Indian forces open fire at a funeral in Occupied Kashmir

[Hamza913]

the reality remains post partition the Sovereign state of India has only increased in size while

No it hasn't. Have you forgotten about the parts of Kashmir Pakistan and China took?

you have been cut down to half of what you started with.

Bangladesh was not half of Pakistan's land mass lol.

One moslem soldier is equal to 10 hindus

Meh. Hasn't really been disproven on a mass-scale.

Even in 1971, the eastern command was outnumbered 13:1.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

it's unilateral surrender in Dhaka

Stay on topic.

 

[MilSpec]

No it hasn't. Have you forgotten about the parts of Kashmir Pakistan and China took?

Some factual errors;
Pakistan invaded the Kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir, the kingdom acceded to India, and then India gained the territory from which pakistan was evicted to it actual ground position line as of now. Also pakistan ceeded territory to China, not India. Nevertheless, India also gained the states of Hyderabad, Sikkim, goa, diu, daman, junahgadh pondicherry, etc, in total 565 princely states were recognized at the time of British withdrawal. India gained most of them thus only increasing in it's size and despite the popular wishes on the forum, not one state has ceeded from India.

Bangladesh was not half of Pakistan's land mass lol.

I did not mention specific to size, Bangladesh has almost the same amount of people as Pakistan did. But if you insist, sure; not half of your geographical size.

Meh. Hasn't really been disproven on a mass-scale.

Even in 1971, the eastern command was outnumbered 13:1.

use logic in the two sentences, if you insist on 1:10 ratio belief, the your 1971 13:1 ratio become 1.3:1 doesn't it? And still the largest unilateral defeat since wwII, shouldn't the mumin be fighting till death against the kaffir?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

so 92000 momins surrendered .
what makes momins surrender ?

Do you like wearing the same feather in your hat every time you go out?

Dhaka, BD, etc.

Why do Indians harp on this? You guys hate Bangladeshis way more than Pakistanis ever will.

Also, definition of Mu’min is a believer who has reached such a high level that he doesn’t commit the major sins you spoke of.

Not everyone in Pakistan are at this level.

Now try to stay on topic. This is about Kashmir.

 

[MilSpec]

Stay on topic.

follow your own advice then.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Some factual errors;
Pakistan invaded the Kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir, the kingdom acceded to India, and then India gained the territory from which pakistan was evicted to it actual ground position line as of now. Also pakistan ceeded territory to China, not India. Nevertheless, India also gained the states of Hyderabad, Sikkim, goa, diu, daman, junahgadh pondicherry, etc, in total 565 princely states were recognized at the time of British withdrawal. India gained most of them thus only increasing in it's size and despite the popular wishes on the forum, not one state has ceeded from India.



I did not mention specific to size, Bangladesh has almost the same amount of people as Pakistan did. But if you insist, sure; not half of your geographical size.


use logic in the two sentences, if you insist on 1:10 ratio belief, the your 1971 13:1 ratio become 1.3:1 doesn't it? And still the largest unilateral defeat since wwII, shouldn't the mumin be fighting till death against the kaffir?

You are just repeating the official Indian government line.

If we want to read your words, we can just listen to your Foreign Minister’s rants.

follow your own advice then.

Indian one line comments. You think you are clever?

Women, children, babies are dying in kashmir and here you are trying to win points by arguing with Pakistanis on a Pakistani forum.

Get a life.

 

[MilSpec]

You are just repeating the official Indian government line.

If we want to read your words, we can just listen to your Foreign Minister’s rants.

Factual is factual, whether it comes from me or the Ministry of external affairs. It's validity is not suspect just because it came from the government, we are not talking of ISPR or UN representatives who try to pass of Palestinian images as kashmiri.

Indian one line comments. You think you are clever?

weren't you the one going off topic on a mard-e-cumin tangent and then advising me to be on-topic.

Women, children, babies are dying in kashmir and here you are trying to win points by arguing with Pakistanis on a Pakistani forum.
Get a life.

Well, if I see BS, i usually call it. Women children and babies, should not be used by your mumin's as human shields in protest exercises. As far as militancy is concerned, I have no qualms in supporting it's termination with all means possible.

 

[Hamza913]

Pakistan invaded the Kingdom of Jammu and Kashmir, the kingdom acceded to India

Oh please, he clearly intended to join India. Hence why he tried to purge the region of Muslims. If the Pashtuns didn't spring into action, all of the region would have been yours. But they did, so you lost GB and AK.

