Indian Iran Collaboration & Pakistan's Failure To Build Power Base In GCC:---

[MastanKhan]

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Hi,

I have changed the title to India / Iran collaboration---check out my views on page 4:---

National crisis don't happen in ether and neither do conflicts between two nations who have already been at war---. There are precursors and happenings in real time that appear which would lead to what is coming at you in the future---.

When the Yemen crisis started---the GCC with the permission of west asked pak military to take charge and head off the insurgency---.

That was a shocking moment for india and momentarily it did not comprehend how west would allow pakistan to present its military force in the GCC and take charge of the area---. How could america and UK allow pakistan to establish multiple military bases in the gulf countries and change the power structure---.

A pakistani military base in Oman would be critical to indian interests because it would placed adjacent to the indian coastline across the ocean---a military base in Emirates would deeply influence emirati public's opinion shifting towards pakistan and same for the bases in Bahrain and saudia---. That would be a total catastrophe for indian foreign policy and towards indian occupied kashmir---.

So a plan was devised on a fastrak to counter this proposal---. India approached pakistan media personalities and gave them huge sums of money---they approached some politicians who were on the take and gave them financial assistance and they indirectly approached the politicians who had a soft corner for iran---.

Thus started the campaign against troop buildup and movement to GCC with certain slogans and keywords---. The reason for this campaign was to create a wedge between the GCC and pakistan permanently and separate pakistan from other influential muslim countries---.

This opportunity became the precursor to what was to come years later if the plan succeeded in its implementation to create the division and differences---.

It started with " we are not a mercenary army "---" you have spent so much money on weapons now fight your own wars "---" we are not on your payroll that you ask us to jump and we will "---" shias are our brothers we don't have a bone of contention in this conflict "---a declaration of solidarity with iran came thru---pakistan declared we will not interfere in anyone's conflict at all---" your problem---you handle it "---became the pakistani mantra---.

India was ecstatic at the pakistani publics response---it was way beyond their expectations---they never imagined that the pakistanis would go that far and openly show hatred towards the GCC---openly degrade insult and humiliate the GCC---openly target the militaries of GCC as cowards and incompetent---.

This hatred had gone way beyond the wildest imaginations of the indian planners and the insiders report that there was a momentary shock of disbelief at the highest echelons of power in india---at how badly pakistan had faltered at this god given opportunity---.

On the other hand---the west could not believe what it was seeing---. The west had placed the GCC on a platter and given it to pakistan to build up on the only usable industry that it had---build up its economy and resource and with the resulting increase of military strength and power projection---it would be in a far better position to resolve its boundary issues with its arch enemy india---.

The west thought that pakistani leaders and military would understand the TRUE reason behind the gesture and would jump on it without hesitation to do what it had wanted for the last many decades to be financially economically and militarily strong to resolve the kashmir conflict while solving the Yemen crisis---.

From their experience---the west knew that the experience that the pak military had in containing insurgency back home---they would succeed in containing the yemen insurgency in a professional and ethical manner and contain the damage to life and property as they had shown in Fata---.

But all plans come crumbling down when the horse does not want to drink water---. CONTD

@BATMAN @war&peace @Mangus Ortus Novem @Irfan Baloch @Khafee

 

[PakGuns]

Hi,

National crisis don't happen in ether and neither do conflicts between two nations who have already been at war---. There are precursors and happenings in real time that appear which would lead to what is coming at you in the future---.

When the Yemen crisis started---the GCC with the permission of west asked pak military to take charge and head off the insurgency---.

That was a shocking moment for india and momentarily it did not comprehend how west would allow pakistan to present its military force in the GCC and take charge of the area---. How could america and UK allow pakistan to establish multiple military bases in the gulf countries and change the power structure---.

A pakistani military base in Oman would be critical to indian interests because it would placed adjacent to the indian coastline across the ocean---a military base in Emirates would deeply influence emirati public's opinion shifting towards pakistan and same for the bases in Bahrain and saudia---. That would be a total catastrophe for indian foreign policy and towards indian occupied kashmir---.

So a plan was devised on a fastrak to counter this proposal---. India approached pakistan media personalities and gave them huge sums of money---they approached some politicians who were on the take and gave them financial assistance and they indirectly approached the politicians who had a soft corner for iran---.

