Indian Army now world’s largest ground force as China halves strength on modernisation push

[xyxmt]

OK , since Indian Army is incompetent you militarily defeat India and take Kashmir back , we promise we wont use nuclear weapons , try it please.

we are getting it back slowly but surely, why cant your largest army stop us since we are doing terrorism in India.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

India already has 450 million involved in farming related activities , most of these soldiers are from farming background and will return to that after retirement.

Even if we reduce soldiers the military budget will be untouched , It is only 1.8% of the GDP which will probably not reduce but will increase in the future .
I am all for reducing the number of soldiers and increase in mechanization of our forces .



They don't just supply the military but other industries too , they are all vertically integrated in the supply chain. Increase in self reliance will be good for them and will create far more jobs.



Dear , did you just equate a bunch of idiot Hindus and Muslims throwing molotov cocktails on each other and using medieval swords to Holocaust where 6 million Jews were wiped out by Nazis .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

 

[Imran Khan]

Pravin Sawhney must be crying today he is critic of large force .

 

[Tipu7]

Yes but for this you need to be like USA

USA is not ideal example. See Israel, they maintains upper hand against the combined strength of neighboring Arab states.

only she can use above things in the number to completely destroy the army in the class of India.... any other power cannot do much except for delaying Indian armoured thrust inside its territory for some time.

Its not about completely decimating the entire forces, its about breaking the cohesion and chain of command of enemy by hitting strategically crucial node points in opening hours of war. The World we live in, fighting long wars of attrition is not possible thus nullifying numerous advantages provided by numerical strength.

as an example PAF in total cannot deliver a punch of single B2 flight on advancing armor.... see the difference...

B2 is meant to be used for strategic roles, both conventional and nuclear. Its not meant to bomb armored targets.
Its a poor example to compare with.

In terrains like the LAC, modern weapons are pretty much useless. It will just be entrenched soldiers, snipers, artillery guns shooting at each other from their bunkers on alternate sides of the mountain ranges. Helicopters have a hard time at such altitudes and are easily shot down by Manpads. Fighter jets also have trouble getting their targets right and are sweet targets for anti missile systems hidden among thick forests/ mountain ranges. Tanks are useless.

You are denying your own argument which are trying to make.
Are you implying the "wave after wave" strategy to be a better choice instead of precise employment of weapon systems?

Pravin Sawhney must be crying today he is critic of large force .

He is a sensible person as he thinks ahead of time. Majority of military minds along both sides of border lack this capability.....

 

[vishwambhar]

USA is not ideal example. See Israel, they maintains upper hand against the combined strength of neighboring Arab states.

Israel vs Arab example is invalid if you compare it to India... except Egypt no military they faced which is in the class of India or even Pakistan...

if we play imaginary scenario of all out war between India and Israel then usage of smart weapons won't guarantee Israeli victory and India's fate to be like Syria or Jordan.... yes they will surprise us and inflict damage in initial phases....

Its not about completely decimating the entire forces, its about breaking the cohesion and chain of command of enemy by hitting strategically crucial node points in opening hours of war. The World we live in, fighting long wars of attrition is not possible thus nullifying numerous advantages provided by numerical strength.

To hit those crucial nod points as well you have to be like China or USA.... I mean Pakistan can break those points with the help of smart warfare against some smaller military power... not against India... when imran Khan says we can't attack and take Kashmir from India it doesn't mean Pakistan is weak... he simply knows it's not possible to defeat such a large force... quantity has quality of its own....

B2 is meant to be used for strategic roles, both conventional and nuclear. Its not meant to bomb armored targets.
Its a poor example to compare with.

Sorry is it B52 which USA used to destroy Iraq armor?

Quantity equals less training,larger wage Bill's larger logistics trail. Not to mention higher equipment costs...

And do you believe all those smart warfare technologies will come cheap? How much a guided artillery round cost? How much Pakistan can afford against large military like India? This is just one example...

Sorry in third world countries this quantity factor is still going to remain for next 2 decades....

 

[TOPGUN]

Bollywood in dreams and bollywood in real life what a way to live !!

 

[Tipu7]

Israel vs Arab example is invalid if you compare it to India... except Egypt no military they faced which is in the class of India or even Pakistan...

I gave this example as a general reference.

if we play imaginary scenario of all out war between India and Israel then usage of smart weapons won't guarantee Israeli victory and India's fate to be like Syria or Jordan.... yes they will surprise us and inflict damage in initial phases....