Also pakistan ceeded territory to China, not India.

Have you forgotten about Aksai Chin?

Nevertheless, India also gained the states of Hyderabad, Sikkim, goa, diu, daman, junahgadh pondicherry, etc, in total 565 princely states were recognized at the time of British withdrawal.

All of which would have gone to India anyway.

Bangladesh has almost the same amount of people as Pakistan did.

Doesn't matter if they were treated as a colony.

use logic in the two sentences, if you insist on 1:10 ratio belief, the your 1971 13:1 ratio become 1.3:1 doesn't it?

Lmao that's not how Maths works.

And still the largest unilateral defeat since wwII

Still not as bad as 1000 years of Muslim domination over Hindus.

 

[GHALIB]

Stay on topic.

 

[TOPGUN]

These people are sick in the head have no morals nor anything they don't understand the word peace they need to be pounded in their head then they will cry again pathetic and coward people and coward forces cant even let people do a burial of their loved ones hell awaits them.

 

[GHALIB]

These people are sick in the head have no morals nor anything they don't understand the word peace they need to be pounded in their head then they will cry again pathetic and coward people and coward forces cant even let people do a burial of their loved ones hell awaits them.

extremists will not be given any space . keep check on hafiz seyed .

 

[MilSpec]

Oh please, he clearly intended to join India. Hence why he tried to purge the region of Muslims. If the Pashtuns didn't spring into action, all of the region would have been yours. But they did, so you lost GB and AK.

Only if facts were on your side, the first act of an independent Pakistan was invasion of kingdom of J&K with "non-state actors" (your own official term). The kingdom only ceeded to India because of Pakistani Invasion. You did not invade the indian state of jammu and Kashmir, but the independent kingdom of J&K, which post invasion ceeded to India, and like all your brilliant tactical, this too was a success untill - India got involved. Post India's involvement you lost the territory gained in the kingdom of J&K to the AGPL as of today (except Siachen, which you lost later in the 80's)

Have you forgotten about Aksai Chin?

Read up the Macartney–MacDonald Line and India's stance on it. No land was ceeded or lost militarily by India.

All of which would have gone to India anyway.

Not necessarily, Junahgadh was a prime contender for Pakistan to gain, but you lost initiative there too. There were other provinces that could have been amalgamated with East Pakistan.

Doesn't matter if they were treated as a colony.

Why wouldn't it, why would be a part of country be treated as a colony?

Lmao that's not how Maths works.

Oh yes thats exactly how Math works. as the ratio you mention is 13:1, but the you fantasize about your 1 molsem equal to 10 hindus, the ratio become 13:10, i.e 1.3:1; quite typical odds to go up against in wars. but not typical to be handed the largest unilateral surrender since WWII, that too within 14 days.

Still not as bad as 1000 years of Muslim domination over Hindus.

Actually close to avg of 800 years of muslim families in certain parts of Indian subcontinent brutalizing not just hindus, but muslims, sikhs, jains, christians alike.
Given the state of Muslims remnants who aspire to be the flagbearers of the past glory days what explains the shambles in which their economy rests?

 

[Hamza913]

Only if facts were on your side

They are on my side. There was no reason for the Maharaja to start killing scores of Muslims for no reason other than to eventually join India. There's a reason he never ceded to Pakistan, but to India instead.

this too was a success untill - India got involved.

AK and GB are still under our control, despite your crying.

No land was ceeded or lost militarily by India.

Not necessarily

Yes necessarily. All the land was destined to be India's.

Why wouldn't it, why would be a part of country be treated as a colony?

Because we didn't view them as equal, just like how the British didn't view us as equal (well, most of us).

but the you fantasize about your 1 molsem equal to 10 hindus

It's not a fantasy, it's pretty much been proven factual most of the time.

Actually close to avg of 800 years of muslim families in certain parts of Indian subcontinent brutalizing not just hindus, but muslims, sikhs, jains, christians alike.

The only Muslims who got put to the sword were the ones who didn't side with Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah (the main body of Muslims), so they had it coming.

Given the state of Muslims remnants who aspire to be the flagbearers of the past glory days what explains the shambles in which their economy rests?

Because we aren't Islamic. When we were, we ruled the world.