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Indian Army Falsified Kargil Battle Records

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Pakistan still occupies four kargil peaks

Pakistan's main goal was to control Srinagar-Leh Highway that is main route of connecting Ladakh with Rest of India(Rohtang Pass is another route which is being broadened now) . And India's main goal was to protect Srinagar-Leh Highway. And your dream remained a dream of controlling it and if you guys are happy with 4 peaks keep it, you can do no harm to Srinagar-Leh Highway and that was our victory in Kargil :lol: . We won by preserving it, you lost with combo pack of military coup.

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Even the IA figure of 500+ soldiers is quite unreliable since we had the advantage of high ground :azn: ... Believe what you want to believe ... Stop making it look like that we didn't procure any new weapons after Kargil war and that we learned nothing from it ...

To hell with your high grounds, we had Most Advanced UAVs from Israel which was kept secret for so many years. So, even with high grounds, we knew where you folks were hiding and exactly where to hit you.
 
i laugh at the indians who still think it was conventional warfare which 'necessitated' action by all the services....it's unfortunate that the Prime Minister was unable to hold his ground, and instead felt it was necessary to bog down to a little pressure from the man who was busy getting blow jobs in the oval office
 
Pakistan's main goal was to control Srinagar-Leh Highway that is main route of connecting Ladakh with Rest of India(Rohtang Pass is another route which is being broadened now) . And India's main goal was to protect Srinagar-Leh Highway.And your dream remained a dream of controlling it and if you guys are happy with 4 peaks keep it, you can do no harm to Srinagar-Leh Highway and that was our victory in Kargil :lol: . We won by preserving it, you lost with combo pack of military coup.
Dont act like you have just joined the discussion :lol: Who's claiming that we accomplished the main goal ? ... PA reached very close to that Kargil-Drass road before being asked to withdraw unconditionally ... NS couldn't understand the situation on ground and went to Washington to arrange a unneeded ceasefire ... But still those peaks provide a good look for directing accurate artillery fire at NH 1D ... Imagine the possibilities ... We didn't lose nothing , we caught you with your pants down , inflicted more damage and retained a few strategic areas ...
 
Suffice to say, more closer to our times....2002 to be exact, the GOI/IA tried all tricks of the trade....sacrificed well over 500 boys...without a shot in anger.....and unilaterally pulled back...... here ends the lesson.:D

jammer yaar actually we dont mind the parliament attack, hell we would have cheered PA if they assassinated a few of our corrupt leaders. :D

come back to topic now
 
To hell with your high grounds, we had Most Advanced UAVs from Israel which was kept secret for so many years. So, even with high grounds, we knew where you folks were hiding and exactly where to hit you.

Now you are ridiculing your army , how the hell did PA even cross the border if there was so much surveillance from the most advanced UAV's ? :rofl: Even if you know where your enemy is , doesn't translate that you can kill/neutralize him too :lol: What sort of absurd logic are you coming with now ? :P
 
Pak Tribune - Kargil Debacle or Lost Opportunity
An ingenious tactical plan was pulled out of shelves and was set in motion. The plan called for occupying strategic peaks, on the Indian side of LOC, overlooking a long stretch of the Leh-Srinagar highway (NHA). The idea was to secure and hold vantage points overlooking the highway to direct Pakistani artillery fire for the purposes of intercepting and disrupting Indian logistical supply-lines. The highway was/is the lifeline of the Indian troops illegally occupying the Siachin Glacier. A suspension of supplies for few more weeks would have made it very difficult for the Indians troops in Siachin to have sustained the next winter. It was a brilliant tactical plan, but it was a lousy strategic plan. It was missing vital components of support from the political leadership, Foreign Office, and private TV channels – for the PR purposes
According to The Washington Post reporter, Pamela Constable, initially Indians claimed there were only dozen or two intruders who were to be dislodged within a week from few peaks. By the end of the conflict, Indians were literally swearing there were at least 5,000 Pakistani rebels commanding the heights. After the conflict, the Indians revised the numbers to 20,000 Indian troops (in the theater) vs. 1,500 so-called infiltrators. However, in 2002, Brig. Shaukat Qadir (Pakistani) claimed, the total number of Pakistani rebels never exceeded 1,000 from all ranks. The ratio of combatants was 20:1 in India’s favor. However, according to Global Security, at conflict’s peak, Indian troop strength in Kashmir ballooned to 730,000. The buildup included a handsome deployment of Indian Air Force personnel who were supporting the operations of around 60 frontline Indian aircraft.
It was quite evident that Indians were over their heads and nowhere close to a victory. Contrary to what the Indian propaganda machine was showing to the world, on emergency bases, their government was silently importing 3,500 caskets for their fallen men. In reality, Indians were nowhere even close to dislodging more than handful so-called intruders.
Mr. Sharif was incognizant of the immense advantage the Pakistanis enjoyed in the theater. Instead of trusting his military advisors, when Indians bluffed he folded. In short, Indian bluff of expanding the conflict unnerved Mr. Sharif. When the time came to show spine, he begged Washington to save him. He sold Pakistan’s advantage and honor for President Clinton’s word that he will take "personal interest" in the Kashmir dispute.
Had Mr. Sharif mustered little courage and waited another few weeks, snows would have returned to the area and India would have been forced to cease military operations. The status-quo would have left the Indian troops sitting in Siachin without any supplies to survive through the next winter.

