Indian Army requests more Apaches

[illusion8]

Indian Army is requesting Apaches like Apples....Both Army and Air Force have always let down the indigenous efforts and promoted the import! Now with US wanting to share its tech, these guys have got more options and reasons to import more than source it from locall..and they wlll always have the reason to back their decision and ie. imported is high tech and superiror..!! BS.

I guess you missed the Rudra's getting inducted into the IA air wing....followed most likely by the LCH. THe Apaches bring something entirely different to the table and any local engineering cannot compensate that for years.

 

[sancho]

Indian Army requests more Apaches - IHS Jane's 360

Now this is interesting!!



@sancho @Capt.Popeye @Water Car Engineer @Koovie

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I guess you missed the Rudra's getting inducted into the IA air wing....followed most likely by the LCH. THe Apaches bring something entirely different to the table and any local engineering cannot compensate that for years.

Indian army stated earlier, that they want a squadron of combat helicopters in each of their 13 strike corps, while 3 of them should have Apaches. The capability increase they actually bring in, is mainly the improved avionics, including the mast mounted radar, otherwise most combat helicopters don't differ that much in design, weapon carrying capability compared to fighters. The main point over LCH however, should be that it's proven and ready, while the LCH still needs some time to be ready and operational. But you are right, the fact that IA orders decent numbers of Rudras and LCHs shows their commitment to the indigenous helicopters, but I would prefer mixed squadrons, with the Apaches being linked to the LCHs.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

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Indian army stated earlier, that they want a squadron of combat helicopters in each of their 13 strike corps, while 3 of them should have Apaches. The capability increase they actually bring in, is mainly the improved avionics, including the mast mounted radar, otherwise most combat helicopters don't differ that much in design, weapon carrying capability compared to fighters. The main point over LCH however, should be that it's proven and ready, while the LCH still needs some time to be ready and operational. But you are right, the fact that IA orders decent numbers of Rudras and LCHs shows their commitment to the indigenous helicopters, but I would prefer mixed squadrons, with the Apaches being linked to the LCHs.

The IA has 3 strike corps and 10 holding corps.

 

[sancho]

The IA has 3 strike corps and 10 holding corps.

Yes i meant 13 corps in total and they want one Apache squad for each of the strike corps.

 

[Killswitch]

The requirement could easily reach 100+. The Apaches record in the Hindu Kush makes it ideal for the Himalayas.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Bout time you guys start buying American we can actually provide you with spares unlike the Russians and their overweight choppers

 

[sancho]

The requirement could easily reach 100+. The Apaches record in the Hindu Kush makes it ideal for the Himalayas.

Not going to happen, IAF wanted only 2 squads to replace the Mi 35 and IA has clearly defined their requirment too. Rudra and LCH be the workhorses in high numbers and that is definitely the right way to go.

Bout time you guys start buying American we can actually provide you with spares

When you don't put sanctions on us
When our defence interest doesn't hit your political once
When our defence interests doesn't hit your laws
When our defence interests doesn't hit your economical interests

So start to change your policies and we will buy your stuff, otherwise we have pretty good options and you will have to stick with orders for 1 or 2 dozen aircrafts, while the Russians still bags orders for 100s.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

When you don't put sanctions on us
When our defence interest doesn't hit your political once
When our defence interests doesn't hit your laws
When our defence interests doesn't hit your economical interests

So start to change your policies and we will buy your stuff, otherwise we have pretty good options and you will have to stick with orders for 1 or 2 dozen aircrafts, while the Russians still bags orders for 100s.

How about you don't start a arms race in the subcontinent by testing nukes to feed your megalomaniac desire to surpass China (which is never going to happen) We don't even let North Korea get off after they do their tests so what makes you guys so special in the innt'l community?

Keep on buying Russian those falling Mig's sure would make good fireworks.

 

[Hulk]

Indian Army requests more Apaches - IHS Jane's 360

Now this is interesting!!



