Indian Arihant a rip off Russian sub?

[unicorn148]

The reactor has been installed in the sub by now because it was stated that during the recent accident the sub was not in the dock and was undergoing sea trails so its clear that by now the reactor is there.
The arihant is not the copy of Charlie class. The technology used in it will be far more advanced. It resembles only is the size and not in tech. The major difference is arihant is 6000 tonne and Charlie is 4000 tonne which is far less than arihant. Arihant is a SSBN unlike Charlie is a cruise missile sub

 

[mautkimaut]

We can debate that statement but lets assume for a moment the Indian Arihant is a rip-off of a russian rub e.g. the Akula SSN or some other russian sub.

SO WHAT?

It's still an SSN that will give the IN capabilities it didn't have before. And they will be building it in India.

Indian PM thanked Russia for its help when Arihant was launched.

Russia is one country which has always stood by India's side

 

[mautkimaut]

So how does the story end?? Is it still a floating hull?? I checked wikipedia and it had the same unclear, half-truths.

The first one is at Sea trials.

 

[faithfulguy]

I wonder if this sub is a SSBN or SSGN. My guess is that as this is the first sub ever build in India, it would contain capabilities to do both and it will be converted to a test platform for future subs.

 

[Dharmachakra]

Is there any secret in this?
Arihant series is undertaken with due consideration of Russian Consultancy. If consultancy just means a rip off? then F-35 VTOL is a rip off of YAK toooo.
Its a open secret accepted by both India and russia that ATV is a child of both Indi-Russian colloboration to propell India faster in the Under Race.
there may be many hiccups as been projected in the print and online media, but Russia dont want India fall for a copy cat china or arrogant USA.

Frankly many of Indian nuclear programs and space programs are surviving as part of russian assistance in terms of know-how and nothing more than that.
Hey we didnt steal uranium refinement secrets from the west and pass it onto China.
India we call them as traitors while in other countries they call him as a national hero. :O

From Top to bottom every one in India agrees that Russian assistance is a life line to India nuke sub program. Now that we are matured due to the intital offered know-how, the next series will see drastic changes from complete fuel cycle to change in metal oxide.
there is a proto type thorium reactor for naval use. it will achieve criticality in another 9 months.

 

[IndianArmy]

Wait for the Sub to make a Public Appearance first, It has been designed and Made by L&T in partnership with DRDO, BEL And TATA...And L&T is a company Not new to Designing and Fabrication. Lets wait for an Official Look at it...

 

[Dharmachakra]

Building a nuclear sub is no ordinary feat. It need perfect shielding of the reactor core and crew compartments given the least amount of space available. Certainly I am not inclined in bringing up some western reports on Chinese nuclear subs which started having problems since day once and hence one of the reasons for the least number of patrols being performed.

However, Arihant in its current form has some issues too. And they have been rectified during the harbour trials.But the invaluable indian way of doing things ina most innovative and costless manner helped for the perfect shielding of the reactor from the rest of the sub with minimal cost and simple ways.And the next S3 supossed to be launched in Dec will include many more improvements in the design along with fuel cycle.

 

[footmarks]

what did we say about north korean being brained washed pathological liars and deluded? well we were quite wrong because indians simply take the cake away when it come to satisfying ego...
like i have said earlar... anything in arihant are nothing but variants of Akulla and charli class systems.. werent indians also jumping up and down for Arjun and Dhruv etc being indigenous designs?? lol..... check bk-117 and LEO-II..... and both arjun and dhruv desings are infact "german"... indians love to cheat themself when it comes to "ego satisfying"..

Anything with wheels is basically a "variant" of bicycle. All ships are a "variant" of few wooden logs tied together. We cant invent something twice right? Developing a variant of something in itself require a lot of improvization and developing certain existing technologies & expertise on your own. Whether you call it "indigenous" or "Bhindigenous" doesnt really matter, what really matter is that we have developed the expertise to built it on our own, and we are now capable of building it on our own whenever we want & how many we want.

Heck, by your logic, even Pakistan is a "variant" of India, isnt it?

 

[Dharmachakra]

what did we say about north korean being brained washed pathological liars and deluded? well we were quite wrong because indians simply take the cake away when it come to satisfying ego...
like i have said earlar... anything in arihant are nothing but variants of Akulla and charli class systems.. werent indians also jumping up and down for Arjun and Dhruv etc being indigenous designs?? lol..... check bk-117 and LEO-II..... and both arjun and dhruv desings are infact "german"... indians love to cheat themself when it comes to "ego satisfying"..