Arthur Max, New Delhi bureau chief of Associated Press questioned, "How is it possible that casualties on the Pakistani side were higher -- as India claims -- when they had all the advantage of higher ground?” He appropriately reasoned, “The Indians should have suffered higher casualties than the Pakistanis."
 
it was a mix of regular, but mostly irregular forces....initial gains made by this tiny force (against conventional indian force) were HUGE since they occupied the heights and made target practice out of the defenders
 
initial gains made by this tiny force (against conventional indian force) were HUGE since they occupied the heights

initial gains were made against unoccupied bunkers...very brave indeed
even if you decide to blame the eventual retreat, on your leaders, you can hardly blame us for electing incompetent fools.
 
oh i can ASSURE you that many of those bunkers were indeed occupied.....the people occupying them were ''relieved'' of their duties
 
oh i can ASSURE you that many of those bunkers were indeed occupied.....the people occupying them were ''relieved'' of their duties

your assurance isn't needed, rather a credible source will be greatly appreciated. Yahoo Answers doesn't count.
 
it was a mix of regular, but mostly irregular forces....initial gains made by this tiny force (against conventional indian force) were HUGE since they occupied the heights and made target practice out of the defenders

The NLI at the time were para-military second line forces, comparable to the FC or Rangers or in the indian context CRPF.
 
oh i can ASSURE you that many of those bunkers were indeed occupied.....the people occupying them were ''relieved'' of their duties

BS. Cheapshot. Any attack on 'people' occupying bunkers would have been 'noticed' by the commanders, let alone being relieved. Those bunkers were occupied during the time when both armies were supposedly in their 'winter' bunkers below the heights. Apparently, Pak army and their supported minions didnt know that they had to wait till snow cleared to get back to the bunkers. And thus began the saga of humiliation for Pak army and Pakistan.

Funny how people here celebrate the failure of a brilliant tactical plan without a follow up strategic plan!! Funny how inspite of having all the advantages on their side, the 'brilliant tactical plan' still failed and yet those stupid planners are celebrated as heroes while the politicians (who actually ended up saving Pakistan) are blamed as traitors!!

Really funny, no?
 
Dont act like you have just joined the discussion :lol: Who's claiming that we accomplished the main goal ? ... PA reached very close to that Kargil-Drass road before being asked to withdraw unconditionally ... NS couldn't understand the situation on ground and went to Washington to arrange a unneeded ceasefire ... But still those peaks provide a good look for directing accurate artillery fire at NH 1D ... Imagine the possibilities ... We didn't lose nothing , we caught you with your pants down , inflicted more damage and retained a few strategic areas ...

Hmm I can understand that you guys were winning Kargil just like you were winning 1965 war. You guys don't believe in anything until you feel a taste of complete surrender like 1971 war which you guys were winning just like 1971 war till 17th December 1971.
 
Funny how people here celebrate the failure of a brilliant tactical plan without a follow up strategic plan!! Funny how inspite of having all the advantages on their side, the 'brilliant tactical plan' still failed and yet those stupid planners are celebrated as heroes while the politicians (who actually ended up saving Pakistan) are blamed as traitors!!

The tactical plan was not even carried out because of early detection. It sounds you are just mad.
 
i laugh at the indians who still think it was conventional warfare which 'necessitated' action by all the services....it's unfortunate that the Prime Minister was unable to hold his ground, and instead felt it was necessary to bog down to a little pressure from the man who was busy getting blow jobs in the oval office

Lol. See thats the kind of limited thinking I always talk about. Expand your horizons :)

Btw, what would you have us do or rather if you were in our shoes, what would you do? Simply give up like you fellows did in Siachen? Nah!

Dont blame your PM. Actually it was he who really saved Pakistan from the mess your 'brilliant planners' put Pakistan into. You wouldnt have been able to hold those grounds for a longer time. You pretty much know THAT.

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The tactical plan was not even carried out because of early detection. It sounds you are just mad.

You understand what you wrote?
 
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