@sancho @Capt.Popeye @Water Car Engineer @Koovie

Well Army wants to have them IAF does not want to give the 22 so they added 11 for themselves. Not bad because I was not happy with just 22 even 33 looks low to me.

 

[newdelhinsa]

When we (IAF or InA) are expected to start operating it ? What is the status of the deal ? I heard it is a new platform and has a totally different (difficult) learning curve to go through and master, who is going to train us ?

Thanks.

 

[sancho]

How about you don't start a arms race in the subcontinent by testing nukes to feed your megalomaniac desire to surpass China (which is never going to happen) We don't even let North Korea get off after they do their tests so what makes you guys so special in the innt'l community?

Keep on buying Russian those falling Mig's sure would make good fireworks.

First of all, the tests had nothing to do with China. Secondly that happend even after the sanctions (delays in supplying engines for our naval vessels, rejection of US techs for LCA, no source codes in MMRCA, limited ToT in licence production deals...), since your laws are made for selling weapons to countries that are dependent to you. Countries like UK, Canada, Australia or even Pakistan. India isn't and since you need us more today, your policy makers understood that things had to change. The nuclear pact was the start, all kind of weapons the next step, now we get US arms with Indian and custom systems, but that's still not enough. If you want the big ticket deals, you have to play under our rules and slowly we are getting there as recent reports shows. Until then, we take some things in smaller numbers, like these Apaches, or the C130Js.

 

[sancho]

Well Army wants to have them IAF does not want to give the 22 so they added 11 for themselves. Not bad because I was not happy with just 22 even 33 looks low to me.

IAF might not want it, but have no choice if MoD really wants to give them to IA and this news hints in that direction. MoD still has to keep things going according to the competition rules, that's why they still say IAF will get them officially, but it's likely that they divert them to IA as soon as they arrives, but since IA has the requirment for another squad, they ask for the increase.

When we (IAF or InA) are expected to start operating it ? What is the status of the deal ? I heard it is a new platform and has a totally different (difficult) learning curve to go through and master, who is going to train us ?

Thanks.

The deal is still not fixed yet, so no reliable timeframe for induction possible yet, we hear more in the next months.

 

[janon]

How about you don't start a arms race in the subcontinent by testing nukes to feed your megalomaniac desire to surpass China (which is never going to happen) We don't even let North Korea get off after they do their tests so what makes you guys so special in the innt'l community?

Keep on buying Russian those falling Mig's sure would make good fireworks.

And that is precisely why we are reluctant to buy American platforms. Because we don't like to be told what we should or should not do with them. You are not being a good salesman for American weapons, with that attitude.

 

[Bang Galore]

How about you don't start a arms race in the subcontinent by testing nukes to feed your megalomaniac desire to surpass China (which is never going to happen) We don't even let North Korea get off after they do their tests so what makes you guys so special in the innt'l community?

Keep on buying Russian those falling Mig's sure would make good fireworks.

What's the connection with the topic? Even if it was a reference to India buying American stuff(I'm a bigger supporter of that more than most here), no one s about to allow anyone else to dictate to India what it can & cannot do. Sanctions don't bother me (very unlikely). American desire to control any passing of technological advancements do. When you deliberately say that you will be offering only this & no further, it is not a limit inherent to the system but a decision of level of transference. While a limit in the system itself is always open to upgrades as & when they are available, deliberate political decisions are based more on a whim. That needs to change & I hope it will. And soon.

 

[third eye]

What's the connection with the topic? Even if it was a reference to India buying American stuff(I'm a bigger supporter of that more than most here), no one s about to allow anyone else to dictate to India what it can & cannot do. Sanctions don't bother me (very unlikely). American desire to control any passing of technological advancements do. When you deliberately say that you will be offering only this & no further, it is not a limit inherent to the system but a decision of level of transference. While a limit in the system itself is always open to upgrades as & when they are available, deliberate political decisions are based more on a whim. That needs to change & I hope it will. And soon.

Forget it, you cannot argue with Per Fixed notions.