As you said Denial is the first step towards acceptance
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Nope it clearly mentions civilians and military.
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One is from BSF & other one from Crpf.These soldiers are wearing khaki?????? wow just wow
Dont try and convince anyone here buddy. The Pakistanis have full faith in the ISPR and rightly so. Let them believe what they wish to believe.Seriously dude just don't.
In literally every meteic pak is worse than India.
Here a compiled list of violation of press freedom comparison between India and pak.
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Hate us?
We wouldn't care if they love us, we feel indifferent towards bangladeshis.
Big whoop, they didn't join us, for all the shit that is happening there now, thank heavens they didn't join us.
But what does them hating us have to do with India - pak?
Oh right, strawman argument since you don't really have a comeback for losing a major chunk of your territory.
Lol tactical retreat against talban, would have been totally understandable if it was a mature army.
You mean like this.
It seems Pakistani schools don't teach you about Longewala or Assal Uttar.
Stop with the selective history, actually learn the real thing maybe you won't be shamed by someone if you do.
. Everyone is happy that way.
As you said Denial is the first step towards acceptance
Army lied to the nation on Laungewala'
Rahul Singh, Hindustan Times New Delhi, March 02, 2008
First Published: 01:38 IST(2/3/2008) | Last Updated: 01:44 IST(2/3/2008)
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Two days after Hindustan Times published the shocking revelation by Maj. Gen. Atma Singh (retd) that the Army faked the famous battle, an air ace who controlled the strikes that finished off the Pakistani armour has said the Army has hoodwinked the nation with false tales of valour.
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Some other veterans of the 1971 war have also raised questions about this “golden moment” in India’s military history, romanticised by the 1997 Sunny Deol superhit, Border.
Air Marshal MS Bawa (retd), who was commanding the Jaisalmer base from where the IAF Hunter fighters operated in the battle, told Hindustan Times, “The services were the only organisation with some credibility. The Army has torn that apart by faking the entire operation.”
Atma Singh, who won the Vir Chakra for gallantry at Laungewala, had said no ground battle was fought, and the Army had merely rehearsed the operation on a sand model to cover up for its senior commanders’ incompetence.
The Army had, on February 24, given Defence Minister A.K. Antony a blow-by-blow account of how Major K.S Chandpuri (later Brigadier) leading just 100 men, had frustrated an attack by a Pakistani brigade backed by 45 tanks. Chandpuri got the Maha Vir Chakra, and his alpha company (23 Punjab) won six awards.
Bawa, then a wing commander, told Hindustan Times: “If the Army wants to stem this rot, it has to act against officers responsible for this propaganda. Or else, you will have a series of ketchup colonels and fake encounters.”
Shadow of doubt over Bawa’s Hunters flew some 220 strike missions, including 35 over Laungewala. They destroyed 37 tanks. He rubbished the Army’s claims of hitting two tanks and killing three Pakistani officers.
“The military leadership schemed to glorify the Army’s role. I landed at Laungewala on December 5 and saw a handful of infantry soldiers hunkered down in their trenches, scared,” Bawa said. The Army had made a mockery of gallantry awards.
When contacted for his version, Brig. Chandpuri heaped praise on the IAF. “It was virtually due to them that Laungewala was saved and threat to Jaisalmer neutralised.”
He, however, trashed criticism of the military leadership, crediting his generals for their “unstinted support.” He said his men didn’t give in despite overwhelming odds. The government had honoured him with the MVC, and he needed no other certificate, Chandpuri said.
What exactly happened in Laungewala according to the Army?
While according highest importance to its accomplishments, the Army gives full marks to the Air Force too. But sources in Army Headquarters couldn’t provide a chronological account of what happened. The history of the 1971 war, like that of previous wars, had not been de-classified, they said.
On December 3, 1971, Pakistan carried out air strikes against 24 Indian bases. Action shifted to Laungewala on the night of December 4-5, when the Army’s 12 Division was planning an offensive into Rahimyar Khan in Pakistan.
However, the Pakistanis surprised Indian forces by crossing the border at three different points, (border posts 632, 635 and 638), and surrounding the Laungewala post by 2 am on December 5. According to the popular depiction of the story (shown in the film Border), a famous ground battle followed, with a small, heroic band of Indians holding off a massive wave of Pakistani armour.
The IAF at that time didn’t have night fighting capabilities, and the first Hunters were scrambled only at 7.15 a.m., and the Pakistani armour was bombed out of existence. Ceasefire was announced on December 16.
An excerpt, accessed by this writer, dated December 5, from the war diaries of the Air Force’s 14 CMU (care and maintenance unit) reads: “Never in the history before, a more decisive battle has ever been fought between the Air Force alone versus the armour as was at Laungewala.”
Colonel P.S. Sangha (retd), an army pilot who won the Vir Chakra, said the battle was an Air Force victory. Fighter pilots won eight Vir Chakras.
Colonel D.R. Singh (retd) of 17 Rajputana Rifles, who reached the post on December 5 to provide reinforcements to Chandpuri, corroborated Bawa’s claim that barely 20 men were at the post. “The rest had run away. The role of 23 Punjab has been dramatically exaggerated,” he said.