Thus started the campaign against troop buildup and movement to GCC with certain slogans and keywords---. The reason for this campaign was to create a wedge between the GCC and pakistan permanently and separate pakistan from other influential muslim countries---.

This opportunity became the precursor to what was to come years later if the plan succeeded in its implementation to create the division and differences---.

It started with " we are not a mercenary army "---" you have spent so much money on weapons now fight your own wars "---" we are not on your payroll that you ask us to jump and we will "---" shias are our brothers we don't have a bone of contention in this conflict "---a declaration of solidarity with iran came thru---pakistan declared we will not interfere in anyone's conflict at all---" your problem---you handle it "---became the pakistani mantra---.

India was ecstatic at the pakistani publics response---it was way beyond their expectations---they never imagined that the pakistanis would go that far and openly show hatred towards the GCC---openly degrade insult and humiliate the GCC---openly target the militaries of GCC as cowards and incompetent---.

This hatred had gone way beyond the wildest imaginations of the indian planners and the insiders report that there was a momentary shock of disbelief at the highest echelons of power in india---at how badly pakistan had faltered at this god given opportunity---.

On the other hand---the west could not believe what it was seeing---. The west had placed the GCC on a platter and given it to pakistan to build up on the only usable industry that it had---build up its economy and resource and with the resulting increase of military strength and power projection---it would be in a far better position to resolve its boundary issues with its arch enemy india---.

The west thought that pakistani leaders and military would understand the TRUE reason behind the gesture and would jump on it without hesitation to do what it had wanted for the last many decades to be financially economically and militarily strong to resolve the kashmir conflict while solving the Yemen crisis---.

From their experience---the west knew that the experience that the pak military had in containing insurgency back home---they would succeed in containing the yemen insurgency in a professional and ethical manner and contain the damage to life and property as they had shown in Fata---.

But all plans come crumbling down when the horse does not want to drink water---. CONTD

bruh even though I don't like to sell our soldiers, but I agree with you almost every post by you is mocking of forces and gov but worth considering

 

[MastanKhan]

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Once the indians had contained the strength of pak military and stopped its expansion to become a bigger recognized force in the region---it did not slow down in creating further divide between pakistan and welwishers---.

Pakistanis became programmed to talk bad about the arabs---from military expeditions that were the highlight of the nation---the claims started that and expeditionary force is a mercenary army and other hateful gutter content became the talk of the nation against the GCC---.

Now---when the govt of Imran Khan came into power---IK himself clearly stated of no military assistance for foreign nations---we will not fight any wars for anyone---let them do their own fighting---. This call became the last nail in the coffin of the indian occupied kashmir---.

Pakistan was standing alone---no friends close by---only enemies and those friends who were insulted by pakistan remained---.

So---after the separating pakistan from its herd---india decided it was high time to strike---the struck it did---. Indian occupied kashmir---a total curfew---370 cancelled---IOK annexed---pakistan standing with its mouth agape---in a total shock---peace lovers and irans lovers clueless to what had happened---everywhere confusion amass---.

9 million muslims as hostages in their homes with 900 K troops in charge of containing them---and pakistanis asking those that they insulted humiliated and degraded " where are you people---why did not not come and help us ".

 

[Smoke]

Lol funny, but a bit misleading.

 

[MastanKhan]

Lol funny, but a bit misleading.

Hi,

So---for you the deaths of thousands of kashmiris is funny for you---.

Being enslaved in their homes thru a curfew for the whole of the nation is funny---.

So---the actions that led to annexation of Kashmir is funny---.

How so tragic and shameful---.

 

[Smoke]

Hi,

So---for you the deaths of thousands of kashmiris is funny for you---.

Being enslaved in their homes thru a curfew for the whole of the nation is funny---.

So---the actions that led to annexation of Kashmir is funny---.

How so tragic and shameful---.

Not at all, I'm kashmiri myself Mr. Khan.

It's funny in a sense that we f****d up so bad with diplomacy in the past that the karma gun is now in our faces.

Misleading part was regarding the whole yemen conflict debate.

 

[MastanKhan]

Not at all, I'm kashmiri myself Mr. Khan.

