Indian, Chinese fighter aircraft come face to face near Arunachal border

[Joe Shearer]

I am a long way from the Yellow River.

After I am melted into radioactive ashes, it will be a very long journey before I reach there.

Someone get me a ghostly motorcycle.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/218916-pakistan-emerge-major-bike-maker-years-ahead.html


They have some experts there who might be able to help you. One department specialises in running internal combustion engines on water; useful on the spirit trail. Another department is able to tap energy from the celestial sphere, another useful development.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Nuclear weapons for a A2A mission! Fcuk! Make me the editor!

Didn't you know?

The new idea is to shoot planes out of the sky using strategic nuclear missiles.

And ducks too.

 

[conworldus]

I didn't know that our Su-27s are nuclear capable. Also most of the Su-27s have been retired and replaced by J-11Bs which have modern avionics.

SOURCE: INDIA TV NEWS



Chinese nuclear-capable SU-27 fighter aircraft came close to a confrontation with Indian Air Force jets on October 30 afternoon in the Tawang region of Arunachal Pradesh, says a report in the Delhi tabloid Mail Today.The news report, said to be based on reports filed by the IAF and external intelligence agency RAW , says, on October 30, some IAF jets were on a routine sortie mission in Arunachal Pradesh, when the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force’s Lhasa-based radar picked them up, setting off a chain reaction.
At 3:04 pm, two chinese nuclear-armed Sukhoi-27 jets took off from Gonggar air base in Tibet to confront the IAF jeets. The Chinese aircraft, according to the Mail Today report, flew southeast towards the Indian side, and were picked up on the radar at 3:29 pm near Cuona.

The drama lasted for nearly 50 minutes, just 30 km short of the Line of Actual Control, but the Chinese fighter aircraft realizing that the IAF jets had no intention of any offensive move, turned back, says the report.

The Research and Analysis Wing sent to the government a report on the incident on November 9. The newspaper report says the radars twice lost track of the Chinese Sukhoi-27 aircraft, giving anxious moments to the top IAF brass. The Indian jet fighters too disappeared from the radar once, says the report.

The Chinese Sukhoi-27 aircraft was provided tactical radar support by the 42 Radar Regiment of the PLAAF, which is deployed all over Tibet.

The PLAAF is Asia’s largest air force with nearly 1,600 aircraft. China has already five operational airfields in Gonggar, Pangta Linchi, Hoping and Gar Gunsa.

Indian, Chinese fighter aircraft come face to face near Arunachal border | idrw.org

 

[veekysingh]

let the fire work begin. n

maybe they had some kind of nuclear armed A2A missile. i like indian media so much.

 

[Obambam]

Nuclear exchange is just around the corner by the sound of things

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

let the fire work begin. n

maybe they had some kind of nuclear armed A2A missile. i like indian media so much.

This is exactly right.

Why use a conventional A2A missile when you can just nuke the entire sky to get rid of the planes?

Who will dare to fly a combat aircraft into the sky again when you have proven that you are willing to nuke the Heavens themselves?

This is making me hungry.

 

[veekysingh]

dooms day is coming.

 

[veekysingh]

I didn't know that our Su-27s are nuclear capable. Also most of the Su-27s have been retired and replaced by J-11Bs which have modern avionics.

even after having 1000s post u talk like this?
'' People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) had a fleet of 76 Su-27 fighters, consisting of 36 Su-27SKs and 40 Su-27UBKs. The Flankers were produced under three separate contracts by the Russian KnAAPO and IAPO plants. Delivery of the aircraft began in February 1991 and finished by September 2009. The first contract was for 18 Su-27SK and 6 Su-27UBK aircraft. The deal, known as '906 Project' within China, saw the Su-27 exported to a foreign country for the first time. In February 1991, an Su-27 performed a flight demonstration at Beijing's Nanyuan Airport. The official induction to service with the PLAAF occurred shortly thereafter. Chinese Su-27 pilots described its performance as "outstanding" in all aspects and flight envelopes. Differences over the payment method delayed the signing of the second, identical contract. For the first batch, 70% of the payment had been made in barter transactions with light industrial goods and food. Russian Federation argued that future transactions should be made in US dollars. In May 1995, Chinese Central Military Commission Vice Chairman, Liu Huaqing visited Russia and agreed to the term, on a condition that the production line of Su-27 be imported. The contract was signed the same year. Delivery of the final aircraft from the second batch, occurred in July 1996. In preparation for the expanding Su-27 fleet, the PLAAF sought to augment its trainer fleet. On December 3, 1999, a third contract was signed, this time for 28 Su-27UBKs. All 76 of the aircraft featured strengthened airframe and landing gear - result of the PLAAF demands that the fighter has a "usable" air-ground capability. As a result, the aircraft are capable of employing most of the conventional Air-to-Ground ordnance produced by Russia. Maximum Take-Off Weight (MTOW) increased to 33,000 kg (72,750 lb). As is common for Russian export fighters, the active jamming device was downgraded- Su-27's L005 ECM pod was replaced with the L203/L204 pod. Furthermore, there were slight avionics differences between the batches. The first batch had N001E radar, while the later aircraft had N001P radar, capable of engaging two targets at the same time. Additionally, ground radar and navigational systems were upgraded. Of some note is that none of the aircraft are capable of deploying the R-77 "Adder" missile due to a downgraded fire control system.[18]''
no body retires a/c just 20 or less year old.

