Indian Army News & Discussions

[KEETARP]

Whoa

How is it no one took a picture of that board.

Look behind the Gun guys , you can clearly see the F-INSAS systems , including the gun. Which appears to have
*bullpup design
*Under Barrel grenade launcher
*Standard Scope sights
*laser range finder

kudos to Prateek for spotting it.

it also clearly shows that the gun is being developed by

*Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE)



*High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL)



*Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory (DMRL)

Yup , people in IA would be proud of using this Gun .
Really impressive design and with LRF+UBG , it must be the Packing punch of F-INSAS

 

[KEETARP]

What does this device do exactly in terms of Military intelligence ?

Hi , Anathema
Don't get confused by this pic , its a Micro Thermal imager (thermal binocular like ).

Indian Army version for Hand-held Target Acquistion Device would be bigger than this and will have much more in-built capabilities .
plus it will have a stand/Mounter

For your query - How Military intelligence ???

Well these hand-held devices apart from target designation can do excellent surveillance .
So what Indian army needs is device that can give -
Day and night view of the desired area ,
including capturing/ storing/transferring of data to include video,
still photographs and graphic image to specified location.

I think you can figure out now with how ISR

As per RFI -

Thermal Imger
Day Channel
GPS device
Laser Range Finder
Digital Magnetic Compass
Inclinometer

should be part of this device .

I posted a similar news item on this months back for Air-Force

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...s-rfi-60-man-portable-target-designators.html

See that pic which i posted in that news .
Something like that - but small enough to fit easily .

 

[flanker143]

Indian Army Says Its New Artillery Chief "Spearheaded Artillery Modernisation". Well, Now For His Real Test.

A press release today introducing the Army's new Director General Artillery, said the officer in question, Lt Gen Vinod Nayanar (Left in photo) "Spearheaded the modernization of Artillery and was instrumental in given impetus to several acquisition (sic) of new generation equipment." It's only too well known just how cursed and decrepit India's artillery modernisation plan has been since the late 1980s, with absolutely no induction of new field artillery and ad hoc upgrades of select existing gun batteries. Not entirely sure what fantastic modernisation the new Lt Gen has "spearheaded", but he sure has his task cut out. And in typically grandiose style, it's called Artillery Vision 2027, a 17-year rationalisation plan that was formulated under former Army chief Gen Deepak Kapoor, a gunner himself.

Lt Gen Nayanar has an unenviable task ahead of him, and it was summed up well by the man he replaces, Lt Gen KR Rao, in a speech in May: "The induction of 155mm/52 Cal guns, Ultra Light Howitzer, Wheeled and Tracked SP guns are not following the desired pace. But, are we not late vis-à-vis other modern Artilleries? Take example of Smerch that has been in service in Russia since 1990 and we are still inducting it in our Army. The so called modern weapons are, infact, already in the process of replacement in developed countries, whereas we, in some cases are still working on the road map. Such a state is disturbing and most unwarranted, and merits urgent rectification."

Lt Gen Nayanar faces an obtuse political system that will not listen to operational logic or reason. In many ways, he has the Army's worst job. What he does have is a straight-talking Chief, who has the guts to speak his mind and look directly at the interests of his men. Let's hope both men emerge stronger than all of their predecessors. Our gunners deserve that.

 

[soaringphnx]

Major in possession of secret files to face CoI​

The Army has ordered a court of inquiry (CoI) against the major posted in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, who had stored over 2,000 classified and sensitive documents on his personal computer which was "hacked'' from across the border earlier this year.

Though some files on Major Santanu Dey's computer were accessed by Pakistan's ISI, a joint probe by the Military Intelligence (MI) and National Investigation Agency (NIA) has given the officer himself a clean chit as far as espionage charges against him were concerned.

The Army CoI, however, has been instituted to probe how Major Dey was in the "unauthorised'' possession of so many secret documents, normally handled by much senior officers, and why he violated cyber-security guidelines, which expressly prohibit such files from being stored on a computer with internet connectivity.

Belonging to 21 Bihar Regiment battalion working under the 108 infantry brigade deployed in the tri-Service command in the archipelago, Major Dey was extensively questioned by security and intelligence agencies before he was allowed to rejoin his unit. His computer was also examined by the Hyderabad-based Central Forensic Science Laboratory (CFSL).

