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India, Iran distrustful of renewed Afghan-Pakistan ties

By Rajiv Chandrasekaran
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, July 23, 2010; 2:54 PM

NEW DELHI -- Recent moves by Afghanistan and Pakistan to improve their once-frosty relationship have prompted deep concern in other countries in the region and led some to consider strengthening ties to Afghan President Hamid Karzai's political rivals.

The U.S. government considers the Afghan-Pakistan overtures essential to combating insurgencies wracking both nations. But India, Iran and Afghanistan's northern neighbors fear that they are a step toward fulfilling Karzai's desire to negotiate with Taliban leaders and possibly welcome some of them into the government.

These nations believe that Karzai's plans could compromise their security and interests by lessening the influence of Afghanistan's Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara ethnic minorities with whom they have cultivated close links, diplomats and government officials say.

The apprehension, voiced pointedly by senior Indian officials in interviews this week, has emerged as yet another challenge for the U.S. government as it seeks to encourage new initiatives to stabilize Afghanistan while minimizing fallout on the already tense relationship between India and Pakistan.

In an attempt to assuage those concerns, the Obama administration's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard C. Holbrooke, traveled here Wednesday to meet with India's national security adviser and foreign secretary. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, arrived Thursday for two days of meetings with top military and civilian leaders.

The Indians have been riled by a series of recent meetings involving Karzai and Pakistan's top two security officials: the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, and the intelligence director, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha. On Sunday, Afghanistan and Pakistan signed a trade agreement that allows Afghan trucks to drive through Pakistan to the Indian border. Indian officials had wanted to send their own trucks through Pakistan to Afghanistan, but the Pakistani government insisted they not be included in the negotiations. U.S. officials hailed the deal as a major step forward in the relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan and a vital development for Afghanistan's economy.

Of greater concern to the Indians is Karzai's interest in reconciling with elements of the Taliban leadership. Because of the Taliban's historic ties to Pakistan's intelligence agency, Indian officials believe that such a move would give Pakistan new influence in Afghanistan.

Allowing the Taliban, which is dominated by ethnic Pashtuns, to have a role in the Afghan government is something "we don't think is a very good idea," a senior Indian government official said. "It's not that there are two equal political factions, with equal legitimacy, that have a right to political power. Karzai is the elected president. Not the Taliban. It should not be a question of negotiating a place at the table for them."

The Indian government, the official said, disputes "suggestions that come from the Pakistanis that the Taliban is legitimate, they represent the Pashtuns and therefore you need to deal with them and negotiate with them. That's the difference. We don't think they represent the Pashtuns."

Compounding India's pique is the fact that it believed it had cultivated close ties with Karzai. India has opened four consulates in Afghanistan, even though relatively few Indian citizens live there, and invested $1.3 billion in development projects -- far more than Pakistan has.

"The Indians are shell-shocked," said a Western diplomat involved in Afghanistan policy. "They went in with more than a billion dollars, and now Pakistan is eating their lunch."

U.S. officials are trying to persuade the Indians to abandon their traditional zero-sum logic that what's good for Pakistan must be bad for them. "You cannot stabilize Afghanistan without the participation of Pakistan as a legitimate concerned party," Holbrooke said at a meeting with Indian journalists here.

Speaking to reporters on his flight here, Mullen said that "the whole region has a role to play" in Afghan reconciliation but that the Kabul government must take the lead.

In his meetings, Mullen sought to assure Indian officials that the U.S.-led counterinsurgency strategy was on track and that the United States has a long-term commitment to assist Afghanistan. "India, perhaps more than any outside country, has the greatest stake in our success in Afghanistan," one U.S. official said.

The United States, Mullen told reporters, is not "looking for the door out of Afghanistan or out of this region."

But Indian officials remain deeply mistrustful of Pakistan's motivations in Afghanistan. The Pakistanis, officials here contend, have deftly capitalized on Karzai's fears of abandonment by the United States -- fueled in part by his misinterpretation of President Obama's pledge to begin drawing down forces by July 2011 -- by offering to help forge a deal with an insurgency that his army and NATO forces have been unable to defeat.

