Indian minority affairs minister Mukhtar Abbas hits back at OIC for comments on India

[secular.muslim]

I explain the concept to you.

Either someone is a believer, or a Kafir.

Anyone who believes in Allah is not a Kafir. So by this definition, Muslims, Christians and Jews are not kafirs.

Anyone who doesn't believe on the finality of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is not a Muslim. So while Christians and Jews are not kafirs, they are not Muslims too.

Anyone else, who doesn't believe in Allah is a Kafir. It's just for the classification purpose, to identify who is who.

A sane hindu is also a Kafir.. but he is not a bhakt/ sanghi.. We don't have any problem with sane Hindus. Bhakts/ sanghis have become extremists.. they want to lynch Muslims.

Now by definition, you don't believe in Allah, so you aren't a believer.. you are a Kafir.. just an identification nothing else..

You can also call us anything... you can invent your own definition and say anyone who doesn't believe in Hindu gods is a Kafir.. we will not mind at all.

Are you explaining this to him ?
I mean, Seriously ?

 

[Suriya]

Anand Ranganathan slays those crying 'Islamobhobia'

#IndiaMuslimHeavenDebate

@AgNoStiC MuSliM @PakSword

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252646460048449544

 

[Sharma Ji]

As long as they are responsible citizens , obeying the law what is the matter if they want to mix with you or not. If by mixing yo mean that they have to follow your rituals and water down their believes then Sir you are being intolerant here. As long as anyone is a responsible citizen and obey the law there is no need .

I agree.

As long as people respect the law, who cares what they dress like.

Was just pointing out the obvious, that everybody here (across religions and sects, believers and non-believers alike) feel, that the Tableeghi type are different from the rest of us.

and their whole thing is to convert brainwash/people into thinking like them.. which again, is a non starter in India. They have some (not much) traction within the sunni population in India, but that's about it.

In India, Hindus, Sikhs and many others visit shi'ite and sufi shrines and revere them but ultra religious Sunnis (for lack of a better phrase) are a whole other ballgame.

It is they who are the intolerant supremacists, and they will never find acceptance among the broader populace here.

 

[xeuss]

and their whole thing is to convert brainwash/people into thinking like them.. which again, is a non starter in India. They have some (not much) traction within the sunni population in India, but that's about it.

This is a myth that you are propagating. I already explained to you about it in the other thread. Please refer to it again, read up more on the tableeghis before waxing eloquence.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Anand Ranganathan slays those crying 'Islamobhobia'

#IndiaMuslimHeavenDebate

@AgNoStiC MuSliM @PakSword

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252646460048449544

He did nothing other than deflect and dissemble.

Made nothing but a passing reference to the discrimination and bigotry against minorities in India.

His argument is basically, 'if X does Y over there, we are also fine doing Y over here'.

These kinds of 'shut up calls' are fine from our perspective though. More and more Indians, especially high level government officials, should be making these exact same arguments. Don't shy away from them. Have Modi call the Arab rulers and say this to them directly in fact.

Embrace your views & declare them loud and proud to the rest of the world!

 

[Hiptullha]

This is a myth that you are propagating. I already explained to you about it in the other thread. Please refer to it again, read up more on the tableeghis before waxing eloquence.

Not surprised that the very opinionated pajeet doesn't even know that Tableeghis only focus on Sunni Muslims.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

We aren't going to give an inch of more land to Muslims other than what we lost in 1947. It happened in 1947 as Britishers left us no option. But not any more. Kashmiris who have problem with India are free to cross the LoC.

Plebiscite kabhi nahi hoga, India is a country, koi club nahi he ki aaye aur chale gaye.

It wasn't 'your' land to lose. It belongs to the people who reside there, and the majority of those people chose to have a distinct political governance structure to that chosen by those in the modern State of India.

Similarly, Jammu & Kashmir isn't 'your land', it belongs to the people who reside in J&K and it is their right to choose to be part of India, Pakistan or be Independent.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I hope RSS Hindus deliver his heaven to him in front of his family.

Assholes like these are the real enemies of Indian Muslims, they have sold their soul to the Devil (Modi) for a few pennies.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252493487116709889

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252494147883130880

 

[Sharma Ji]

This is a myth that you are propagating. I already explained to you about it in the other thread. Please refer to it again, read up more on the tableeghis before waxing eloquence.

I'm kinda/sorta flattered you refer to my posts as waxing eloquent. lol

You don't come across as the Tableeghi type somehow, and probably wouldn't have anything to do with them yourself, ha ?