The Indian authorities were alerted about the security breach by the US in April after some intercepts showed the picture of a brigadier, on a training course in the US, being dispatched to Pakistan from the computer of a user based in the A&N Islands.

This, of course, is not the first time officers have been found guilty of being negligent in handling classified documents. In recent times, for instance, even a colonel has been court-martialled for negligence in handling documents with crucial operational details about the Tezpur-based 4 Corps, which eventually reached the Pakistan high commission in New Delhi.

China, too, has made cyber-warfare one of its topmost military priorities, with Chinese hackers regularly breaking into sensitive computer networks in India, apart from those of countries like US, UK and Germany.

Incidentally, around a dozen armed forces personnel have been convicted and dismissed from service after they were found guilty of espionage in the last three-four years.

 

[soaringphnx]

DRDO's Combat Vehicle Development Unit
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The Combat Vehicles Research & Development Establishment (CVR&DE) is working overtime to supply a range of frontline hardware to the Army.

The unit at Avadi, on the outskirts of Chennai, tasked with the design, development and testing of tracked combat vehicles and specialised tracked vehicles, has several projects in hand. Apart from the focus on Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) Mark II, it is also designing and developing the state-of-art futuristic main battle tank (FMBT), which is expected to cater to the requirements of the Army. "The Army expects the FMBT to be ready by 2020," CVR&DE director P Sivakumar told TOI recently. The unit is one of the 52 research units of the Defence Research & Development Organisation (DR&DO) in the country and the only one in Tamil Nadu.

Mobile platforms for missiles is another arena where its expertise is sought. For nearly a decade, it has supplied these platforms for missiles, including Akash, Prithivi and Trishul, and is presently developing several more.

Casualties are inevitable in battle and the CVR&DE's armoured ambulances come in handy. Equipped with airconditioning and heating facilities, it is designed for speedy evacuation of casualties and has excellent mobility for operation in various terrain. Another piece of equipment is the Carrier Command Post Tracked BMP-II (CCPT), designed to function as a self-propelled (SP) artillery command post. It affords nuclear, biological and chemical protection and protection against small arms. "We recently got an order for 50 CCPTs, each costing around Rs 3-4 crore," Sivakumar added.



The CVR&DE's dream project, at the conception stage, is the Unmanned Track Vehicle (UTV) through the tele-operated method the improved version is the automatic method. It is based on a wheeled vehicle platform comprising a pilot system unit and two units for surveillance. The UTVs, mainly for surveillance and detection of mines, include remote operations on wirless LAN (land area network), vision systems and robotic manipulator. A miniature model with a range of five km has been developed and will be operated with a GIS-based auto vehicle tracking system.



Bifurcated from the Ahmednagar-based Vehicles Research & Development Establishment (VR&DE) and formed as an independent laboratory in 1976, the CVR&DE has come a long way. Over the years, it has not only catered to the Army's needs but also supplied to the other services, especially the air force. It has designed aircraft subsystems, mainly related to the engine and hydraulics. For the Light Combat Aircraft (LAC), it has developed 10 prototypes of the secondary gear boxes and is conducting user trials. It expects orders for production soon.



The unit with a present strength of 1,300 employees, including 290 scientists, is credited with designing and developing some of the best military hardware in the world. Among them are the Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) Mark I and Mark II, Ex-Tank (Experimental tank) and Combat Improved (CI) Ajeya Mark I, indigenously-developed T-72 tank with an advanced fire control system and high mobility. It is currently the mainstay of the armoured corps.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Many thanks for that poster of MCW,

For your query -

1) IA Snipers get training,course at Belgaum - Infantry School

2) In an infantry Battalion we have roughly about 20 Snipers ( See this is rough estimate bcoz no of ghatak associated with a IB is about 20-25 . Each of them having Sniper course .)
i think there is no dedicated Sniper force in IA like Israel/Germany as such , all these ghatak commando are trained for Sniper training separately . Any time one can shift to dedi Sniper's role.
3) We have about 8000-10000 Ghatak commandos , so yeah for 390 IB it comes roughly as 20-25.
4) Not sure how many Soldiers et trained there , ask Indian-Army Sir or Flaming Arrow

Thanks for replying sir.

