Indian Army killed a Kashmiri Muslim

[Sneaker]

Anything danger to world peace falls under UN charter. Simla agreement is between India and Pakistan and not UN. It is only effective if both parties abide by it. UN observers are still present on LOC.

No it doesn't. Agreement between 2 countries trump UN's ambit anyday...

 

[Hellfire]

Anything danger to world peace falls under UN charter. Simla agreement is between India and Pakistan and not UN. It is only effective if both parties abide by it. UN observers are still present on LOC.

Now that is again something you are assuming. Post facts.

You may have observers as per you on your side.

On our side, UNMOGIP has a nice building as headquarters in Delhi and in Srinagar next to Badami Bagh Cantonment and they can not leave Srinagar without permission. LC is 100s of kilometres from their headquarters.

You seem to have a predilection for self formulated facts ...? I may be wrong here

 

[RealNapster]

Converted Muslims demanding a state for the sake of an alien religion and alien practices that was imported from the god forsaken desert and which has nothing to do with the land and has no basis to exist in the Sub continent? don't you find that odd?

Sir You must leave your Sleeping capsule now and come out of Your Hibernation state. it's 1437 year's now.

 

[Politico]

Kashmir is a land of Hindu's, of Kashmiri Pandits, of Amarnath - one of the holiest of Hindu Sites.

Converted Muslims demanding a state for the sake of an alien religion and alien practices that was imported from the god forsaken desert and which has nothing to do with the land and has no basis to exist in the Sub continent? don't you find that odd?

You will need to wait for the British to come again for another partition )), I doubt they'll dare. Other than that, there isn't any force on Earth that can enforce another partition.

The salafis are the one's waving the Pakistani and the ISIS flags in the valley.

no need 2 insult islam simply becos some silly people from across ur border cant understand that your soldiers did what any sane soldier would do in the same circumstances...kill a brainwashed man who is surrounded with explosives and who refused 2 surrender before the building was demolished. pakistanis cry pak fauj zindabad when pak army exterminates terrorising ttp scum but hindu army murdabad when indian army does same 2 terrorising militants in kashmir.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

A terrorist was shot dead the way he should have been... whats the fuss...

 

[Genghis khan1]

The assumption is from your side here. I merely pointed out the facts.

Your rhetorical statement holds no value other than being a bluster. That, is your right. But again, speaking based on facts, you have lost the diplomatic war of Kashmir, military war is not an option for you. So maybe, only fomenting trouble (which you do) is only option today. But that too has immense costs for you.

You shall be seeing the escalation of costs in coming years. I have oft said, we have the time, we have the resources (in terms of men and material and economic base) and we have the diplomatic support on Kashmir today.

Dispassionately speaking, Kargil was a blunder by Pakistan. Until that moment, you had everything going for you. You had a weak India (under sanctions and economically weak still) bereft of support of USSR and still viewed antagonistically by US, you had a raging insurgency in Kashmir which was getting the attention as a nuclear flashpoint and led to India being subjected to continuous diplomatic pressure and you had the initiative with you to escalate it by rotating assets from Afghanistan to India.

But miscalculations of Kargil and the stupidity of Parliament Attack and Indian inaction during Op Parakaram, changed the balance for you.

Just pointing out facts. No rants or assumptions here.

Thanks

Indian only had lit leeway due to WoT and Pakistan being stuck in it. That was a lost decade. Now things are changing. Economy is better, military is stronger than ever. Kashmir is rising up again. Pakistan's foreign office is getting serious on Kashmir. Unlike before where Pakistan was put under arms embargo, now Pakistan has much reliable high tech weapon source comparable to west, thank to rise of China. Incase of war, Indian and Pakistan both most probably will face western arms embargo. Which will leave Indians to rely on shrinking Russians industry while rendering their western toys less effective or out of business in prolong war. If Pakistan seriously start supporting Kashmiri freedom struggle, like Soviet Afghanistan or Saudi support in Syria. Kashmir valley will consume whole Indian in matter of months.

No it doesn't. Agreement between 2 countries trump UN's ambit anyday...

No it doesn't. If agreement fails, things are back on UN table.

 

[Hellfire]

Indian only had lit leeway due to WoT and Pakistan being stuck in it. That was a lost decade. Now things are changing. Economy is better, military is stronger than ever. Kashmir is rising up again. Pakistan's foreign office is getting serious on Kashmir. Unlike before where Pakistan was put under arms embargo, now Pakistan has much reliable high tech weapon source comparable to west, thank to rise of China. Incase of war, Indian and Pakistan both most probably will face western arms embargo. Which will leave Indians to rely on shrinking Russians industry while rendering their western toys less effective or out of business in prolong war. If Pakistan seriously start supporting Kashmiri freedom struggle, like Soviet Afghanistan or Saudi support in Syria. Kashmir valley will consume whole Indian in matter of months.

Again rhetoric. Are you by chance a college going defence enthusiast? Your posts so far have been bereft of any logical reasoning and more of bluster, more associated with enthusiasts and those who can't control those tendencies - fanboys. If so, my apologies for engaging you.

Anyways, I shall take my leave.

Thanks

 

[Genghis khan1]

Now that is again something you are assuming. Post facts.

You may have observers as per you on your side.

On our side, UNMOGIP has a nice building as headquarters in Delhi and in Srinagar next to Badami Bagh Cantonment and they can not leave Srinagar without permission. LC is 100s of kilometres from their headquarters.

You seem to have a predilection for self formulated facts ...? I may be wrong here

Pakistan do on it's side of LOC. There is a reason they are in Srinagar. Even tho India hinder their work.

 

[Sneaker]

No it doesn't. If agreement fails, things are back on UN table.

