Indian Military Picture Thread

COLDHEARTED AVIATOR · Jul 24, 2012

Pakistani Nationalist said:
Does IA use rpg variants aswell?

No,The IA uses Carl Gustav only.Shipons are seen in a select few operations.

Hindustani · Jul 24, 2012

edited....

Abingdonboy · Jul 24, 2012

Pakistani Nationalist said:
What are these?

Shipon anti-tank canisters, they are disposable so discarded after use.

Pakistani Nationalist said:
Does IA use rpg variants aswell?

Not at all. 84mm Carl Gustov is the standard ATS in use by IA with Shipon being used by SOFs, Ghataks and RR.

DESERT FIGHTER · Jul 24, 2012

COLDHEARTED AVIATOR said:
No,The IA uses Carl Gustav only.Shipons are seen in a select few operations.

Isnt tht too heavy.... IA should have opted for rpgs instead of shipon or carl.... your opinion?

COLDHEARTED AVIATOR · Jul 24, 2012

Pakistani Nationalist said:
Isnt tht too heavy.... IA should have opted for rpgs instead of shipon or carl.... your opinion?

The IA is very happy with Carl Gustav coz of its accuracy and have done a few modifications on it as well.I agree it is heavy but with the lighter version being designed by the DRDO it gives it a major advantage over the RPG coz of its accuracy and a lower weight than before.The IA uses 3 types of rounds..The smoke round,High explosive round and Anti Armour round.

+IA is to get Javelins soon.

Hindustani · Jul 24, 2012

Military Police

President's Bodyguard

Abingdonboy · Jul 24, 2012

Pakistani Nationalist said:
Isnt tht too heavy.... IA should have opted for rpgs instead of shipon or carl.... your opinion?

The RPG is inaccurate and incredibly rudimentary (this can be a good thing for rag-tag militias) and has no place in modern armies. Today many US SF/Marine units in Afghanistan have started to use the Carl Gustov as their standard ATS on deployment because of its accuracy and firepower as well as versatility.

+ the Shipon is lightweight, accurate, powerful and disposable so cost-effective (only marginally more than an AT4 IIRC).

DESERT FIGHTER · Jul 24, 2012

Abingdonboy said:
The RPG is inaccurate and incredibly rudimentary (this can be a good thing for rag-tag militias) and has no place in modern armies. Today many US SF/Marine units in Afghanistan have started to use the Carl Gustov as their standard ATS on deployment because of its accuracy and firepower as well as versatility.

+ the Shipon is lightweight, accurate, powerful and disposable so cost-effective (only marginally more than an AT4 IIRC).

RPG is not just an inaccurate or rudimentary as you claim and is use with more than 51 nations:
Afghanistan[16]
Albania[16]
Algeria[16]
Angola[16]
Armenia[16]
Azerbaijan[16]
Bangladesh[citation needed]
Belarus[16]
Benin[16]
Botswana[16]
Bulgaria: Produced locally by Arsenal Corporation as ATGL-L.[17]
Cambodia[16]
Cape Verde[16]
Central African Republic[16]
Chad[16]
Congo-Brazzaville[16]
Croatia[16]
Cuba[16]
Cyprus[16]
Czech Republic[16]
Democratic Republic of Congo[16]
Djibouti[16]
Egypt[16]
Eritrea[16]
Georgia: Produced locally.[18]
Ghana[16]
Guinea[16]
Guyana[16]
Hungary[19]
Iran[16]
Iraq[16]
Ireland: Used by the Provisional Irish Republican Army in the Northern Ireland Troubles.[citation needed]
Israel: Former user. Rounds produced locally.[20]
Jordan[16]
Kazakhstan[16]
Kyrgyzstan[16]
Laos[16]
Latvia[16]
Lebanon[16]
Liberia: Used by both the Liberian Army and guerrilla factions in the Liberian Civil Wars.[citation needed]
Libya[16] (also used by rebel forces in the 2011 Libyan civil war)
Lithuania[16]
Macedonia[16]
Madagascar[16]
Maldives[citation needed]
Malta[16]
Mauritania[16]
Moldova[16]
Mongolia[16]
Morocco[16]
Nicaragua[16]
Nigeria[16]
North Korea[16]
Palestinian Authority[citation needed]
Pakistan[16]
People's Republic of China: Copied by the People's Liberation Army(PLA)as the Type 69 RPG.[21] The RPG is the most popular RPG-7 copy used over the world.
Poland[16]
Romania[16] - Produced locally by SC Carfil SA from Brașov as AG-7 (Romanian: Aruncătorul de Grenade 7, Grenade Launcher 7).[22]
Russia[16]
Rwanda[16]
Sao Tome and Principe[16]
Senegal[16]
Seychelles[16]
Sierra Leone[16]
Somalia[16]
South Africa: South African National Defence Force.[23]
Sudan: Made by Military Industry Corporation as the Sinar.[24]
Syria[16]
Tajikistan[16]
Togo[16]
Turkey[25]
Turkmenistan[16]
Ukraine[16]
Uzbekistan[16]
Venezuela[26]
Vietnam[16]
Yemen[16]
Zambia[16]
Zimbabwe[16]

