Indian Army movement plans leaked to ISI in 2014

[Bratva]

But if India does such activities around or in Pakistan, not a single piece of evidence? It is not possible. Even if MI/ISI does not want to share because of an excuse that sources will be exposed. Don't you think, this will invite Indian counter intelligence to investigate about what sources Pakistan is talking about, blaming India?

What will be the use of that source if Pakistan is not able to utilize the information the source is providing?

Single piece of evidence is not for Public/India. That's why it was shared with CIA/Pentagon in January.

If Indian counter intelligence doesn't know where to look, how can they find something ? India know Pakistan know about the camps in Afghanistan. But the mole in those camps, disguised as rebels would India know about them ? Humint is what we are talking about here.

 

[Screambowl]

Single piece of evidence is not for Public/India. That's why it was shared with CIA/Pentagon in January.

If Indian counter intelligence doesn't know where to look, how can they find something ? India know Pakistan know about the camps in Afghanistan. But the mole in those camps, disguised as rebels would India know about them ? Humint is what we are talking about here.

That depends on what way of communication the person is using. And After his task is completed, he is relocated by Pakistan and once he is relocated , Pakistan can share the evidences. But Pakistan does not. Because there are none.

 

[Bratva]

That depends on what way of communication the person is using. And After his task is completed, he is relocated by Pakistan and once he is relocated , Pakistan can share the evidences. But Pakistan does not. Because there are none.

And task is not complete unless India stop supporting Baloch rebels which they still are

Share evidences with whom ? Pakistan just did with USA. Does India openly share what it's TSD unit did in Pakistan ?

No matter how much you live in delusions It remains a fact Pakistan have sources to protect. ISI who can plant a source in Indian DGMO would accuse india without evidence ? it's a laughable conjecture

Simple as that

 

[ares]

And task is not complete unless India stop supporting Baloch rebels which they still are

Share evidences with whom ? Pakistan just did with USA. Does India openly share what it's TSD unit did in Pakistan ?

No matter how much you live in delusions It remains a fact Pakistan have sources to protect.

Simple as that

What evidence did you share, with whom and when?

 

[Bratva]

What evidence did you share, with whom and when?

Look at threads in Strategic subforum or Pak war with TTP forum. Secretary Defense told this in Parliament. With USA in Afghanistan. In January. Nature of evidences Classified.

 

[ares]

Look at threads in Strategic subforum or Pak war with TTP forum. Secretary Defense told this in Parliament. With USA in Afghanistan. In January. Nature of evidences Classified.

Please present the proof, here, where you are mentioning it.

No one is going to bother with some wild goose chase.

If indeed Pakistan shared any "evidence", or were they just Pakistani findings?

Do Americans acknowledge, that Pakistan shared any 'evidence' or is just the Pakistani politicians and their usual rhetoric?

What was the evidence, was it factual and compelling...and if the evidence is factual, why is it classified.

From the outsets, it just seems like Pakistani politicians and their usual chest thumping to soothe their local populace, Americans do not acknowledge it and this supposed evidence is not being made public, because it is flimsy.

Just like the evidence of Indian involvement in attack of Pakistan airbase, were Factor 8 injections..which were made India, but turned out they were distributed and sold in Pakistan by a Pakistani distributor.

 

[Bratva]

Please present the proof, here, where you are mentioning it.

No one is going to bother with some wild goose chase.

If indeed Pakistan shared any "evidence", or were they just Pakistani findings?

Do Americans acknowledge, that Pakistan shared any 'evidence' or is just the Pakistani politicians and their usual rhetoric?

What was the evidence, was it factual and compelling...and if the evidence is factual, why is it classified.

From the outsets, it just seems like Pakistani politicians and their usual chest thumping to soothe their local populace, Americans do not acknowledge it and this supposed evidence is not being made public, because it is flimsy.

Just like the evidence of Indian involvement in attack of Pakistan airbase, were Factor 8 injections..which were made India, but turned out they were distributed and sold in Pakistan by a Pakistani distributor.

Are you dumb or just retard? Start reading my arguments from last page to understand how Insurgencies work and what kind of proof we are talking about here and why it is classified. . If you still chose to remain brain dead. Do read about USSR unproven accusation of Pakistani involvement in 80's and Covert activities of ISI back then . The level of idiocracy display by Indians is astonishing. I guess TSD was also imaginary unit eh ?

So ISI can plant a mole in Indian MO-D but evidence regarding india would be flimsy. Sometimes reading indian logics is like banging head on wall. No matter how many time you present facts and logic. they will ask the same thing Does chicken come first or the egg

And for acknowledgement, There is a nice video of Chuck hagel on youtube do watch it.

 

[Screambowl]

And task is not complete unless India stop supporting Baloch rebels which they still are

Share evidences with whom ? Pakistan just did with USA. Does India openly share what it's TSD unit did in Pakistan ?