Its not about fighting wars, its about establishing deterrence in a conflict which is likely to respect the nuclear threshold.

Sorry is it B52 which USA used to destroy Iraq armor?

Ask your self. In case of clarity, I am talking about the employment of anti tank assets at operational and tactical levels, you are struck at strategic level which is incorrect approach in Indo-Pak perspective.

To hit those crucial nod points as well you have to be like China or USA.... I mean Pakistan can break those points with the help of smart warfare against some smaller military power... not against India... when imran Khan says we can't attack and take Kashmir from India it doesn't mean Pakistan is weak... he simply knows it's not possible to defeat such a large force... quantity has quality of its own....

Not necessarily.
As per "quantity has its own quality" is not so practical idea in modern warfare. A balanced approach is necessary. The level of conflict where quantity plays its role for delivering a qualitative advantage no longer reach in modern warfare. Only major advantage quantity can bring swiftly is ability to open multiple fronts or over stretch the defense line of enemy with less numerical might. Which is considerable advantage, but again, do not offer as much decisive advantage as it was used to do in WW2 and Cold War era.

 

[vishwambhar]

I gave this example as a general reference.

Its not about fighting wars, its about establishing deterrence in a conflict which is likely to respect the nuclear threshold.

Ask your self. In case of clarity, I am talking about the employment of anti tank assets at operational and tactical levels, you are struck at strategic level which is incorrect approach in Indo-Pak perspective.

Not necessarily.
As per "quantity has its own quality" is not so practical idea in modern warfare. A balanced approach is necessary. The level of conflict where quantity plays its role for delivering a qualitative advantage no longer reach in modern warfare. Only major advantage quantity can bring swiftly is ability to open multiple fronts or over stretch the defense line of enemy with less numerical might. Which is considerable advantage, but again, do not offer as much decisive advantage as it was used to do in WW2 and Cold War era.

I agree with your so many points and off course future is full of smart warfare technologies, artificial intelligence but as of now at least for next two decades nothing is going to change in this theater.... in highlighted part you yourself have agreed what quantity can do.... this is the thing Pakistan is unwilling to challenge India in full blown war over Kashmir....quantity is a quality in itself...

 

[vishwambhar]

The world largest, the most ineffective force.

You were the one who was claiming on BD forum that if someone stand up behind modi and shout Pakistan modi would spoil his pajama.... so much power to Pakistan..... so what's stopping your most effective force to enter in Srinagar?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Quantity itself is quality....

 

[Chakar The Great]

Just a burden on poor people living on streets and in slums. The army is useless any ways.

 

[American Pakistani]

I am not talking about India's current political system which is an incorrect form of democracy. I am talking about India adopting the Direct Democracy Socialism system that governed Libya until 2011 and which was also being implemented in Venezuela until NATO decided to implement regime-change there too.



Read my previous two posts again. I am talking about adopting a new political system.



How do you know for sure that there was no cross-border raid ??

You are claiming something. Your responsibility to prove it. Now don't give me bs propaganda of Bharti terrorist army.

 

[xyxmt]

You were the one who was claiming on BD forum that if someone stand up behind modi and shout Pakistan modi would spoil his pajama.... so much power to Pakistan..... so what's stopping your most effective force to enter in Srinagar?

same things that has happened in the past, you leaders run to other countries and UN. This time we are waiting for you to attack so we can settle this once and for all, we tried on feb 27th but "in tiloon me tail ne tha"

 

[Dark1]

Wuhan is more developed than any Indian cities by a massive margin, Uighurs enjoy a higher standard of living than Indians by a huge margin. it's ok for Indians not seeing any difference, stay hungry , stay foolish.

And what was the use of this sort of development in the last few months ? You guys have created world wide public health emergencies and economic disasters through your developed habits. And it's not a one off, as the same thing happened 15 years back and you learned nothing. And you shamelessly espouse Chinese model everywhere on this site. Their is a time to shut up and accept your faults. Else you just look retarted.

 

[vishwambhar]

same things that has happened in the past, you leaders run to other countries and UN. This time we are waiting for you to attack so we can settle this once and for all, we tried on feb 27th but "in tiloon me tail ne tha"

Why should we attack? We have taken what we wanted including siachen glaciers.... It's you who keeps arguing JAGULAR VEIN, JAGULAR VEIN from last 70 years.... So perfect time for you to take it from world most ineffective army....