The school in Belgaum is a commando school and not a Sniper school and if the Ghataks are doing Snipers job then common sense only doubts how effective they might be...coz a sniper is a sniper..there are some special skills which a sniper requires.

Secondly sir...all twenty Ghataks cannot be a Sniper at a time..like in a QRT which is of 40 men or 60 men there is 1 or max 2 sniper...so actually sir i doubt if there might be 20 snipers at a given time in a battalion.

From your reply what i gathered is that:-
1.There is no DEDICATED Sniper school.
2.No one really knows how many Snipers operate in a battalion.
3.And from the above two points i doubt if the Officers of the IA use the Sniper to full effect.

PRATEEK sir...can you tell me what is the role of a Sniper in a IA infantry battalion.

 

[KEETARP]

Thanks for replying sir.

The school in Belgaum is a commando school and not a Sniper school and if the Ghataks are doing Snipers job then common sense only doubts how effective they might be...coz a sniper is a sniper..there are some special skills which a sniper requires.

Secondly sir...all twenty Ghataks cannot be a Sniper at a time..like in a QRT which is of 40 men or 60 men there is 1 or max 2 sniper...so actually sir i doubt if there might be 20 snipers at a given time in a battalion.

From your reply what i gathered is that:-
1.There is no DEDICATED Sniper school.
2.No one really knows how many Snipers operate in a battalion.
3.And from the above two points i doubt if the Officers of the IA use the Sniper to full effect.

PRATEEK sir...can you tell me what is the role of a Sniper in a IA infantry battalion.

Your three points are absolutely correct

Strange , but that is - There is no dedicated Sniper Training Academy or dedicated Sniper Force
Indian military doctrine doesn't employ snipers .
Our thought process has always been of the conventional view of battle (and terrain) prevailing within the IA . But gradually idea is getting to use Snipers as an asset .

The school in Belgaum is a commando school and not a Sniper school and if the Ghataks are doing Snipers job then common sense only doubts how effective they might be...coz a sniper is a sniper..there are some special skills which a sniper requires.

I never said Sniper training school , i said Infantry school .
But Belgaum training does involve a Sniper course for all Ghataks .
And these SP commandos do form part of every IB .
yeah doubt is natural but they are damn good at Sniping

The Telegraph - Calcutta : Nation
Nice article , try to go through 4th last para .

Secondly sir...all twenty Ghataks cannot be a Sniper at a time..like in a QRT which is of 40 men or 60 men there is 1 or max 2 sniper...so actually sir i doubt if there might be 20 snipers at a given time in a battalion.

No you get wrong side , I never meant 20 Snipers .
I meant all 20 Ghataks have Sniper training .
At a time only 2 operate as 2 men to a team who remain a team as long as circumstances permit - One as Spotter and a shooter

PRATEEK sir...can you tell me what is the role of a Sniper in a IA infantry battalion.

Well Snipers act as true Force --multipliers ,
They do provide accurate, discriminatory, long-range small-arms fire power against a Long-range target hindered by location
visibility;
security and
stealth requirements
+plus avoidance of collateral damage
controlled intensity of conflict
or rules of engagement.

what we missed earlier was snipers were considered more of a designated marksmen than astand-alone strategic assets to deny freedom of movement to the enemy .
Snipers bcoz of stealth/camo can act as strategic Reco asset , this is why some of best snipers come from special forces units as they know how to operate with stealth.

For a scenario -
In Kashmir - Sniper teams are nearly always deployed during raids on terrorist hideouts and sometimes during cordon-and-search ops .

For rest - As I said I am not from Infantry so Flaming Arrow or Indian Army sir would be best person to ask these questions .

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

I expect this has been posted befor..