 

[conworldus]

Yes the Su-27s are being retired because the avionics are outdated and the airframes have reached their service limit. The age doesn't matter. If the aircraft no longer serves the purpose, you retire it instead of wasting money maintaining it, especially when have the money and capability to build better ones. Nothing you quoted is after 2000.

Attrition: Chinese Su-27s Die Of Old Age

even after having 1000s post u talk like this?
'' People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) had a fleet of 76 Su-27 fighters, consisting of 36 Su-27SKs and 40 Su-27UBKs. The Flankers were produced under three separate contracts by the Russian KnAAPO and IAPO plants. Delivery of the aircraft began in February 1991 and finished by September 2009. The first contract was for 18 Su-27SK and 6 Su-27UBK aircraft. The deal, known as '906 Project' within China, saw the Su-27 exported to a foreign country for the first time. In February 1991, an Su-27 performed a flight demonstration at Beijing's Nanyuan Airport. The official induction to service with the PLAAF occurred shortly thereafter. Chinese Su-27 pilots described its performance as "outstanding" in all aspects and flight envelopes. Differences over the payment method delayed the signing of the second, identical contract. For the first batch, 70% of the payment had been made in barter transactions with light industrial goods and food. Russian Federation argued that future transactions should be made in US dollars. In May 1995, Chinese Central Military Commission Vice Chairman, Liu Huaqing visited Russia and agreed to the term, on a condition that the production line of Su-27 be imported. The contract was signed the same year. Delivery of the final aircraft from the second batch, occurred in July 1996. In preparation for the expanding Su-27 fleet, the PLAAF sought to augment its trainer fleet. On December 3, 1999, a third contract was signed, this time for 28 Su-27UBKs. All 76 of the aircraft featured strengthened airframe and landing gear - result of the PLAAF demands that the fighter has a "usable" air-ground capability. As a result, the aircraft are capable of employing most of the conventional Air-to-Ground ordnance produced by Russia. Maximum Take-Off Weight (MTOW) increased to 33,000 kg (72,750 lb). As is common for Russian export fighters, the active jamming device was downgraded- Su-27's L005 ECM pod was replaced with the L203/L204 pod. Furthermore, there were slight avionics differences between the batches. The first batch had N001E radar, while the later aircraft had N001P radar, capable of engaging two targets at the same time. Additionally, ground radar and navigational systems were upgraded. Of some note is that none of the aircraft are capable of deploying the R-77 "Adder" missile due to a downgraded fire control system.[18]''
no body retires a/c just 20 or less year old.

 

[veekysingh]

Yes the Su-27s are being retired because the avionics are outdated and the airframes have reached their service limit. The age doesn't matter. If the aircraft no longer serves the purpose, you retire it instead of wasting money maintaining it, especially when have the money and capability to build better ones. Nothing you quoted is after 2000.

Attrition: Chinese Su-27s Die Of Old Age

just airframes are retiring , u can always do the over hulling and mid life upgrades. as the article says they are only 24 in numbers which were bought in early 90s. so rest of them (52) are still flying in sky.

 

[Lyrical Mockery]

i didn't knew air-forces these days send fighters with nukes onboard to confront other fighters.

 

[conworldus]

just airframes are retiring , u can always do the over hulling and mid life upgrades. as the article says they are only 24 in numbers which were bought in early 90s. so rest of them (52) are still flying in sky.

Yes, but China chose not to upgrade it and instead just replace them with newer versions. You do this when you have the budget, technology, and need.

The first batch was delivered in 1995 and retired in 2009. The final batch was delivered in 1999. As I said, the rest are in the process of decommissioning. Some will be turned into practice targets; some will go to the grave. Regardless, they won't service the front line, and definitely are not stationed in places like the Tibetan Plateau. Lastly, the Su-27 performance in the drills have been pretty miserable, getting beaten pretty bad by J-10s.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

i didn't knew air-forces these days send fighters with nukes onboard to confront other fighters.

It's the new "in-thing" nowadays.

Apparently.

 

[KS]

 

[Vibs]

Interesting. Not only did the tabloid know that the Chinese planes have nukes, they even knew which ones had them .
Maybe we should make the editor the head of Military Intelligence...

(no, the irony of using the word Intelligence is not lost on me..)