Indian Denial Accepting Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism as Separate Religions

[third eye]

Global/Regional Ramifications of India’s Constitutional Denial in Accepting Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism as Separate Religions
Don’t you think that it is time for the people of India to sort out their internal mess within their borders without blaming beyond it on other regional countries and those beyond.

Thank you for your inputs.

Don't you also think ppl shuld mind their own business & not poke their noses into subjects & issue they have scanty or no knowledege about ?Least of all outside their domains ? One good the IA has always done is not to try & fix something that isnt broke.

Hindu Indians are fools to imagine any Sikh, Jain or Buddhist likes to be called a Hindu. Sikhs have separate Regts. Kitchens and dining are separate for each. Temples are different. They hardly intermarry. Religious scriptures are different. Priests are different. They don't eat in each others houses. Will not share utensils or village wells. All this is a Chanokya move to devour the minorities. Muslims and Christians will be targeted in the next phase.

Recently, particularly after the Sikh Genocide 1984, IA is opening SLI up to others. This is again something the Sikhs resent. But even in these mixed units, companies and kitchens follow strict religious and cast lines.

Why are ppl forever trying to be more British than the English or mor Indian than Indians !

I cannot comprehend why must ppl speak with such authority on subjects they have imaginary information about ? This suggestion is laughable to say the least & is so silly that its not even worth commenting upon.

This is not true at all. I'd look no further than @Joe Shearer or @third eye for further elaboration.

 

[karan21]

Lol if Indians can accept Manmohan Singh a Sikh with beard and a turban as the Prime Minister and then reelect him again, if we can accept Gen Bikram Singh as the COAS, then there is no point in this argument anymore.

 

[asad71]

For officers the SLI has always been open to them- regardless of their religion. Muslim, Hindu and Christian officers have all served in the SLI. Traditionally the SLI has been composed of mostly Sikh NCOs and Jawans but it is not unheard of to see non-Sikh NCOs and Jawans in the SLI but given where the SLI HQ is and where they recruit from 99% of the SLI is bound to be Sikhs. There is NO SUCH thing as a deliberate attempt to "de-Sikh" the SLI. All regiments raised post 1947 have been "all-India" regiments were there is no religious identity of the unit. There is thus bound to be certain levels of this "all India" mindset seeping into ALL Indian army units but this has ZILCH to do with 1984 or anything like that.

In the IA there is NO such thing as caste and officers follow the religion of their men.


And there is NO resentment in the SLI or Sikh regmt- why should there be? The men of the SLI do not care about the relgion of the man next to them- this is a FACT. The SLI is one of the most decorated and elite units in the IA- they simply care about maintaining this prestige.

This is coming from someone whose uncle served in the Sikh LI and later PARA regmt.


It is utterly shameful that a "professional" feels the need to spout such nonsense.

1. Officers are not commissioned on class basis. But in IA only the Guards are recruited from all over.

2. Cast and religion plus origin make up regts. Even the Sikhs are distributed per the Sikh casts.

3. You have no idea how regts are constituted. Can you imagine a Muslim soldier charging with, "Kali mat aki Jai" or Har Har Mahadev. Or a Sikh or Hindu yelling, Allah O Akbar?

 

[asad71]

who is the genius who made him "Prfessinal" ?

Somebody who can spell p-r-o-f-e-s-s-i-o-n-a-l.

 

[asad71]

Lol if Indians can accept Manmohan Singh a Sikh with beard and a turban as the Prime Minister and then reelect him again, if we can accept Gen Bikram Singh as the COAS, then there is no point in this argument anymore.

MMS won't get a single vote in Punjab or from Punjabis. So must select a safe constituency in NE where security forces ensure his win. Bikram is a "tattoo" of Congress according to Indian media.

 

[surya kiran]

MMS won't get a single vote in Punjab or from Punjabis. So must select a safe constituency in NE where security forces ensure his win. Bikram is a "tattoo" of Congress according to Indian media.