Agreement, once reached can't fail until atleast one party withdraws. Who has withdrawn from Shimla agreement? First give a formal declaration that you are withdrawing from shimla agreement before running to UN. Even 1999 atlantique shooting by India, ICJ rejected pak claim due to shimla agreement. ICJ didn't have jurisdiction due to shimla agreement clause.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Again rhetoric. Are you by chance a college going defence enthusiast? Your posts so far have been bereft of any logical reasoning and more of bluster, more associated with enthusiasts and those who can't control those tendencies - fanboys. If so, my apologies for engaging you.

Anyways, I shall take my leave.

Thanks

Like I said, you can believe in your NDTV version of lost war and diplomatic win. You are bringing in irrelevant information of local Indian and Pakistani law's, that doesn't even matter. That's why i avoided even responding to it. It's an international dispute and what matters is change in international and regional geopolitical events. I am highlight the obvious, things that are going on right now. That's is how events are assessed and analyzed. Not based on 10 year old NDTV program, you lost we won.

 

[Hellfire]

Like I said, you can believe in your NDTV version of lost war and diplomatic win.

Go learn why wars are fought. Stop being a daft dullard. You have yet to post a single merit based and logical post. Your ignorance is boring.

You are bringing in irrelevant information of local Indian and Pakistani law's, that doesn't even matter.

It matters as the guy was summarily executed under prevailing law, so when you talk human rights and geneva convention you do your HOMEWORK and quote. Your armed forces also follow the same principle. Ask around. First get your education and then come back here. This is a defence forum - not a post all the crap you want forum. There is a separate for posting stupid and funny from around the world .... post such crap there.

That's why i avoided even responding to it. It's an international dispute and what matters is change in international and regional geopolitical events. I am highlight the obvious, things that are going on right now. That's is how events are assessed and analyzed. Not based on 10 year old NDTV program, you lost we won.

You are posting delusive rants .. that is what you are doing. Do your research before you post on UN position on Kashmir. You have posted one rant after another and simply avoided or altogether ignored facts as used to denounce your posts.

Go learn and come back.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Agreement, once reached can't fail until atleast one party withdraws. Who has withdrawn from Shimla agreement? First give a formal declaration that you are withdrawing from shimla agreement before running to UN. Even 1999 atlantique shooting by India, ICJ rejected pak claim due to shimla agreement. ICJ didn't have jurisdiction due to shimla agreement clause.

Congratulation, now you are taking what I said, lot earlier. Agreement is only valid until both parties consider it valid, it is not binding by any international order. ICJ rejection had other commonwealth related factors not simla agreement.

Go learn why wars are fought. Stop being a daft dullard. You have yet to post a single merit based and logical post. Your ignorance is boring.



It matters as the guy was summarily executed under prevailing law, so when you talk human rights and geneva convention you do your HOMEWORK and quote. Your armed forces also follow the same principle. Ask around. First get your education and then come back here. This is a defence forum - not a post all the crap you want forum. There is a separate for posting stupid and funny from around the world .... post such crap there.



You are posting delusive rants .. that is what you are doing. Do your research before you post on UN position on Kashmir. You have posted one rant after another and simply avoided or altogether ignored facts as used to denounce your posts.

Go learn and come back.

Sorry, I forgot to say, Have a nice day. Next time come with better argument with some relevant stuff. Not NDTV rants.

 

[Erhabi]

Indian pigs will pay dearly InShaAllah.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Indian pigs will pay dearly InShaAllah.

Not very many Indians speak in the US. Only a few Sikhs here talk openly because they not cowards, but we banged them out bad.

In US Hindus refuse to speak about Kashmir. LOL

 

[Sneaker]

Congratulation, now you are taking what I said, lot earlier. Agreement is only valid until both parties consider it valid, it is not binding by any international order. ICJ rejection had other commonwealth related factors not simla agreement

UN too is an agreement. Until one country says it is withdrawing officially from mutual agreement, it is binding over UN. International orders themselves aren't binding. In international scenario, it is might is right.
And here is right from ICJ judgement (I highlighted for easy reading)-

"The Court further regards Article 1 of the Simla Accord, paragraph (ii) of which provides, inter alia, that "the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them . . ." as an obligation, generally, on the two States to settle their differences by peaceful means, to be mutually agreed by them. The said provision in no way modifies the specific rules governing recourse to any such means, including judicial settlement. The Court cannot therefore accept Pakistan's argument in the present case based on estoppel.

Obligation to settle disputes by peaceful means (paras. 51-55)

Finally, the Court recalls that its lack of jurisdiction does not relieve States of their obligation to settle their disputes by peaceful means. The choice of those means admittedly rests with the parties under Article 33 of the United Nations Charter. They are nonetheless under an obligation to seek such a settlement, and to do so in good faith in accordance with Article 2, paragraph 2, of the Charter. As regards India and Pakistan, that obligation was restated more particularly in the Simla Accord of 2 July 1972. Moreover, the Lahore Declaration of 21 February 1999 reiterated "the determination of both countries to implementing the Simla Agreement". Accordingly, the Court reminds the Parties of their obligation to settle their disputes by peaceful means, and in particular the dispute arising out of the aerial incident of 10 August 1999, in conformity with the obligations which they have undertaken."

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?sum=585&p1=3&p2=3&case=119&p3=5

So, no, you can't run to UN if India doesn't agree to it, until simla agreement is in force.

Not very many Indians speak in the US. Only a few Sikhs here talk openly because they not cowards, but we banged them out bad.

In US Hindus refuse to speak about Kashmir. LOL

Umm.. no, we proudly say kashmir is ours in US too... it was pakistani funded guy who went to jail for lobbying against india though...