I get your predicament though, on this discussion board, facing off hordes of ultra right bhakths.. all while shakuni mamas (Pakees) further confuse you.

If your flags are not lying, you're an Indian brother. Get out in the real world and see how "Hindus" behave with you.. the truth is out there.

namaste

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

I agree.

As long as people respect the law, who cares what they dress like.

Was just pointing out the obvious, that everybody here (across religions and sects, believers and non-believers alike) feel, that the Tableeghi type are different from the rest of us.

and their whole thing is to convert brainwash/people into thinking like them.. which again, is a non starter in India. They have some (not much) traction within the sunni population in India, but that's about it.

In India, Hindus, Sikhs and many others visit shi'ite and sufi shrines and revere them but ultra religious Sunnis (for lack of a better phrase) are a whole other ballgame.

It is they who are the intolerant supremacists, and they will never find acceptance among the broader populace here.

First of all the TJ guys are one of the most peaceful guys. Their main doctrine is about inner reflection rather than outward hostility and they were crticized heavily for this even when there are adversaries. Sure they ask to follow rules to the core but that is it.

Also if living in a country means that I have to water down my religious believes just to appease then that is stupidity. Hindus or Sikhs visits mazars. Do muslims ask them to do it? They go their on their own not by dictation from muslims. Also just because they are going there does it imply we have to go to their places and celebrate their festivals.

I am yet to see except some sarkari muslims mass protest against TJ guys. Sure there may be some things on theological POV that may not be agreed upon but muslims don't see them different from anyone.

 

[Gadkari]

I explain the concept to you.

Either someone is a believer, or a Kafir.

Anyone who believes in Allah is not a Kafir. So by this definition, Muslims, Christians and Jews are not kafirs.

Anyone who doesn't believe on the finality of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is not a Muslim. So while Christians and Jews are not kafirs, they are not Muslims too.

Anyone else, who doesn't believe in Allah is a Kafir. It's just for the classification purpose, to identify who is who.

A sane hindu is also a Kafir.. but he is not a bhakt/ sanghi.. We don't have any problem with sane Hindus. Bhakts/ sanghis have become extremists.. they want to lynch Muslims.

Now by definition, you don't believe in Allah, so you aren't a believer.. you are a Kafir.. just an identification nothing else..

You can also call us anything... you can invent your own definition and say anyone who doesn't believe in Hindu gods is a Kafir.. we will not mind at all.

Now please try convincing @secular.muslim and @xeuss who is demonstrated SHOCKING Islamophobia by refusing to call me a Kafir.

I mean if you can get it then why can't they ? Why are these Indian muslims showing this much islamophobia by refusing to call me "Kafir" ?

I request you to convince them to address me by my proper "identification".

 

[Areesh]

We aren't going to give an inch of more land to Muslims other than what we lost in 1947. It happened in 1947 as Britishers left us no option. But not any more. Kashmiris who have problem with India are free to cross the LoC.

Plebiscite kabhi nahi hoga, India is a country, koi club nahi he ki aaye aur chale gaye.

You would have to give up the land. Either than that or death

Jaan do gai ya zameen. Pick your option

 

[PakSword]

Now please try convincing @secular.muslim and @xeuss who is demonstrated SHOCKING Islamophobia by refusing to call me a Kafir.

I mean if you can get it then why can't they ? Why are these Indian muslims showing this much islamophobia by refusing to call me "Kafir" ?

I request you to convince them to address me by my proper "identification".

Even I will not use the word Kafir for you.. We need to use a proper word. Kafir doesn't justify.. You are an extremist sanghi and an andh bhakt..

That's why I said.. we have to use specific terminology to identify people. Kafir is an extremely broad term and a Kafir can be a good person by nature.. But a Sanghi or a RSS bhakt can't.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

Now please try convincing @secular.muslim and @xeuss who is demonstrated SHOCKING Islamophobia by refusing to call me a Kafir.

I mean if you can get it then why can't they ? Why are these Indian muslims showing this much islamophobia by refusing to call me "Kafir" ?

I request you to convince them to address me by my proper "identification".

Kafir means disbeliever. Since you don't believe in Islam or the prophets you are disbeliever but that does not mean I will call you that everytime. Also being a disbeliever does not mean you are a bad person you just don't subscribe to the philosophical or theological POV of Islam.

 

[PakSword]

LOL. But I have clearly said I do not believe in Allah.

So are you now saying that I am NOT a kafir ?

I told you earlier today, you have comprehension issues.

You are a kafir.. but all kafirs aren't bad.. so we will use a term that fits you... you are a sanghi.. that's a derogatory word