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My 0.000002 cents:
IK Gujral (I think VP singh as well) completely decimated RAW network in pak. That is how much naive / stupid Indian leadership has been (sometimes, not always).

When Modi became PM, all this stupidity/naivety ended from India. India has been not been always reactive. I think this is what pak leadership is unable to digest. Removing 370 is something that pak leadership never anticipated or thought india has the guts to do. This gutsy (+ intelligent / pro-active) approach of Modi is what pak leadership hates.

Please don't say that there are no pak spies in india.

Question is: Are you (Pak nation) willing to see same treatment given to a pak spy? As per pak media, India has already kidnapped a former ISI man, and he is in india. Are you willing to see similar treatment to him?

I think pak wants to make an example of KY to deter others, and they have given so much publicity to him that is difficult to exchange.

As long as KY remains in your custody, that ISI guy will stay in India's custody.

Ps: sorry, I deviated from topic a bit.


When Spies operate, they usually operate under diplomatic cover. That way if they are caught, they are declared persona non grata and they are expelled. Or they are high profile people spying for the enemy plotting against own country like the guys from Cambridge. Serving officers operating like Rambo? That's what Pak is painting Kulbhushan to be and even they know it is not true. He was probably a handler near the Pak-Iran border who was lured into Pakistan and caught. If he had actually been caught red handed Pakistan would have held a very public trial. India too lured some guy and had him caught in Nepal in response. He is not coming back. If they hang him without a proper trial, that suits India's narrative.
 
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We are not going to give Indians any opportunities ... they wanted access, they got it on our terms. That's it. No drama coming from it for us, and a few news articles on Indian media crying have no relevance.
That is what Government should do. Your post sounds a bit harsh. Not sure if it is directed to me. Know that I am just analyzing what is going on, so assuming you will help by not taking it as a criticism.
 
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That is what Government should do. Your post sounds a bit harsh. Not sure if it is directed to me. Know that I am just analyzing what is going on, so assuming you will help by not taking it as a criticism.

'Sounds' ... is it factual?
 
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When Spies operate, they usually operate under diplomatic cover. That way if they are caught, they are declared persona non grata and they are expelled.

For my clarification - please explain how spies can operate *effectively* under diplomatic cover? With reasonable certainty, that country will know who is *possible* spy and will follow him whereever he goes. In that scenario, how can he spy effectively?

He is not coming back. If they hang him without a proper trial, that suits India's narrative.


You mean KJ? I think - if he is harmed, that will be new low in relations between India & Pak.
 
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Pakistan meet all Indian diplomat demands at the spot , even KJ was surprise whey they left without talk... Pak FM, S.M Querashi on ARYNEWS.

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Indian diplomats left without listening to Jadhav after being given consular access: FM Qureshi
Naveed SiddiquiUpdated 16 Jul, 2020
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Jadhav — a serving commander of the Indian Navy associated with Indian spy agency Research and Analysis Wing — was arrested on March 3, 2016, from Balochistan on allegations of espionage and terrorism. — INP/File
Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said on Thursday that two officials from the Indian High commission in Islamabad — that had been provided consular access earlier today for a second time to Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav at Delhi's request — left without hearing him out.

In a statement, the foreign minister said that consular access was given according to the terms agreed upon. "India's ill intentions have come to light. They didn't want consular access. [Jhadav] kept asking the Indian diplomats to talk to him and they left."

Jadhav — a serving commander of the Indian Navy associated with Indian spy agency Research and Analysis Wing — was arrested on March 3, 2016, from Balochistan on allegations of espionage and terrorism.

Timeline: How the Kulbhushan Jadhav saga unfolded

Calling the behaviour of the officials "astonishing", the Qureshi questioned that if Indian diplomats didn't want to talk to Jadhav, why did they ask for consular access.

"They had objected to the glass that had been placed in the middle so we removed it. They had also objected to audio and video recordings so that was also not done. We fulfilled all their requests, but still they left." he said.

Earlier today, Pakistan provided consular access for a second time to the Indian spy at Delhi's request while Foreign Office (FO) spokesperson Aisha Farooqui reiterated the country's offer to file an appeal in the Islamabad High Court (IHC) against his conviction and subsequent death sentence by a military court.

In a statement, the FO spokesperson said that two consular officers of the Indian High Commission in Islamabad were provided "unimpeded and uninterrupted access to Jadhav at 1500 hours".

"First consular access under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (VCCR) 1963 was earlier provided by Pakistan on September 2, 2019. The mother and wife of Commander Jadhav were also allowed to meet him on December 25, 2017.

"Commander Jadhav is in Pakistan’s custody following his arrest from Balochistan in a counter-intelligence operation on March 3, 2016. During investigation, Commander Jadhav confessed to his involvement in terrorist activities inside Pakistan that resulted in [the] loss of many precious human lives. He also made important revelations about RAW’s role in sponsoring state terrorism in Pakistan."