No matter how much you live in delusions It remains a fact Pakistan have sources to protect. ISI who can plant a source in Indian DGMO would accuse india without evidence ? it's a laughable conjecture

Simple as that

It also does not matter, unless until the government accepts that those who were involved were their men.That is the problem. Evidence sharing is important. Important to make the government realize it and make them accept that they were their men. Because no country accepts their relation with the spies.

 

[SrNair]

If true, rather stupid move by the PA. More intelligent adversaries such as the British to the Germans would have not responded exactly and done so as if by chance. When the British cracked ENIGMA, they purposely sacrificed troops and resources along with chances for advantage to the Germans to ensure that the Germans did not figure out that their code had been cracked. That way when the time to actually use the full potential of the crack came in the Allies were able to oursmart the Germans.. the same way a more intelligent PA leadership would have moved some units and kept others back, as if acting on field recon rather than a leak; this would have kept the mole inside the Indian DGMO safe and not lost a valuable asset who would have been useful later. Still, what better to expect from part time property dealers.

I agree with you.Though that was more worse than this incident.You know the episode of Morarji Desai and RAW mole in Kahuta .
In here excitment of ISI destroyed that valuable mole and
present NDA govt began their crack down in entire ministries.

Just curious that the article did not give the reason why Indian army was planning to move troops to Rajasthan and J&K borders???
JLT??
Most prolly another rumor!!
Aaj Tak guys needed to keep their TRPs high. Lol

I think our neighbours did one hell of mistake.Something that good for us.Perhaps it was a trap of the MoD to find out the mole.At any case deployment was not for invading Pakistan considering that political conditions during those times.But their overexcitation finished their asses.

 

[truthseeker2010]

The problem is not about picking up Indian movement, Problem is Pakistan corps cant rapidly deploy in 24-48 hours to counter Indian movement. Hence the haste in Pakistani movements exposed the mole. So that if indians try to deploy rapidly, there would be first line of defense against them and PA don't get caught off handedly and meanwhile first line of defence concurrently be reinforced with other PA elements in 48-72 hours

We shared evidences with US. We can't get international attention because beggars can't be the choosers.

Why can't we move with in 24 hours?, is it the issue with the transport, railway is the fastest way of moving heavy metal, the nearest rail heads in that area would be bahawalnagar in north and rahim yar khan in south, both of which are connected on PR network.
Or our preparations times are longer?

 

[Screambowl]

Why can't we move with in 24 hours?, is it the issue with the transport, railway is the fastest way of moving heavy metal, the nearest rail heads in that area would be bahawalnagar in north and rahim yar khan in south, both of which are connected on PR network.
Or our preparations times are longer?

You can deploy with 48 hours but not exactly to that location where indian army deployed. Because if you deploy within 48 hrs this would mean you had prior information of indian deployments, and you countered it. This will expose the mole.

 

[Zarvan]

You can deploy with 48 hours but not exactly to that location where indian army deployed. Because if you deploy within 48 hrs this would mean you had prior information of indian deployments, and you countered it. This will expose the mole.

We still can deploy within 48 hours because most of forces are placed around border

 

[truthseeker2010]

You can deploy with 48 hours but not exactly to that location where indian army deployed. Because if you deploy within 48 hrs this would mean you had prior information of indian deployments, and you countered it. This will expose the mole.

corps level movement is not concentrated at single point, they are dispersed in a wide area, so if that happens even the civilians in the area and on way get to know of military movement. They cannot be hidden because of convoy of vehicles going through.

 

[Screambowl]

corps level movement is not concentrated at single point, they are dispersed in a wide area, so if that happens even the civilians in the area and on way get to know of military movement. They cannot be hidden because of convoy of vehicles going through.

I plan something, that on this day I will move my force, same day same hour with counter measures to exact location you moved your force. I will think of a leak happened inside my room.

 

[truthseeker2010]

I plan something, that on this day I will move my force, same day same hour with counter measures to exact location you moved your force. I will think of a leak happened inside my room.

ok so you are saying that 6 to 7 thousand vehicles comes out from point A(div cantts) , B, C and and is moving to Point X, lets suppose that is somewhere in rajistan, now i am saying that once these vehicle comes on road in urban areas, some civilian just see and calls to his "relatives" in pak and in code words tell him, now you know that in the past IA has done exercise in that area so one can anticipate a possible zone where x is located, so you activate your humint in the area, there are lot of small settlements dispersed in the desert, once the advance party reaches closer to x, a tipoff is made by humint, now i know its that its not that simple, but when such large convoy move, a lot of things have to be prepared in advance, which also gives indication to your enemy. Also take into account reaction time, what IA will do in 72 hours, PA can do in 48 max because of lesser distance from border.
But the mole thing, that seems too straight forward.