DLS for 2007 | DLS for 2008



Gurkha Soldier Arrested For Battlefield Bravery
by James Dunnigan
August 1, 2010
In Afghanistan, a British Gurkha is facing court martial for beheading a dead Taliban gunman. The trouble began when the accused Gurkha's unit had been sent in pursuit of a group of Taliban believed to contain a local Taliban leader. When the Gurkhas caught up with the Taliban, a gun battle broke out and several of the enemy were killed. The Gurkhas were ordered to retrieve the bodies of the dead Taliban, to see if one of them was the wanted leader. But the Gurkhas were still under heavy fire, and the Gurkha who reached one body realized he could not drag it away without getting shot. Thinking fast, he cut off the dead Taliban's head and scampered away to safety. When senior British commanders heard of this, they had the Gurkha arrested (and sent back to Britain for trial), and apologized to the family of the dead Taliban. The head was returned, so that the entire body (as required by Islamic law) could be buried. The British are very sensitive about further angering pro-Taliban Afghans, and go out of their way to collect all body parts of dead Taliban (especially those hit with bombs), so that the body can be buried according to Islamic law. The Taliban use accusations of Western troops disrespecting Islam as a major part of their propaganda efforts. When there are no real cases of such disrespect, which is usually the case, they make it up.
As far as beheading goes, the Taliban often do that on living victims, which even horrifies most Afghans. The Gurkhas also horrify most Afghans, as Gurkhas have been fighting Afghans for centuries, in the service of Britain or Indian princes. Gurkhas, who tend to be Hindus, featured prominently in an Indian effort to stop Moslem armies from entering India 1,300 years ago, and pushing the ******* out of Kandahar (which was then an Indian border town).

Gurkhas are tribal people (of Tibetan and Mongol origin) from the mountains of Nepal, and have interacted, and intermarried, with Indians for thousands of years. Britain fought a war with the Gurkha kingdom two centuries ago, and found them such formidable opponents that they began hiring them as mercenaries, and continue to do so. India has even more Gurkha mercenaries than Britain, and Gurkhas are popular security operatives worldwide. Most Afghans are somewhat amused at the British punishing a Gurkha for simply doing what Gurkhas have been doing to Afghans for a long, long time.

 

[flanker143]

DRDO to Enter into Artillery Projects

India Defence Online, New Delhi — The international acquisition of the 155mm towed gun for the Indian Army has taken a new turn since the state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has decided to make the gun indigenously.

According to sources, the DRDO is confident of developing the 155mm towed gun at its Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE) laboratory in Pune. The DRDO feels that partnering with local giants in India can successfully create the 155mm towed gun for the Indian Army.

The saga of the procurement of the 155mm towed gun has been going on for eight years with no concrete breakthrough. The Defence Minister has already been told to blacklist Singapore Technologies Kinetics (STK), Germany’s Rheinmetall, Israel Military Industries (IMI) and another Israeli company, Soltam.

All the aforementioned firms were involved in various stages of procurement of the 155mm towed gun. The South African Denel was already blacklisted earlier, leaving only the BAE Systems FH-77B-05 howitzer, which is another version of the controversial Bofors gun. India is not keen on procuring the 155mm towed gun on a single-vendor basis.

With the international procurement plagued with controversies, an indigenously developed 155mm towed gun can be a good option for India. In fact, the Indian Army was inquired a decade ago for this project but DRDO was not facilitated with the details of its requirement. Now, the Indian Army has made a turnaround and feels that an indigenous version can become a reality instead of an international one.

According to ARDE, a 155mm gun requires high-class manufacturing and the potential of Indian majors like Bharat Forge and Larsen & Toubro can be used. In addition, the expertise of ARDE in developing small arms, guns, howitzers, and rockets will come handy. With the required input from the private sector and DRDO laboratories, ARDE can deliver world-class 155mm towed gun in three to four years.

Apparently, the preliminary work on this project is already started. As per the plan, the Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory in Hyderabad would develop special alloys and materials for the gun, ammunition would be tested at the Proof and Experimental Establishment in Orissa and warheads would be tested at the Terminal Ballistics Research Laboratory in Chandigarh.

The original contract for procuring 155 mm towed guns was worth an estimated $2 billion for which the international vendors were in the fray. The project aimed at buying 400 towed guns off the shelf and building 1,180 in India from transferred technology.



As for the DRDO’s famous laboratory ARDE, it has had a long history of supplying guns and artillery to the Indian Army and its capabilities include development of the Pinaka multi-barrelled rocket launcher, 120-mm gun for the “Arjun” Main Battle Tank and the upgradation of the Indian Army’s 130mm gun to 155-mm

very sorry if it is a re post .....

 

[British_Bangladeshi]

hey guys, do you think India would buy F35?