The statement added that Pakistan remained committed to fully implementing the International Court of Justice's (ICJ) judgement of July 17, 2019. "It is hoped that India will cooperate with the Pakistan court in giving full effect to the said judgement."

Earlier today, Farooqui had reiterated Pakistan's offer to file an appeal in the IHC against Jadhav's conviction at her weekly press briefing. "The time limit for filing a review petition is 60 days [set to expire on July 19]. We hope that India will cooperate in this regard."

In a statement released shortly after, Qureshi said that Jadhav had "confessed to terrorism with his own mouth".

We accepted the decision of the ICJ, [but] India's attitude has always been negative in this regard and they have not shown cooperation, he said. "However, our thinking is positive and we have presented all the facts to the world. We are proceeding forward within the parameters of the law."

He added that the current Indian government had an extreme mindset which did not care for human rights or the law. "China has tried to improve relations between the two countries, but even China was not spared."

They also targeted Bangladesh and their attitude with Sri Lanka is in front of the world, the foreign minister said. "India is facing setbacks at a global level. If the current Hindutva mindset prevails, then we cannot expect any improvement."

'Jhadav refused to file review petition despite offer'
On July 8, officials had said that Jadhav refused to file an appeal in the high court against his conviction and subsequent death sentence by a military court despite authorities' offer to do so. Instead, Jadhav had decided to apply for a mercy petition, they had said.

In a press conference in Islamabad, Additional Attorney General Ahmed Irfan and Director General (South Asia & SAARC) Zahid Hafeez Chaudhry had said that an ordinance was promulgated by the government on May 20, which allowed the Indian government, Jadhav and his legal representative to file a review petition in IHC within 60 days, which will expire on July 19.

They had said Indian authorities had requested to appoint an Indian lawyer to advocate for Jadhav but if an appeal is filed in the IHC, only a lawyer who holds a licence of the respective court would be able to represent the spy. Therefore, an Indian lawyer cannot advocate for the convicted spy but they may be allowed to assist Jadhav's counsel.

ICJ verdict
In his trial at a military court after his arrest, Jadhav had confessed to his involvement in terrorist plots.

The spy was subsequently sentenced to death in 2017. However, India insisted that Jadhav was not a spy and said he was kidnapped from Iran.

On April 10, 2017, Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa had endorsed the death penalty for Jadhav. In June 2017, the Indian spy had filed a mercy petition against the death penalty, in which he again confessed to his involvement in terrorist activities.

However, before Pakistani authorities could make a final decision, the ICJ, after being approached by India, had ordered a stay in his execution through an interim order in 2019.

Later that year, ICJ announced its verdict on the Kulbhushan Jadhav case, ruling that Jadhav be allowed consular access immediately and asking Pakistan to ensure “effective review and reconsideration of his conviction and sentences”.

The ICJ, however, rejected all other remedies sought by India, which included the annulment of the military court decision convicting Jadhav, restricting Pakistan from executing the sentence, securing Jadhav's release and ordering his return to India.

The ICJ said that even though it had found Pakistan in violation of Article 36 of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (VCCR), "it is not the conviction and sentence of Mr Jadhav which are to be regarded as a violation of Article 36 of the Vienna Convention."

The most the ICJ said it could do was to order Pakistan to cease violation of Article 36 and review the case in light of how that violation may have affected the case's outcome.

"The Court notes that Pakistan acknowledges that the appropriate remedy in the present case would be effective review and reconsideration of the conviction and sentence," it observed.

To this end, Pakistan was directed to immediately inform Jadhav of his rights under Article 36, grant India consular access, and then review the case while considering, under the laws of Pakistan, how not doing so earlier may have impacted the case's outcome.
 
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Do you know what you are trying to say? A spy and India wouldn't catch him as of yet?
He is saying, one of those dumb Pakistanis who like visiting naziville, will be caught and falsely hanged in return.

When is the hanging ceremony?
When someone in the corridors of power in Pak, grows a pair.
 
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Post the CCTV camera footage or shut up. Pakistan needs to go on the offense or else stop with these sorry stories.
 
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For my clarification - please explain how spies can operate *effectively* under diplomatic cover? With reasonable certainty, that country will know who is *possible* spy and will follow him whereever he goes. In that scenario, how can he spy effectively?




You mean KJ? I think - if he is harmed, that will be new low in relations between India & Pak.
How low can they get anyway? It's not as if we are going there for lit fests and they coming here for ghazal concerts.

For my clarification - please explain how spies can operate *effectively* under diplomatic cover? With reasonable certainty, that country will know who is *possible* spy and will follow him whereever he goes. In that scenario, how can he spy effectively?




You mean KJ? I think - if he is harmed, that will be new low in relations between India & Pak.
Spies are typically given charge at a consular level. They have diplomatic cover because they are assigned to stuff like "Cultural attache" or something random like that. They cultivate assets and when caught they are expelled from the home country. I think even Doval was a diplomat in Lahore at some point.
 
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