides.. If you don't believe me ask a practicing Mulsim about what I just said.

You will get your answer.

Oh I have, plenty of times. I have lot of muslim Bangladeshi friends you see....a number even have fathers + relatives that were freedom fighters. How it ultimately applies to Quran (and faith in almighty) has been explained quite well to me....in context for allying "pagan" country to overthrow the self declared "professors" and send them packing.

It is not question of believing you....since I do not know you in first place.

 

[Clutch]

Oh I have, plenty of times. I have lot of muslim Bangladeshi friends you see....a number even have fathers + relatives that were freedom fighters. How it ultimately applies to Quran (and faith in almighty) has been explained quite well to me....in context for allying "pagan" country to overthrow the self declared "professors" and send them packing.

It is not question of believing you....since I do not know you in first place.

Under Islamic doctrine, the worst kind of sin is idolatry. No Muslim is allowed to join an army of idol worshippers especially to fight an opposing army of muslims. Because by doing ng so, if you are killed amongst them you will be raised on the Day of Judgement along with them and judged as one of them.

You are giving examples of Muslims what they did as individuals... I am referencing Islam Akeedah. Those are two different things.

 

[PradoTLC]

they need to this.,, other wise the hindus will kill them like in Gujrat

 

[Nilgiri]

Under Islamic doctrine, the worst kind of sin is idolatry. No Muslim is allowed to join an army of idol worshippers especially to fight an opposing army of muslims. Because by doing ng so, if you are killed amongst them you will be raised on the Day of Judgement along with them and judged as one of them.

Again thanks for your opinion, its been filed in the appropriate folder in the "complaints + some random dude knows better" dept. where I will get around to reading it, I promise.

Better, wiser real life muslims I know are people I actually talk these things over with. Let's leave it at that.

 

[Aramagedon]

Long live Sudi wahhabi and Indian brothership

Pakistanis should wake up

 

[AsifIjaz]

@Joe Shearer @Atlas @scorpionx @jbgt90 @SubWater @SOHEIL @Surenas @Bahram Esfandiari @Tshering22 @Hack-Hook @925boy @Ziggurat “TepeSialk“ @bluesky

Did u miss a few???
Just a while back i wrote in another thread that my encounter with indians as an individual and as a group is totally different...
As an individual they will move to brotherhood, shanti, same people and sanity.. Etc.. in no time. But as a group they are like spewing filth against paksitan like they didnt say a word before hand. I actually took a few to task openly and as expected they were furious in front of their countrymen and later in private they were telling me to understand that the others dont have that approach towards pakistan as they dont know truth so i need to be careful ...
Hypocrites...
Now coming to indian muslims.. True patriots.. No ifs and buts about it. But they are subdued, oppressed and opportunistic ppl. But they are undoubtedly still patriotic indians. Many blame jinnah for dividing the ummah as that would have made muslims more stronger. They have a flawed history of partotion and i have given a few books from pakistani and international writers which was difficult for them to say the least.
Before u try to start ur mantra on muslim leaders, to muslim president and high ups.. Plz look at the indian statistics on percentage of muslims in india and their percentage in government institutions and education / literacy. There is a reason that after south indians, muslims are in the majority indians in GCC. I can go on to tell stories of what they tell me about their lives in india but that would not serve the purpose of this discusison and would derail the topic in hand.

Indians, as a nation... I like their business sense and approach to wards jobs and work ethics. But they are a victim to their media and their political parties.
Even before pulwama or before uri or even before mumbai.. One favorite topic of discussion in poitical gatherings/jalsa and on tv talk shows is Pakistan. U wont see that in pakistan. But indians are fed anti pak feelings on the same tune as south koreans and japanese are fed hate towards north korean regimen. They then carry that feeling forever. U can be friends with an indian (hindu/muslim) like brothers but the moment they sit amongst each other they will bash pakistanis and they will team up for each other which is the 2nd best to how tamils, keralities or other south indians rally or team up for each others. I guess amongst the few things out there, anti pakistan rhetoric unites the indians.