Indians can build as many Arihants (infact the S3`s the much improved ones) as then can. You know the reason why? Each and every part from the hydrophones on the sonar to the nut and bolt and including the revets used came from local manufacturers which are specially ordered by IN and DRDO after rigorous design simulations. No one takes the cake as much as you tout. Thanks to the russian help in the light water reactors, India has been able to improve it for the S3 due respect to the increase in displacement.

WE DONT EVEN GIVE A RATS A$$ no matter how much you cry about our own designed systems.Not even a single component has been imported(due to the fact that everything that needs was able to be produced in India)

Before your whining on Indian stuff first go and save your own air bases then you can think about a horde of Arihant class coming after your country(if people obsessed like you still exists )

At this point of time I will put atleast a 1000+ achievements by BARC which designed the reactor for Arihant. And give me atleast 100 such achievements by PAEC .

 

[kingkobra]

the point i am trying to make here is the bubble indians are living in that its a "indigenous" nuclear sub.

when pakistanis are busy bursting bubbles of other countries their own country's bubble is bursting everyday...
this is what happens when someone gets over obsessed with enemies rather than their internal matters..

 

[sanibhagwan]

I am sure a few days from now there will be a thread about indian indigenious submarine hit by problems and IN eventually begging to take it away from them..Like LCA and ALH and not to forget ArJunk!

Like how you are sure Osama bin laden was not in pakistan.

 

[faithfulguy]

Is there any news about the nuclear reactor gone critical yet? I heard a lot of talk about the sub but no truth worthy news about the reactors.

 

[sanibhagwan]

After showing the evidence of Russian rip off submarine, let me show some startling news from another article published on strategypage.com web site;



As I thought for Indian to do anything successfully or make it work without wasting decades is almost neigh impossible. They couldn’t make it work despite all the help they had from the Russians. To fool people they decided to launch the Submarine without its nuclear reactor, weapons and other important components are missing too.
It is getting better and better, but whatever it may be it is still “indigenous”.




This article confirmed what was written in Google article, it is indeed based on Russian Charlie II submarine, retired by the Russians in early 1990’s.

Before the Indians complain let me produce excerpts from an article on Indian Samachar.com




Ok, Ok, you launched it as a “nuclear” submarine, but it is media’s fault not to understand you, fine. But when the actual “nuclear” submarine would be ready exactly?



Here you have it, the truth about the “indigenous” nature of the submarine and its real worth. No nuclear reactor, no weapons, no testing, but it is launched as a floating hull.

Barges do similar work don’t they? They are floating hulls too.

As a matter a fact. Arihant is a over kill for ragtag pakistani navy. If 4 terrorist could give your navy a thrashing, why need a Arihant?

 

[sanibhagwan]

Na, we only pointing out the truth, where did I say or boosted anywhere about Pakistan? Not a word my friends. So let's talk truth about your "Indigenous" projects.

We don't boost, we at least tell how it is, if it is joint venture, or bought from somewhere. If you have not produced it, then tell it honestly and it is end of the matter. Why give indigenous status to every junk you have produced in last 40+ years.

The fact is the first Charlie II K245 was commissioned in 1974 by Russia. And last in this class K209 was commissioned in 1982.

This submarine is almost 40 years old. And it has been decommissioned since 1994. Therefore it is an obsolete technology. But it does not stop Indian to present it as "Technology demonstrator" and cutting edge.
Indians have been trying to succeed for over 25 years on this borrowed obsolete technology, but still no joy, despite taking help from the Russian, it is not in service yet.

I like what one of your own TV commentator said on his duds report, the weapon which work in pristine conditions in other's hands become useless in Indian hands.

I tell you another secret, You see you are here and on many Pakistani forums, given chances to put your point of view freely. I have tried posting my comments on your web sites, forums, newspaper websites, they never publish my comments.

Says it all about your "democracy", you are one of the worst, when it comes to hearing the truth. No wonder, your websites never ever publish my comments. Reason! I am brutally honest, and Indians don't like to listen to the facts. You are ridiculous and suffering from false sense of superiority.

I agree with everything you have said. Still, it is more than enough to win 3 wars.

Should i mention about the karachi and chitagong port denial in 1971 war. I also should be sincere and tender my appology that chitagong port is not any more with pakistan.

 

[tvsram1992]

no weapon system in indian is 100% made in indian

Oh then which country helped us in making Agni?
Dont say blindly russia... if russia had helped us we would have made a missile with 10 mirv war head with 11000 km range... that can strike any where in the world and we made indigenously our nukes in 1974 unlike u copied from china...