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India is an irresponsible state which can get into war with Pakistan at any time listening to its cheap masala media. In order to ensure peace in the region and stability..Pakistan will have to have a response for India's advancement in every field..which is good for both of us.

i will really like if pak will respond india's achivment in EVERY FIELD not only military. coz it will help India to grow and ya Pak too.
how much awacs pak going to induct in future.
 
Don't worry about that. Our Su-30MKI are upgraded to Israeli systems. So if a further upgrade is required, israel would be more than happy to add. Although I believe its already integrated.

But Mig21s and Jaguars and Mig27s may not be compatible with AWACS.
i have no doubt abt su 30 ,
mig 21 dont have to run long with iaf now , but what abt jaguar .
is there any upgradation or they will not linked with AWACS.
 
i have no doubt abt su 30 ,
mig 21 dont have to run long with iaf now , but what abt jaguar .
is there any upgradation or they will not linked with AWACS.

Nope... i think Jags are already integrated (experimental)... may be one or two... D reason m saying this is in Vayu Shakti-10, all aircrafts wer guided by Phalcon towards their launch point... well m no expert... don bash me if m wrong... just stating the fact...:blah:
 
Erieye radar

The Erieye radar system, is an Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AEW&C) developed by Saab Microwave Systems (formerly Ericsson Microwave Systems) of Sweden. It is based on the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA). The Erieye is used on a variety of aircraft platforms, such as the Brazilian Embraer E-99 or EMB-145. It has recently been implemented on the Saab 2000 aircraft.

The Erieye Ground Interface Segment (EGIS; not to be confused with the Aegis combat system) is a major component of the software used by the Erieye system.

The radar provides 300 degree coverage and has an instrumental range of 450km and detection range of 350 km in a dense hostile electronic warfare environment—in heavy radar clutter and at low target altitudes. In addition to this, the radar is also capable of identifying friends or foes, and has a sea surveillance mode.

The Erieye system has full interoperability with NATO air defence command and control systems.

Sweden has loaned two of these systems to Greece, while they are still owned by the Swedish Air Force. SAAB signed an 8 billion kronor provisional contract to supply 6 of these systems to Pakistan, which was finalized in June 2006 at four aircraft, one of which has been delivered to date.

Recently, Royal Thai Air Force signed the contact to order an Erieye system equipped on Saab 340 and has the option to order another system. This order is a part of Gripen order.

Design

The Erieye AEW&C mission system radar is an active, phased-array, pulse-Doppler sensor that can feed an onboard operator architecture or downlink data (via an associated datalink subsystem) to a ground-based air defence network. The system employs a large aperture, dual-sided antenna array housed in a dorsal 'plank' fairing. The antenna is fixed, and the beam is electronically scanned, which provides for improved detection and significantly enhanced tracking performance compared with radar-dome antenna systems. Erieye detects and tracks air and sea targets out to the horizon (and beyond due to anomalous propagation) —instrumented range has been measured at 450 km. Typical detection range against fighter-sized targets is approximately 425 km, in a 150° broadside sector, both sides of the aircraft. Outside these sectors, performance is reduced in forward and aft directions.

Other system features include: Adaptive waveform generation (including digital, phase-coded pulse compression); Signal processing and target tracking; Track While Scan (TWS); Low sidelobe values (throughout the system's angular coverage); Low- and medium-pulse repetition frequency operating modes; Frequency agility; Air-to-air and sea surveillance modes; and Target radar cross-section display.

The radar operates as a medium- to high-PRF pulse-Doppler, solid-state radar, in E/F-band (3 GHz), incorporating 192 two-way transmit/receive modules that combine to produce a pencil beam, steered as required within the operating 150° sector each side of the aircraft (one side at a time). It is understood that Erieye has some ability to detect aircraft in the 30° sectors fore and aft of the aircraft heading, but has no track capability in this sector.

Country of origin Sweden.
Introduced 1996.
Type Multi-mode active electronically scanned
array (AESA) pulse doppler radar.
Frequency S-band.
Range 450 km.
Altitude > 20 km (> 65,000 ft).
Azimuth 150° to each side.


Phalcon


The IAI EL/M-2075 Phalcon is an Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) radar system developed by Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI) and Elta Electronics Industries of Israel. Its primary objective is to provide intelligence to maintain air superiority and conduct surveillance. According to the Federation of American Scientists in a 2009 article, the Phalcon was the most advanced AEW&C system in the world.