Caliber: 40 mm launcher; 40 and 70 - 105mm warheads (depending on the grenade model)
Type: recoilless launch + rocket booster
Overall length: 650 mm
Weight: 6.3 kg unloaded, with PGO-7 telescope sight
Effective range: 200-500 meters, depending on the grenade type

Produced by POF:

TECHNICAL DATA
Length of rocket 925 mm
Weight of rocket 2.2 kg
Calibre of warhead 85 mm
Calibre of tail unit 40 mm
Performance
Maximum range 500 metres
Effective range 330 metres
Maximum velocity 300 metres/sec.
Accuracy:
Horizontal PE 0.75 metre
Vertical PE 0.75 metre
Penetration 0.23 to 0.30 meter thick armour plate
Packing
Each rocket is placed in a polythene sleeve/plastic container and 6 rockets packed in a wooden box:
Size of box 81 x 25.4 x 46.7 cm
Weight of box 35 kg
Colour & marking Service brown with yellow/white stenciling

Abingdonboy · Jul 24, 2012

Pakistani Nationalist said:
RPG is not just an inaccurate or rudimentary as you claim and is use with more than 51 nations:
Afghanistan[16]
Albania[16]
Algeria[16]
Angola[16]
Armenia[16]
Azerbaijan[16]
Bangladesh[citation needed]
Belarus[16]
Benin[16]
Botswana[16]
Bulgaria: Produced locally by Arsenal Corporation as ATGL-L.[17]
Cambodia[16]
Cape Verde[16]
Central African Republic[16]
Chad[16]
Congo-Brazzaville[16]
Croatia[16]
Cuba[16]
Cyprus[16]
Czech Republic[16]
Democratic Republic of Congo[16]
Djibouti[16]
Egypt[16]
Eritrea[16]
Georgia: Produced locally.[18]
Ghana[16]
Guinea[16]
Guyana[16]
Hungary[19]
Iran[16]
Iraq[16]
Ireland: Used by the Provisional Irish Republican Army in the Northern Ireland Troubles.[citation needed]
Israel: Former user. Rounds produced locally.[20]
Jordan[16]
Kazakhstan[16]
Kyrgyzstan[16]
Laos[16]
Latvia[16]
Lebanon[16]
Liberia: Used by both the Liberian Army and guerrilla factions in the Liberian Civil Wars.[citation needed]
Libya[16] (also used by rebel forces in the 2011 Libyan civil war)
Lithuania[16]
Macedonia[16]
Madagascar[16]
Maldives[citation needed]
Malta[16]
Mauritania[16]
Moldova[16]
Mongolia[16]
Morocco[16]
Nicaragua[16]
Nigeria[16]
North Korea[16]
Palestinian Authority[citation needed]
Pakistan[16]
People's Republic of China: Copied by the People's Liberation Army(PLA)as the Type 69 RPG.[21] The RPG is the most popular RPG-7 copy used over the world.
Poland[16]
Romania[16] - Produced locally by SC Carfil SA from Brașov as AG-7 (Romanian: Aruncătorul de Grenade 7, Grenade Launcher 7).[22]
Russia[16]
Rwanda[16]
Sao Tome and Principe[16]
Senegal[16]
Seychelles[16]
Sierra Leone[16]
Somalia[16]
South Africa: South African National Defence Force.[23]
Sudan: Made by Military Industry Corporation as the Sinar.[24]
Syria[16]
Tajikistan[16]
Togo[16]
Turkey[25]
Turkmenistan[16]
Ukraine[16]
Uzbekistan[16]
Venezuela[26]
Vietnam[16]
Yemen[16]
Zambia[16]
Zimbabwe[16]

