Indian armed forces in alarming shape: NYT

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NEW YORK: The top US newspaper has presented a gloomy picture of Indian military capabilities and stated that the aerial combat with Pakistan in which it lost a fighter jet has ‘left observers a bit dumbfounded’.

“It was an inauspicious moment for a military the United States is banking on to help keep an expanding China in check,” the New York Times said in a hard-hitting analysis Sunday.

Comparing with Pakistan, the NYT said, India’s loss of a fighter jet last week to a country whose military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was still telling.

“India’s armed forces are in alarming shape,” wrote Maria Abi-Habib, the NYT’s Staff Correspondent in South Asia.

“If intense warfare broke out tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only 10 days of ammunition, according to government estimates. And 68 percent of the army’s equipment is so old, it is officially considered ‘vintage’,” she commented.

Gaurav Gogoi, a lawmaker and member of the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defense told the NYT that “troops lack modern equipment, but they have to conduct 21st-century military operations”.

Washington, which considered New Delhi as a key alliance and is keen on investing in enhancing India’s readiness, is ‘frustrated’ over the situation.

“A swollen bureaucracy makes arms sales and joint training exercises cumbersome; Indian forces are vastly underfunded; and the country’s navy, army and air force tend to compete rather than work together,” the officials involved in training say.

“In 2018, India announced a military budget of some $45 billion. By comparison, China’s military budget that year was $175 billion. Last month, Delhi announced another $45 billion budget. It is not just a question of how much India spends on its military, but how it spends it.”

“At a time when modern armies are investing hugely on upgrading their intelligence and technical capabilities, we need to be doing the same,” said Gogoi.
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[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Their soldiers cut grass and such and barter it for food at the with villagers on our side of line of control area I feel bad for the poor guys.
On top of that, they have caste system prevalent even in the forces. Soldiers should be taken care of and feeding them well is the most paramount obligation.

 

[I S I]

That 45 billion dollars defence budget should be diverted to RSS to make new Gaoshaalaas. Defence of gau maata is more important than desh maata.

 

[Enigma SIG]

It was an inauspicious moment for a military the United States is banking on to help keep an expanding China in check,” the New York Times said in a hard-hitting analysis Sunday.

Washington, which considered New Delhi as a key alliance and is keen on investing in enhancing India’s readiness, is ‘frustrated’ over the situation.

John Bolton is bitch slapping the Indians over this loss. Told the Indians this would be a long time coming. They're the bitch now.

 

[Mahmood uz Zaman]

India’s armed forces are in alarming shape,” wrote Maria Abi-Habib, the NYT’s Staff Correspondent in South Asia.

“If intense warfare broke out tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only 10 days of ammunition, according to government estimates. And 68 percent of the army’s equipment is so old, it is officially considered ‘vintage’,”

Now this is the RIGHT TIME TO INVADE INDIA with full force.
India lost their 3 day war with Pakistan, they cannot handle war in 2 front (Pakistan+China).

India’s armed forces are in alarming shape,” wrote Maria Abi-Habib, the NYT’s Staff Correspondent in South Asia.

“If intense warfare broke out tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only 10 days of ammunition, according to government estimates. And 68 percent of the army’s equipment is so old, it is officially considered ‘vintage’,”

Now this is the RIGHT TIME TO INVADE INDIA with full force.
India lost their 3 day war with Pakistan, they cannot handle war in 2 front (Pakistan+China).

India’s armed forces are in alarming shape,” wrote Maria Abi-Habib, the NYT’s Staff Correspondent in South Asia.

“If intense warfare broke out tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only 10 days of ammunition, according to government estimates. And 68 percent of the army’s equipment is so old, it is officially considered ‘vintage’,”

Now this is the RIGHT TIME TO INVADE INDIA with full force.
India lost their 3 day war with Pakistan, they cannot handle war in 2 front (Pakistan+China).