The system is currently in-service with four countries — Israel, India, Chile and Singapore.
Phalcon, as the complete AEW mission suite is referred to, is intended for airborne early warning, tactical surveillance of airborne and surface targets and intelligence gathering. It also integrates the command and control capabilities needed to employ this information. The array consists of 768 liquid-cooled, solid-state transmitting and receiving elements, each of which is weighted in phase and amplitude. These elements are driven by individual modules and every eight modules are connected to a transmit/receive group. Groups of 16 of these eight module batches are linked back to what is described as a prereceive/transmit unit, and a central six-way control is used to switch the pre-transmit/receive units of the different arrays on a time division basis.Each array scans a given azimuth sector, providing a total coverage of 360°. Scanning is carried out electronically in both azimuth and elevation. Radar modes include high PRF search and full track, track-while-scan, a slow scan detection mode for hovering and low-speed helicopters (using rotor blade returns) and a low PRF ship detection mode.

Phalcon uses the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA), an active phased array radar. This radar consists of an array transmit/receive (T/R) modules that allow a beam to be electronically steered. AESA radars operate on a pseudorandom set of frequencies and also have very short scanning rates, which makes them difficult to detect and jam. Up to 100 targets can be tracked simultaneously to a range of 200 nm (370 km), while at the same time, over a dozen air-to-air interception or air-to-ground attack can be guided. The radar can be mounted on the an aircraft's fuselage or on the top inside a small dome. Either position gives the radar 360 degree coverage. The phased array radar allows positions of aircraft on operator screens to be updated every 2-4 seconds.
It is considered to be the best AEW&C system in the world.
 
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Erieye radar

The Erieye radar system, is an Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AEW&C) developed by Saab Microwave Systems (formerly Ericsson Microwave Systems) of Sweden. It is based on the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA). The Erieye is used on a variety of aircraft platforms, such as the Brazilian Embraer E-99 or EMB-145. It has recently been implemented on the Saab 2000 aircraft.

The Erieye Ground Interface Segment (EGIS; not to be confused with the Aegis combat system) is a major component of the software used by the Erieye system.

The radar provides 300 degree coverage and has an instrumental range of 450km and detection range of 350 km in a dense hostile electronic warfare environment—in heavy radar clutter and at low target altitudes. In addition to this, the radar is also capable of identifying friends or foes, and has a sea surveillance mode.

The Erieye system has full interoperability with NATO air defence command and control systems.

Sweden has loaned two of these systems to Greece, while they are still owned by the Swedish Air Force. SAAB signed an 8 billion kronor provisional contract to supply 6 of these systems to Pakistan, which was finalized in June 2006 at four aircraft, one of which has been delivered to date.

Recently, Royal Thai Air Force signed the contact to order an Erieye system equipped on Saab 340 and has the option to order another system. This order is a part of Gripen order.

Design

The Erieye AEW&C mission system radar is an active, phased-array, pulse-Doppler sensor that can feed an onboard operator architecture or downlink data (via an associated datalink subsystem) to a ground-based air defence network. The system employs a large aperture, dual-sided antenna array housed in a dorsal 'plank' fairing. The antenna is fixed, and the beam is electronically scanned, which provides for improved detection and significantly enhanced tracking performance compared with radar-dome antenna systems. Erieye detects and tracks air and sea targets out to the horizon (and beyond due to anomalous propagation) —instrumented range has been measured at 450 km. Typical detection range against fighter-sized targets is approximately 425 km, in a 150° broadside sector, both sides of the aircraft. Outside these sectors, performance is reduced in forward and aft directions.

Other system features include: Adaptive waveform generation (including digital, phase-coded pulse compression); Signal processing and target tracking; Track While Scan (TWS); Low sidelobe values (throughout the system's angular coverage); Low- and medium-pulse repetition frequency operating modes; Frequency agility; Air-to-air and sea surveillance modes; and Target radar cross-section display.

The radar operates as a medium- to high-PRF pulse-Doppler, solid-state radar, in E/F-band (3 GHz), incorporating 192 two-way transmit/receive modules that combine to produce a pencil beam, steered as required within the operating 150° sector each side of the aircraft (one side at a time). It is understood that Erieye has some ability to detect aircraft in the 30° sectors fore and aft of the aircraft heading, but has no track capability in this sector.

Country of origin Sweden.
Introduced 1996.
Type Multi-mode active electronically scanned
array (AESA) pulse doppler radar.
Frequency S-band.
Range 450 km.
Altitude > 20 km (> 65,000 ft).
Azimuth 150° to each side.


Phalcon


The IAI EL/M-2075 Phalcon is an Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) radar system developed by Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI) and Elta Electronics Industries of Israel. Its primary objective is to provide intelligence to maintain air superiority and conduct surveillance. According to the Federation of American Scientists in a 2009 article, the Phalcon was the most advanced AEW&C system in the world.