Chandpuri said the controversy had created an avoidable misunderstanding between the Army and Air Force. “It has also demoralised soldiers and hurt their feelings
Pakistan is among most dangerous nations for journos but India is the most dangerous nation
This is why one should never drink too much cow mutra you post link of a satire article in a serious Debate
lmao
Go home kid you are drunk
dont quote me a worthless stupid troll
have a look at this Bharti Genius he is a true marvel
"Waah waah, this troll is bursting my bubble too much stop him from quoting me".
LOL
Rhetoric that needs to be maintained, so what
Bangladesh is not pakistan, them occupying anything has nothing to do with you.
Or are you so starved and desperate for a victory that you'll latch onto even bangladeshis.
Ugh, that is just dissapointing.
Bogus victories, lol.
Sour grapes much?
As much as we "lost" doesn't come close to what you
have lost.
Enjoy never being whole.
It seems that Pak deep state brainwshing has really addled pakistani brains.
Where are all these "estimates" coming from?
From some nobody.
You want neutral.
LOL, Cloughley, let me one up you with Bruce Reidel the then aide to Clinton during Kargil, someone who actually has a first hand account of the war.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1989886.stm
Pakistan 'prepared nuclear strike'
The USA knew about Pakistan's missile readiness
Pakistan deployed nuclear weapons for a possible attack against India in 1999 but was persuaded by the US not to launch them, former White House aide Bruce Riedel has said.
You've put me in the middle today, set the US to fail and I won't let it happen
President Bill Clinton
Mr Riedel says that the US became aware that Pakistan's armed forces were preparing for a possible deployment of nuclear weapons against India during a tense military stand-off in 1999.
In late June, successful Indian counter-attacks on Pakistan-occupied positions around Kargil in Kashmir, and Islamabad's diplomatic isolation, raised the probability of a Pakistani defeat.
According to Mr Riedel, this is when the US became aware Pakistan was preparing to use nuclear weapons, and President Clinton intervened to prevent their launch.
In a paper written for the Centre for the Advanced Study of India at the University of Pennsylvania, Mr Riedel recounts the last days of the Kargil conflict and the US role in defusing tensions.
Nuclear deployments
He says in early July, Pakistan's Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif desperately sought US intercession to prevent an escalation by India, and requested urgent intervention by President Clinton.
Mr Sharif thought India was doing the same
Mr Clinton insisted that Pakistan must first pull out from east of the line of control (LoC) dividing Kashmir and accept the blame for initiating the conflict.
Despite this, Mr Sharif arrived in Washington on 4 July, America's Independence Day, as Mr Clinton's guest.
According to Mr Riedel, Mr Sharif sought US help in extricating Pakistan from a much wider and more dangerous potential conflict, but President Clinton insisted on a Pakistani withdrawal from Kargil.
Mr Clinton then asked if Mr Sharif had ordered the army to prepare Pakistan's nuclear-tipped missiles for operational deployment.
Mr Sharif was taken aback but only replied gloomily that perhaps the Indian army was doing the same, Mr Riedel says in his account.
Mixed results
President Clinton rejected Mr Sharif's plea for a face-saving device for Pakistan's withdrawal from across the LoC and vented his frustration.
A nuclear exchange would be catastrophic
"You've put me in the middle today, set the US up to fail and I won't let it happen," he said. "Pakistan is messing with nuclear war."
But he offered to do what he could on the Kashmir dispute once Pakistan had pulled back all its forces from Indian-administered Kashmir.
Mr Riedel says Prime Minister Sharif, despite fears of possible military reaction to accepting such stark terms, reluctantly agreed.
Mr Sharif kept his word. On returning home, he ordered his forces back and President Clinton then persuaded India to accept a cease-fire.
Mr Riedel says President Clinton's clear and firm demands not only averted nuclear conflict but transformed US relations with India after decades of coolness.
However, Mr Riedel does link Pakistan's withdrawal from Kargil to the military coup that followed and the ousting of Prime Minister Sharif's and his eventual exile.
Yawn, one strawman after another.
So what?
Even with all our "deficiencies" you lot seem to always lose against us, maybe you should cry at how you are losing to a military with such practices.
Seriously dude just don't.
In literally every meteic pak is worse than India.
Here a compiled list of violation of press freedom comparison between India and pak.
View attachment 456408 View attachment 456409
Hate us?
We wouldn't care if they love us, we feel indifferent towards bangladeshis.
Big whoop, they didn't join us, for all the shit that is happening there now, thank heavens they didn't join us.
But what does them hating us have to do with India - pak?
Oh right, strawman argument since you don't really have a comeback for losing a major chunk of your territory.
Lol tactical retreat against talban, would have been totally understandable if it was a mature army.
You mean like this.
It seems Pakistani schools don't teach you about Longewala or Assal Uttar.
Stop with the selective history, actually learn the real thing maybe you won't be shamed by someone if you do.
What you,re showing is the back of the house Mor**.and even it looks intact.you need to grow a few more pounds worth the piece of meat thats called a Brain.