Caliber: 40 mm launcher; 40 and 70 - 105mm warheads (depending on the grenade model)
Type: recoilless launch + rocket booster
Overall length: 650 mm
Weight: 6.3 kg unloaded, with PGO-7 telescope sight
Effective range: 200-500 meters, depending on the grenade type

Produced by POF:

TECHNICAL DATA
Length of rocket 925 mm
Weight of rocket 2.2 kg
Calibre of warhead 85 mm
Calibre of tail unit 40 mm
Performance
Maximum range 500 metres
Effective range 330 metres
Maximum velocity 300 metres/sec.
Accuracy:
Horizontal PE 0.75 metre
Vertical PE 0.75 metre
Penetration 0.23 to 0.30 meter thick armour plate
Packing
Each rocket is placed in a polythene sleeve/plastic container and 6 rockets packed in a wooden box:
Size of box 81 x 25.4 x 46.7 cm
Weight of box 35 kg
Colour & marking Service brown with yellow/white stenciling

And??In essence what you have done is produce a list of the 51 poorest nations on earth. Wide-spread usage/high levels of proliferation is not proof it is NOT rudimentary or inaccurate just it is reliable cheap and produced in huge numbers making it easy to source anywhere in the world. Same reasons the AK is in such widespread usage. If these nations could afford to buy alternatives to the RPG they WOULD- the RPG-7 is more than 50 years old! In today's context the RPG-7 is throughly outdated and pretty ineffevitve in its anti-tank role and only good to use as a cheap GL but that's about it, there is a reason the IA went for the Carl Gustov and Shipon (and Javelin) when they could easily have gotten the RPG at any point in the last few decades, the fact that US forces in Afghanistan are adopting the Carl Gustov gives credence to this.

IAF MIL-17-V5 in Russia in 2011:

Abingdonboy · Jul 24, 2012

Kargil war memorial:

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Roybot · Jul 24, 2012

Abingdonboy said:
Kargil war memorial:

lmao thats epic!

DESERT FIGHTER · Jul 24, 2012

Abingdonboy said:
And??In essence what you have done is produce a list of the 51 poorest nations on earth. Wide-spread usage/high levels of proliferation is not proof it is NOT rudimentary or inaccurate just it is reliable cheap and produced in huge numbers making it easy to source anywhere in the world. Same reasons the AK is in such widespread usage. If these nations could afford to buy alternatives to the RPG they WOULD- the RPG-7 is more than 50 years old! In today's context the RPG-7 is throughly outdated and pretty ineffevitve in its anti-tank role and only good to use as a cheap GL but that's about it, there is a reason the IA went for the Carl Gustov and Shipon (and Javelin) when they could easily have gotten the RPG at any point in the last few decades, the fact that US forces in Afghanistan are adopting the Carl Gustov gives credence to this.

Turkey,russia,algeria,turkmenistan,Pakistan,China,Jordan,Iran,Israel,romania,poland,ukraine,macedonia,azerbaijan,syria,Ireland,Cyprus,Latvia,Czech republic etc are poor nations?

And carl gustav was produced in 1948.....thats 64 years... and is heavier and more unaccurate than a modern RPG-7...Which is also in use with NATO... also isntead of shipon...NATO is using LAW and replacing it with AT4.........Also Pak uses TOW-1,TOW-2,Baktar Shikan,MILAN and would be procuring more in future.