 

[Devil Soul]

After India Loses Dogfight to Pakistan, Questions Arise About Its ‘Vintage’ Military

Indian paramilitary troops in Srinagar in Kashmir this month. Sixty-eight percent of the army’s equipment is so old that it is officially considered “vintage.”CreditTauseef Mustafa/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

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Indian paramilitary troops in Srinagar in Kashmir this month. Sixty-eight percent of the army’s equipment is so old that it is officially considered “vintage.”CreditCreditTauseef Mustafa/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images


By Maria Abi-Habib

• March 3, 2019

NEW DELHI — It was an inauspicious moment for a military the United States is banking on to help keep an expanding China in check.

An Indian Air Force pilot found himself in a dogfight last week with a warplane from the Pakistani Air Force, and ended up a prisoner behind enemy lines for a brief time.

The pilot made it home in one piece, however bruised and shaken, but the plane, an aging Soviet-era MiG-21, was less lucky.

The aerial clash, the first by the South Asian rivals in nearly five decades, was a rare test for the Indian military — and it left observers a bit dumbfounded. While the challenges faced by the India’s armed forces are no secret, its loss of a plane last week to a country whose military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was still telling.

10 days of ammunition, according to government estimates. And 68 percent of the army’s equipment is so old, it is officially considered “vintage.”

“Our troops lack modern equipment, but they have to conduct 21st-century military operations,” said Gaurav Gogoi, a lawmaker and member of the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defense.


American officials tasked with strengthening the alliance talk about their mission with frustration: a swollen bureaucracy makes arms sales and joint training exercises cumbersome; Indian forces are vastly underfunded; and the country’s navy, army and air force tend to compete rather than work together.

said the United States was looking into the report. The offensive use of an F-16 warplane against its neighbor might have been a violation of the sales agreement.

“We are aware of these reports and are seeking more information,” the embassy said in a statement. “We take all allegations of misuse of defense articles very seriously.”

However troubled its military, India holds an obvious strategic appeal to the United States by virtue of both its location and its size.

Indian Air Force officials displaying the remains of an air-to-air missile they say a Pakistan fighter jet fired during a strike over Kashmir last week.CreditAnushree Fadnavis/Reuters

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Indian Air Force officials displaying the remains of an air-to-air missile they say a Pakistan fighter jet fired during a strike over Kashmir last week.CreditAnushree Fadnavis/Reuters
India will soon become the world’s most populous country, on track to surpass China by 2024. It shares a long border with southern and western China and controls important territorial waters Beijing needs for its maritime trade routes.

Cold Peace: China-India Rivalry in the 21st Century.”

“As China rises and the United States fights to keep its dominance, it will need a swing state to tip the balance of power in the 21st century,” Mr. Smith said. “And that swing state is India. The United States knows this and is willing to be patient.”

For India’s military, funding remains the biggest challenge.

In 2018, India announced a military budget of some $45 billion. By comparison, China’s military budget that year was $175 billion. Last month, Delhi announced another $45 billion budget.

It is not just a question of how much India spends on its military, but how it spends it.

The majority of the money goes to salaries for its 1.2 million active duty troops, as well as pensions. Only $14 billion will be used to buy new hardware.

“At a time when modern armies are investing hugely on upgrading their intelligence and technical capabilities, we need to be doing the same,” said Mr. Gogoi, the Parliament member.

Unlike China, where an authoritarian government is free to set military policy as it wishes, India is a democracy, with all the messiness that can entail.

land and sea.

China has significantly outpaced its rival, creating a robust and taxable middle class. China’s economic boom has allowed it to invest aggressively in buying top military hardware and producing it at home.

As the world’s conflicts are increasingly fought with state-of-the-art weaponry rather than the large invading armies of the past, India is falling behind. Despite being the fifth-largest military spender, only about a quarter of its military budget this year will purchase new equipment.

Although the purchase of military hardware is a slow-moving process in most countries, in India it moves even more sluggishly amid a swollen bureaucracy.

There are also concerns about corruption.

Mr. Modi is currently being grilled by the opposition over a murky $8.9 billion deal to buy 36 Rafale fighter planes from France. His political opponents have cast the agreement as corrupt in an effort to discredit him ahead of elections.

would have fared better in its skirmish with Pakistan last week if it had had the Rafale jets.