It's funny in a sense that we f****d up so bad with diplomacy in the past that the karma gun is now in our faces.

Misleading part was regarding the whole yemen conflict debate.

Hi,

What we did not do in Yemen was the precursor to what has happened in Kashmir---. It is clear as daylight---.

Tactically---pakistani public gave kashmir on a platter to india---.

 

[mudas777]

In simple words " we are competent in making incompetent decisions". Biggest mistake Nawaz made was to take it to the parliament for the final nod and if that was not bad enough, it was televised debate and all GCC saw it and they could not believe their eyes. How hateful some speeches were towards them, considering millions of Pakistani's depend for their bread and butter from those countries.
All this started as soon as King Suleman came to Pakistan and he gave Nawaz 1.5 billion gift if I am not mistaken and our media specially Dawn paper gone berserk. Since then GCC is not the same for us and one can see clearly how friendless we have been in the current crisis. Recently when Saudi decided to invest 75 billion in India some folks were critical but guys egg is on our face, we blew up the chance as usual.

 

[TheTallGuy]

Mastan Sb, With all due respect! you do know that If Sauds have asked a battalion or a sqn or division or a wing Pakistan would have given it. no problem! but what they asked was far more sinister then said above.
I know our pilots have flown EE Lightnings and Hawker Hunters in 1970s for Saudis against Yemen and Houthi specifically . may be you dont know that..

What Saudis had asked was units based on specific Sect. Now you have just read what i said about Lightnings and Hunters i met a pilot (now retired) who also served there..he was from Shia Sect. he flew at that time...

Please note currently Pakistan Armed Forces are national forces not shia Battlian and Specific Salfi Battlian. They are Pakistan Armed Forces. They are only institution which is above sectarian BS.

So stop thinking about GCC as our Savior...you should listen and "Watch" Imran Khan in Azad Kashmir and How he talked about without Naming Muslim Countries. please i request...some times one should listen and watch the faces and body language. well i dont need to tell you that you know better..after all you sell cars like me.

Do not Blame Pakistan Deep State. Saudis asked a request which was an attempt on our Institution to bifurcate and later divide on bases of Sect hence finishing Pakistan as an entity - God Forbid! we can not fulfill that requirement do we and they GCC countries stand exposed also.

Tactically---pakistani public gave kashmir on a platter to india---.

No. Gen.Ayoub Gave it on Platter in Tashkant Agreement 1965. when we who had captured rajouri, Uri and Poonch.

Are you fishing?

 

[MastanKhan]

Mastan Sb, With all due respect! you do know that If Sauds have asked a battalion or a sqn or division or a wing Pakistan would have given it. no problem! but what they asked was far more sinister then said above.

So stop thinking about GCC as our Savior...you should listen and "Watch" Imran Khan in Azad Kashmir and How he talked about without Naming Muslim Countries. please i request...some times one should listen and watch the faces and body language. well i dont need to tell you that you know better..after all you sell cars like me.

Do not Blame Pakistan Deep State. Saudis asked a request which was an attempt on our Institution to bifurcate and later divide on bases of Sect hence finishing Pakistan as an entity - God Forbid! we can not fulfill that requirement do we and they GCC countries stand exposed also.



No. Gen.Ayoub Gave it on Platter in Tashkant Agreement 1965. when we who had captured rajouri, Uri and Poonch.

Are you fishing?

Hi,

Your information is incorrect---actually misleading---. Saudia may have asked Zia Ul Haq for that---but not this time---.

I have heard IK---all his actions have shown he has no courage to stand up---. He is a very honest man indeed---.

His public statements since he came in power that he won't send military abroad---that statement in itself is against the interests of pakistan---.

 

[Waterboy]

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Hi,

National crisis don't happen in ether and neither do conflicts between two nations who have already been at war---. There are precursors and happenings in real time that appear which would lead to what is coming at you in the future---.

When the Yemen crisis started---the GCC with the permission of west asked pak military to take charge and head off the insurgency---.

That was a shocking moment for india and momentarily it did not comprehend how west would allow pakistan to present its military force in the GCC and take charge of the area---. How could america and UK allow pakistan to establish multiple military bases in the gulf countries and change the power structure---.