MMS wont get a single vote anywhere. The NE is a Congress stronghold.

1. Officers are not commissioned on class basis. But in IA only the Guards are recruited from all over.

2. Cast and religion plus origin make up regts. Even the Sikhs are distributed per the Sikh casts.

3. You have no idea how regts are constituted. Can you imagine a Muslim soldier charging with, "Kali mat aki Jai" or Har Har Mahadev. Or a Sikh or Hindu yelling, Allah O Akbar?

Outdated information. Indian regiments have officer corps from all over. And please don't tell me I don't know how regiments in India are constituted.

 

[vsdave2302]

Simply because the philosophy of Hinduism is at the heart of All these religion. Guru granth sahib contains the name of Ram tens of thousand of time. The concept of Amsinha and Tap are at the heart of Jainism and Buddhism which they have taken from Yogdarshana which is one of the six philosophical text (Shad Darshan) of Hinduism. This is beyond the understanding of people who follows and interprets the codes written in a desert 1500 years ago which bans reasoning and commands follower to follow codes in the name of religion.

 

[third eye]

1. Officers are not commissioned on class basis. But in IA only the Guards are recruited from all over.

2. Cast and religion plus origin make up regts. Even the Sikhs are distributed per the Sikh casts.

3. You have no idea how regts are constituted. Can you imagine a Muslim soldier charging with, "Kali mat aki Jai" or Har Har Mahadev. Or a Sikh or Hindu yelling, Allah O Akbar?

Oh Dear..

Where do you pick up these silly tid bits from ? Read this about the Mahar Regiment ( A Infantary Regt). Note the date when onwards the composition changed.

This is just one such regt & there are more.

As regards the ' concern' for the Battle cry - This Regiment's cry is " Bolo Hindustan Ki Jai".

Problem solved ?

Mahar Regiment

'The class composition of the Regiment also changed. While 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 8th and 13th battalions were all pure Mahar battalions, the others were mixed classes right down to the smallest sub-unit level. The conversion training started in November 1963 with 1st Mahar and completed in May 1964 with 10th Mahar. The year 1965 saw all the battalions of the regiment gearing up for operations. These included the newly raised 11th and 12th battalions that had the unique composition of Bengalis, Oriyas and Gujratis - the communities that had been stamped as non-martial by the British. Their entry into the Mahar fraternity added strength to national integration-the distinctive feature which the regiment has always been proud of. In 1966, the Regiment gained two new battalions in its fold- the 13th and the 108 Infantry Battalion (Territorial Army). The TA battalion which was initially affiliated to Rajputana Rifles was re-organised by interchanging and conversion of personnel between this battalion and the 227th Air Defence Regiment Territorial Army. The Regiment acquired its 14th battalion originally called the 31st battalion in 1968. Belonging to a new series, known as the Thirty Series, raised for counter-insurgency role in Nagaland and Mizo Hills, it was specially trained and equipped for aid to civil power. '

 

[third eye]

This thread :

 

[vsdave2302]

It's hardly any surprise , as Hinduism is a mambo jumbo religion.

Its has no structure or clear definition - its plain tribalism, worshipers of Satan, the devil, ghost and spirits, fake gurus/humans (e.g Sai Baba etc) and animals are considered as God and automatically labeled as Hindus.


The above might be true to some extent with Northern India esp Punjab/Sindh - intermarrying/adoption of Sikhis. That isn't the case with in South India. There was no love between the Buddhists/Jains and Hindus esp in the states of Tamilnadu and Andhra Pradesh !!! Theravada Buddhist were prosecuted by Tamil Hindu kings and they had to flee to Lanka and thus carry with them their anti Hindu sentiments which is reflected in their later day works

You have failed to understand the difference between religion, customs and codes. If Hinduism is something which you think, It would have perished like hundreds of other religions and culture. It is religion and therefore it is for whole mankind and not for believers or Nations or follower or tribes only. We call Bharadwaj as Rishi, we call charvak ( A believer of materialism) as rishi as well. Hinduism states the fact but simultaneously states not to believe unless your reason provide you to believe.That is why what you have written is not a blasphemy for Hinuds. You can tell this in open in India. People will come and discuss with you but there will not be any Fatwa and Execution for hearting HINDUS' sentiment. I hope you will appreciate the difference.