“The country has felt the shortage of Rafale,” Mr. Modi said.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/world/asia/india-military-united-states-china.html

 

[Jinn Baba]

As I said previously - this conflict has proven that India is only a paper tiger. All myths created by Indians have been busted!! These lying self-promoting delusional Indians have been exposed to the world, and it will be many years before anyone takes them seriously again.

 

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Indian armed forces in alarming shape: NYT


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NEW YORK: The top US newspaper has presented a gloomy picture of Indian military capabilities and stated that the aerial combat with Pakistan in which it lost a fighter jet has ‘left observers a bit dumbfounded’.

“It was an inauspicious moment for a military the United States is banking on to help keep an expanding China in check,” the New York Times said in a hard-hitting analysis Sunday.

Comparing with Pakistan, the NYT said, India’s loss of a fighter jet last week to a country whose military is about half the size and receives a quarter of the funding was still telling.

“India’s armed forces are in alarming shape,” wrote Maria Abi-Habib, the NYT’s Staff Correspondent in South Asia.

“If intense warfare broke out tomorrow, India could supply its troops with only 10 days of ammunition, according to government estimates. And 68 percent of the army’s equipment is so old, it is officially considered ‘vintage’,” she commented.

Gaurav Gogoi, a lawmaker and member of the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defense told the NYT that “troops lack modern equipment, but they have to conduct 21st-century military operations”.

Washington, which considered New Delhi as a key alliance and is keen on investing in enhancing India’s readiness, is ‘frustrated’ over the situation.

“A swollen bureaucracy makes arms sales and joint training exercises cumbersome; Indian forces are vastly underfunded; and the country’s navy, army and air force tend to compete rather than work together,” the officials involved in training say.

“In 2018, India announced a military budget of some $45 billion. By comparison, China’s military budget that year was $175 billion. Last month, Delhi announced another $45 billion budget. It is not just a question of how much India spends on its military, but how it spends it.”

“At a time when modern armies are investing hugely on upgrading their intelligence and technical capabilities, we need to be doing the same,” said Gogoi.
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The americans seem to be telling the indians "you need to buy a lot of American weapons now , right away"

 

[El Sidd]

Politically and militarily, India is a sitting duck.

Had it not been for fears of mass refugee crisis. India would not exist as a nation state which probably it will not if fascism breeds more and more with religious extremism.

 

[SrNair]

The americans seem to be telling the indians "you need to buy a lot of American weapons now , right away"

Absolutely Right.
But for the record. We dont want the advice of some foreign journalists about our military.

We will purchase if there is a necessity,
Otherwise we dont even care .
If our pilots can do this much using 5 decades old Mig 21.
Then we are absolutely satisfied .

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Each Rafale fighter is $200 million...

Sorry, a autocratic government can't decide to buy it.

 

[Enigma SIG]

The americans seem to be telling the indians "you need to buy a lot of American weapons now , right away"

John Bolton isn't happy. He wants Modi to upgrade all his military right now.

Absolutely Right.
But for the record. We dont want the advice of some foreign journalists about our military.

We will purchase if there is a necessity,
Otherwise we dont even care .
If our pilots can do this much using 5 decades old Mig 21.
Then we are absolutely satisfied .

What exactly did the migs do? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
You just bought 750k Aks from Russia, so you're on a spending blitz right now.
Oh well; everything that keeps a dollar being spent on improving the IQ levels of Indians is fine by us.

 

[Dr. Abdul Basit]

May be its just me but the ploy seems for mass weapons purchase

 

[Trango Towers]

Politically and militarily, India is a sitting duck.

Had it not been for fears of mass refugee crisis. India would not exist as a nation state which probably it will not if fascism breeds more and more with religious extremism.

27th feb PAF went duck hunting. Bagged two.
But one of the ducks kept saying chai chai instead of quak quak hi name was Abiduckduck

 

[Mrc]

Although this is not over yet...

But myth of invincible indian military is in shambles