A pakistani military base in Oman would be critical to indian interests because it would placed adjacent to the indian coastline across the ocean---a military base in Emirates would deeply influence emirati public's opinion shifting towards pakistan and same for the bases in Bahrain and saudia---. That would be a total catastrophe for indian foreign policy and towards indian occupied kashmir---.

So a plan was devised on a fastrak to counter this proposal---. India approached pakistan media personalities and gave them huge sums of money---they approached some politicians who were on the take and gave them financial assistance and they indirectly approached the politicians who had a soft corner for iran---.

Thus started the campaign against troop buildup and movement to GCC with certain slogans and keywords---. The reason for this campaign was to create a wedge between the GCC and pakistan permanently and separate pakistan from other influential muslim countries---.

This opportunity became the precursor to what was to come years later if the plan succeeded in its implementation to create the division and differences---.

It started with " we are not a mercenary army "---" you have spent so much money on weapons now fight your own wars "---" we are not on your payroll that you ask us to jump and we will "---" shias are our brothers we don't have a bone of contention in this conflict "---a declaration of solidarity with iran came thru---pakistan declared we will not interfere in anyone's conflict at all---" your problem---you handle it "---became the pakistani mantra---.

India was ecstatic at the pakistani publics response---it was way beyond their expectations---they never imagined that the pakistanis would go that far and openly show hatred towards the GCC---openly degrade insult and humiliate the GCC---openly target the militaries of GCC as cowards and incompetent---.

This hatred had gone way beyond the wildest imaginations of the indian planners and the insiders report that there was a momentary shock of disbelief at the highest echelons of power in india---at how badly pakistan had faltered at this god given opportunity---.

On the other hand---the west could not believe what it was seeing---. The west had placed the GCC on a platter and given it to pakistan to build up on the only usable industry that it had---build up its economy and resource and with the resulting increase of military strength and power projection---it would be in a far better position to resolve its boundary issues with its arch enemy india---.

The west thought that pakistani leaders and military would understand the TRUE reason behind the gesture and would jump on it without hesitation to do what it had wanted for the last many decades to be financially economically and militarily strong to resolve the kashmir conflict while solving the Yemen crisis---.

From their experience---the west knew that the experience that the pak military had in containing insurgency back home---they would succeed in containing the yemen insurgency in a professional and ethical manner and contain the damage to life and property as they had shown in Fata---.

But all plans come crumbling down when the horse does not want to drink water---. CONTD

@BATMAN @war&peace @Mangus Ortus Novem @Irfan Baloch @Khafee

Sir my father also agree to what you say. Unfortunately the shia element is really strong within the army and the civil government. I remember an incidence my father told me during his service. He was serving in the punjab ranger during the time when General Hussain Mehdi was DG rangers. General Sahab was a shia and during a conference he said something contradictory about the selection of the first Caliph, as most shia do. A Maj stood up and gave a him a shut up call. Maj was in his last days of service. So we do have this shia element in the army which has a soft heart for Iranian mullahs.

 

[mudas777]

What Saudis had asked was units based on specific Sect. Now you have just read what i said about Lightnings and Hunters i met a pilot (now retired) who also served there..he was from Shia Sect. he flew at that time...

That's an old news and that was during the Zia era request not during the current conflict so don't fall for this one.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Weare God-fearing. That is why we didn't step into Yemen

 

[MastanKhan]

That's an old news and that was during the Zia era request not during the current conflict so don't fall for this one.

Hi,

This issue was never brought up---. I was given other excuses but not this---.

If this issue was there---it would have been brought up---.

 

[TheTallGuy]

That's an old news and that was during the Zia era request not during the current conflict so don't fall for this one.

Ok..what make you think this time they had asked any different. do you have a credible evidence...

Hi,
Your information is incorrect---actually misleading---. Saudia may have asked Zia Ul Haq for that---but not this time---.

Mastan Sb, i am choosing these specific response as i know You are WRONG - Simple one liners will not work. sorry!

I must tell you i am seriously allergic to Sectarianism it just makes me sick for my well being i can grow a big rash!..so please stop fishing sectarian piranhas in PDF. These morons have no place in Pakistan. get them personally sponsored and bring them to USA make them work for your Car showroom and given them a daily dose!