The system is currently in-service with four countries — Israel, India, Chile and Singapore.
Phalcon, as the complete AEW mission suite is referred to, is intended for airborne early warning, tactical surveillance of airborne and surface targets and intelligence gathering. It also integrates the command and control capabilities needed to employ this information. The array consists of 768 liquid-cooled, solid-state transmitting and receiving elements, each of which is weighted in phase and amplitude. These elements are driven by individual modules and every eight modules are connected to a transmit/receive group. Groups of 16 of these eight module batches are linked back to what is described as a prereceive/transmit unit, and a central six-way control is used to switch the pre-transmit/receive units of the different arrays on a time division basis.Each array scans a given azimuth sector, providing a total coverage of 360°. Scanning is carried out electronically in both azimuth and elevation. Radar modes include high PRF search and full track, track-while-scan, a slow scan detection mode for hovering and low-speed helicopters (using rotor blade returns) and a low PRF ship detection mode.

Phalcon uses the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA), an active phased array radar. This radar consists of an array transmit/receive (T/R) modules that allow a beam to be electronically steered. AESA radars operate on a pseudorandom set of frequencies and also have very short scanning rates, which makes them difficult to detect and jam. Up to 100 targets can be tracked simultaneously to a range of 200 nm (370 km), while at the same time, over a dozen air-to-air interception or air-to-ground attack can be guided. The radar can be mounted on the an aircraft's fuselage or on the top inside a small dome. Either position gives the radar 360 degree coverage. The phased array radar allows positions of aircraft on operator screens to be updated every 2-4 seconds.
It is considered to be the best AEW&C system in the world.

Erieye radar system AEW&C

your coverage range very speculative of 450km no chance

Phalcon - AWACS

Coverage Range 400km is ture
 
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Well there is hell of a difference between Erieye and Phalcon as a system

Erieye is an Airborne early warning and control system

Phalcon is an Airborne early warning command and control system.

Phalcon is a literal command post with a top Commander in it. Whereas the Erieye has its command system in the ground. So comparing them in anyway is totally ridiculous.

Erieye in my opinion is comparable to the E2C Hawkeye of the USAF. and Phalcon can be compared to the E 3D sentry of the USAF.

In the whole glamour of AWACS, one must not forget the GAGAN sattelite that is to be put into orbit soon. This will give a total surveillance capability of te airspace surrounding 1500 square kilometers around India.
 
Well there is hell of a difference between Erieye and Phalcon as a system

Erieye is an Airborne early warning and control system

Phalcon is an Airborne early warning command and control system.

Phalcon is a literal command post with a top Commander in it. Whereas the Erieye has its command system in the ground. So comparing them in anyway is totally ridiculous.

Erieye in my opinion is comparable to the E2C Hawkeye of the USAF. and Phalcon can be compared to the E 3D sentry of the USAF.

In the whole glamour of AWACS, one must not forget the GAGAN sattelite that is to be put into orbit soon. This will give a total surveillance capability of te airspace surrounding 1500 square kilometers around India.

I think your expectations for GAGAN is at odds with wiki. Wiki seems to think it is a navigation satellite?
 
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Erieye radar system AEW&C

your coverage range very speculative of 450km no chance

Phalcon - AWACS

Coverage Range 400km is ture

I think you should consult the manufacturers of both systems before deciding about them.
 
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Erieye radar system AEW&C

your coverage range very speculative of 450km no chance

Phalcon - AWACS

Coverage Range 400km is ture
Saab Erieye has a target acquizition range of 350 Kms. and not 450 Kms...
 
Saab Erieye has a target acquizition range of 350 Kms. and not 450 Kms...

"The Erieye radar has an instrumental range of 450km and detection range of 350km against a fighter sized target in dense hostile electronic warfare environments."

This quote is taken from the link provided up. This should clear up the issue.
 
"The Erieye radar has an instrumental range of 450km and detection range of 350km against a fighter sized target in dense hostile electronic warfare environments."

This quote is taken from the link provided up. This should clear up the issue.
Thanks, I actually didnt see the link but I knew it.
Anyhow please tell me what is instrumental range and what is detection range..
 
Thanks, I actually didnt see the link but I knew it.
Anyhow please tell me what is instrumental range and what is detection range..

It says it can detect a fight sized aircraft at 350KM, but if its a bigger sized aircraft, it can be detected at longer ranges.

Instrument range would most probably mean the maximum range where the radar waves can travel and have detection capability. A ship at sea can most probably be detected at much larger range, similarly a big aircraft would be detected at more then 350Km range.

Now the specifications of this radar is not even clear, that what it means fighter sized aircraft it can detect, is it with RCS of 1m2, 3m2 or what. If they mean fighter sized aircraft with RCS 1m2 at 350KM, then definitely it can detect larger RCS aircraft at more then 350KM.

But the detection of how much RCS fighter sized aircraft are classified.
 

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