 

[vsdave2302]

We Muslims consider the Christians and Jews belonging to Ahl e Qitab, or people of the Book. Their prophets are our prophets too, but Muhammad PBUH is the last and the closest to Allah SWT. Their holy books are our too, but The Holy Qu'oran is the last/ final book of Message. Unfortunately however, unlike our Holy Quoran, the Christians and to some extent, the Jews, have lost their original scriptures owing to personal greed of priests and rulers over millenniums.

If Quaran is last holy book and Muhammad PBUH is the last and the closest to Allah SWT than who will en light those Idiots and Ignorant who are killing people of their own sect and others in the name of religion and who needs spiritual enlightenment to become even Normal Human being.

 

[vsdave2302]

BUDDHISM IN ANDHRA PRADESH

Buddhists and Hindus never lived peacefully in India or Lanka, they were after each others' blood !!

Is it written any where that they were tortured and killed and that is why Buddhism vanished? It was a age when every body propagate their own religion. People did not accepted Buddhism so it Vanished. Other reason is Jainism is almost similar to Buddhism and people accepted Jainism.

 

[asad71]

Oh Dear..

Where do you pick up these silly tid bits from ? Read this about the Mahar Regiment ( A Infantary Regt). Note the date when onwards the composition changed.

This is just one such regt & there are more.

As regards the ' concern' for the Battle cry - This Regiment's cry is " Bolo Hindustan Ki Jai".

Problem solved ?

Mahar Regiment

'The class composition of the Regiment also changed. While 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 8th and 13th battalions were all pure Mahar battalions, the others were mixed classes right down to the smallest sub-unit level. The conversion training started in November 1963 with 1st Mahar and completed in May 1964 with 10th Mahar. The year 1965 saw all the battalions of the regiment gearing up for operations. These included the newly raised 11th and 12th battalions that had the unique composition of Bengalis, Oriyas and Gujratis - the communities that had been stamped as non-martial by the British. Their entry into the Mahar fraternity added strength to national integration-the distinctive feature which the regiment has always been proud of. In 1966, the Regiment gained two new battalions in its fold- the 13th and the 108 Infantry Battalion (Territorial Army). The TA battalion which was initially affiliated to Rajputana Rifles was re-organised by interchanging and conversion of personnel between this battalion and the 227th Air Defence Regiment Territorial Army. The Regiment acquired its 14th battalion originally called the 31st battalion in 1968. Belonging to a new series, known as the Thirty Series, raised for counter-insurgency role in Nagaland and Mizo Hills, it was specially trained and equipped for aid to civil power. '

All three eyes conveniently left out the first par in the Wikipedia:

The Mahar Regiment is an Infantry Regiment of the Indian Army. Although it was originally intended to be a regiment consisting of troops from the Mahars in Maharashtra, the Mahar Regiment is one of the only regiments in the Indian Army that is composed of troops from all communities and regions of India.

 

[vsdave2302]

70% Indians live in rural areas: Census | Business Standard

Few years back Tamil board (Std 10) result was declared. There were 25 students in first 10. All were from rural area and Govt school. Kalam and V K saraswat were from Village only.

 

[asad71]

If Quaran is last holy book and Muhammad PBUH is the last and the closest to Allah SWT than who will en light those Idiots and Ignorant who are killing people of their own sect and others in the name of religion and who needs spiritual enlightenment to become even Normal Human being.

Only an Ignorant Idiot will make such a statement in PDF. Using the prefix "If" in that statement is most objectionable.