"Pakistan wants to be able to control the sequence of events in Afghanistan," a second senior Indian official said. "We don't want a situation that would entail a revision to pre-2001, with backward-looking people taking the reins of power in Kabul."

Iran, which is predominantly Shiite Muslim, is also worried about any greater political role for leaders of the almost exclusively Sunni Taliban, many of whom regard Shiites as apostates. Diplomats in New Delhi say Iran has encouraged India to send more of its assistance to provinces in northern and western Afghanistan that are under the control of warlords and other power brokers who were part of the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. The diplomats said that India has not shifted its efforts, much of which were already directed at the north.

Whether the Taliban is genuinely interested in reconciliation is questionable. CIA director Leon Panetta said last month that he saw no clear indications that insurgent leaders wanted to engage in peace talks with the Afghan government.

Mullen echoed that assessment, saying he does not believe reconciliation is imminent. "We've got to be in a position of strength," he said. "We're just not there yet."

washingtonpost.com

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Pakistan must also recognise its mistakes in Afghanistan. We should have supported a coalition government in Afghanistan after Soviet withdrawl. Shah Massoud was neither treated with repect nor given arms he asked to fight the Soviets. ISI created their own enemy and the Indians took advantage of the situation. Then Pakistan put all their eggs in Taliban basket and after 9/11 we lost nearly everything in Afghanistan. Now the Dari and Tajik speakers in the northern Afghanistan don't like Pakistanis. Even in Canada I have met so many Afghans which are totaly disgusted with Pakistan's policies. After this agreement there may be a new round or inning and hopefully ISI and Pakistan Army will take a longer view and cultivate good relations with all Afghan factions.
 
It was apart of their desperate strategy to spread their influence in Afghanistan.

It failed. :partay:

:cheers: The ground reality might be a little different. Most people in Afghanistan would favor India :toast_sign:
 
As usual both of them will try to form a partnership in evil by supporting "minor factions". It is true that poverty is rapidly decereasing in India but simply crossing the bare minimum "poor income" standards does not make ones life comfortable magically. What matters is average PPP.
 
Pakistan must also recognise its mistakes in Afghanistan. We should have supported a coalition government in Afghanistan after Soviet withdrawl. Shah Massoud was neither treated with repect nor given arms he asked to fight the Soviets. ISI created their own enemy and the Indians took advantage of the situation. Then Pakistan put all their eggs in Taliban basket and after 9/11 we lost nearly everything in Afghanistan. Now the Dari and Tajik speakers in the northern Afghanistan don't like Pakistanis. Even in Canada I have met so many Afghans which are totaly disgusted with Pakistan's policies. After this agreement there may be a new round or inning and hopefully ISI and Pakistan Army will take a longer view and cultivate good relations with all Afghan factions.

Finally some one has something relevant to say thanks buddy :cheers: Hope the government of Pakistan :pakistan: realize that and we Indians can sleep without worrying abt another Kandahar incident .
 
It won't mean much unless Karzai could hold onto his government without any help. Otherwise, they'll just go into a massive civil war like last time.
 
By the time US leaves Af ..India might've dumbed huge weapons thr to waring factions--spiraling the violence to Pakistan as its taking place now..So i think things will go out of hands for pakistan once US leaves Af--the Indian Army will try to pressurize them in the east front--so that becomes a potential headache to Pakistan--an unstable Af is more suitable to INDIA--because this will be a headache to Pakistan---

so i think Pak should continue with the free meals (WOT $$ & India (?) and try to have peace with INDIA and have some joint peace initiative with INDIA w r t Af.
 
What an @$$ ho!e,When did China come into discussion?:undecided:
I said that i have experienced the CHANGE in India cuz i live here, you just cannot F#cking make conclusions sitting there and using your internet sources.
Reality is that India is changing and is bound to replace China as the fastest growing economy in the next 30 years.:eek::agree:
After all China cannot be the fastest developing ,with its low grade Toys and T-shirts.:no::lol:


Pakistan will always be benefited from prosperous Afghanistan.

Whatever investment India has done so far do not guarantee profits and pay backs. However If Pakistanis want to exposed themselves to Afghan people, let them...Keep this thread alive.

Just watch how will they react now after this post.

Regards
 
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