 

[hellofriends]

^^^^ i don't think so....

 

[flanker143]

Retd Lt Gen faces court martial for ration scam

New Delhi: Days after the Comptroller and Auditor General of India (CAG) reported that soldiers in Siachen were served food unfit for consumption, a retired senior Army officer has been taken into custody for his alleged involvement in the scam.
Retd Lt Gen SK Sahni is accused of involvement in meat and dry rations scam for troops in Siachen. On Thursday, he was brought to Indian Army's Western Command Headquarters. He will face a court martial starting Friday this week for his alleged role in irregularities in procuring meat and dry rations for troops in Siachen and other high altitude areas.
The CAG report which was tabled in the Parliament on Tuesday says that soldiers were supplied wheat, rice, pulses and edible oil 28 months past their expiry date. The auditor has also found a serious lack of competition in filing of tenders for the purchase of ration. In fact, it points out that a single vendor bagged contracts for more than 36 per cent of the purchases.

It also says that about-to-expire food items were bought at cheaper rates by contractors and then supplied to army units.
The Army Supply Corps (ASC) spends Rs 1,440 crore every year on rations. It is reported that rations worth Rs 1.92 crore were untraceable in Northern Command as of March 2008.
However, speaking to CNN-IBN, Lt Gen Sahni challenged the Army to prove the allegations.
"The charges against me are fake they pertain to procedural aspects and not to ration. I am ready to face any punishment if charges are proved against me. I can challenge Army's decision but I am innocent," said Sahni.
Retd Lt Gen Sahni, a former director general of the ASC, is the highest-ranking officer in the defence services till now to face a court martial for his alleged involvement in a corruption case.
He was attached to the Jalandhar-based 11 Corps for the Summary of Evidence (SoE), which was completed on July 10 and after it recommended to continue disciplinary action against him, orders for his General Court Martial (GCM) were issued by the authorities concerned, Army sources said.
A Court of Inquiry constituted in 2005 had recommended disciplinary action against him in the case. Sahni retired from the Army a year after the inquiry was instituted against him. The officer was also charged for procuring poor quality pulses for troops posted under the Northern Command in Jammu and Kashmir.

 

[flanker143]

self delete

 

[flanker143]

i have one ques guys ...... will the changes and improvements in mk2 version can be made in mk1 version to bring the 248 mk1 tanks to mk2 standard....

or

can the 248 mk1 tanks be upgraded to mk2 ??
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arjun was not ordered earlier bcoz then its performance wasn't satisfactory(or as it was shown or made to show)----so t90 was ordered in bulk (i seriously feel a lot of corruption behind this bcoz army was reluctant to conduct trials until huge order for t 90 was placed)

when arjun beat-ed t 90 in trial even then only 248 were ordered bcoz huge order for t 90 was already placed and arjun mk2 was coming to picture....

and now when drdo is developing arjun mk2..... army now wants fmbt from drdo in a very tight time frame...

i seriously feel that that this fmbt requirement of army wud again kill arjun mk2....

i feel that mk2 and fmbt development project should be combined .... with this i mean that we should develop technologies that evolves the arjun into a tank (mk2)that fullfills the (feasible)fmbt requirement of army...

feel free to comment .......

 

[sudhir007]

Jawan meets his ‘miracle daughter’

The two-and-half year-old miracle baby of the Leh cloudburst who survived slush and boulders has been reunited with her father. Deldan Anjmo was found floating in the water by the jawans with her eyes and mouth full of slush early on last Friday.

It was later during the day that the Army got to know from a local that her mother Tsering Dolma also survived the ordeal and was being treated at a makeshift hospital set-up by the ITBP.

Deldan was reunited with her mother late in the night. Tsering Dolma was not able to speak and it was only on Saturday afternoon that she told the doctors that her husband is an Army jawan named Tsering Dorjey posted in Siachen.

Messages were quickly transmitted and within time, Dorjey was given the message that all is well with his family.

“When I heard about the news, I was worried about my family as they stayed in Choglamsar which is the worst affected. After being told that they are in the Army hospital, all I wanted was to get back and hold my girl in my arms,” Dorjey said.

Sitting in the hospital besides his wife and holding Deldan in his lap, Dorjay said, “My love for the Army has increased since they saved my family at a time when I could not