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After Balakot, IAF plans to equip Mirage 2000 aircraft with long-range Meteor missiles
The 27 February dogfight showed Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.
SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP Updated: 30 March, 2019 1:14 pm IST
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File photo of Meteor missiles displayed in front of German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoon | mbda-systems.com
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New Delhi: The Indian Air Force is keenly considering arming the Mirage 2000 aircraft with potent long-range Meteor missiles as the 27 February dogfight highlighted that Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.

With the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor, the balance will once again tilt in India’s favour the way it happened during the Kargil war in 1999 when the Pakistan Air Force did not dare to close in because India had better air-to-air missiles.

On 27 February, at the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistan’s F-16 fighter jets, armed with AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, or AMRAAM, had targeted India’s frontline fighter aircraft Su-30 MKI.

The Indian fighters, armed with R-73 and R-77 air-to-air missiles, could not target the F-16s because they were outranged as the F-16s were fired from a distance of about 45 km from the LoC.

It is only when a Mig-21 Bison, flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, chased an intruding Pakistani fighter jet across the LoC that it got a lock on and shot it down.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had later said that if the IAF had Rafale fighter jets, then the outcome would have been different.

Top IAF officials told ThePrint that it indeed would have been the case.

“Rafale armed with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor would have been a huge deterrent as no Pakistani aircraft would have dared to come close by at least 100 km,” an official said.

Also read: India inducts Chinook helicopters, adds muscle to military along China border

Mirage 2000 armed with Meteors
The IAF, which is upgrading three squadrons of Mirage 2000s, is now keenly thinking about integrating the Meteor on them.

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Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor | mbda-systems.com
“The Meteor on the Mirage is something which we are keenly looking into. When the upgrade deal was signed with Dassault Aviation for the Mirages, the Meteor was still in the developing phase. And hence this would be a fresh deal. We are looking into the cost-effectiveness and other issues,” a top IAF source told ThePrint.

The Air Force is looking at a combination of BrahMos NG, Israeli Derby, Meteor, indigenous Astra, R-73 and R-77 to gain aerial superiority.

“There is no class of missiles in Pakistan and China that can match the Meteor at this point of time. However, China is investing heavily on indigenous cruise missiles and long-range missiles. Any missile that China will make will eventually get into the hands of Pakistan,” another IAF source said.

The Indian Air Force had the upper hand during the Kargil war because Pakistan did not have a BVR, but India did. However, since then, they have acquired the AMRAAM, which tilted the balance in their favour.

Also read: Not IAF pilot error but HAL upgrade tech glitch suspected in Bengaluru Mirage 2000 crash

IAF’s plan for Meteor on Su-30 MKI and Tejas goes kaput
The IAF’s initial plan to equip the Su-30 MKI and the Tejas with Meteor has gone kaput because the European firm, MBDA, refused to integrate them.

The MBDA told the IAF that it cannot integrate the missile, with a range of over 120 km and a no-escape zone of 60 km, on a Russian platform or the Tejas, which uses Israeli radar.

However, following heavy negotiations between the European firm and the IAF, the MBDA has agreed to reconsider once indigenous AESA radar, manufactured by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), is installed on board the Tejas Mark 1A or Mark II

https://theprint.in/defence/after-b...craft-with-long-range-meteor-missiles/214587/
 
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It is only when a Mig-21 Bison, flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, chased an intruding Pakistani fighter jet across the LoC that it got a lock on and shot it down.
How did a AMRAAM from this ill fated F-16 end up across the LOC and later in a press conference? And how did all of the Wing Commander's missiles end up discovered near the wreckage of the MiG-21?
 
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Modi should ask this cartoon IAF chief.. If that was the case why u given green signal to us when we were planning attack inside Pakistan .. I bet modi will did spacial prathna for this small loss in the hand of PAF.... Because according to current situation, on that day PAF can score as many as they want .. And it is only because of this Shitty BS dhona who satisfied modi we are far better equipped and we are much superior then PAF... BC iski wardi utarwa kar chittar lagaoo..
 
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After Balakot, IAF plans to equip Mirage 2000 aircraft with long-range Meteor missiles
The 27 February dogfight showed Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.
SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP Updated: 30 March, 2019 1:14 pm IST
Meteor-19.002-640x360.jpg

File photo of Meteor missiles displayed in front of German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoon | mbda-systems.com
Text Size:



New Delhi: The Indian Air Force is keenly considering arming the Mirage 2000 aircraft with potent long-range Meteor missiles as the 27 February dogfight highlighted that Indian aircraft were outranged by Pakistan Air Force in aerial combat.

With the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor, the balance will once again tilt in India’s favour the way it happened during the Kargil war in 1999 when the Pakistan Air Force did not dare to close in because India had better air-to-air missiles.

On 27 February, at the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistan’s F-16 fighter jets, armed with AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, or AMRAAM, had targeted India’s frontline fighter aircraft Su-30 MKI.

The Indian fighters, armed with R-73 and R-77 air-to-air missiles, could not target the F-16s because they were outranged as the F-16s were fired from a distance of about 45 km from the LoC.

It is only when a Mig-21 Bison, flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, chased an intruding Pakistani fighter jet across the LoC that it got a lock on and shot it down.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had later said that if the IAF had Rafale fighter jets, then the outcome would have been different.

Top IAF officials told ThePrint that it indeed would have been the case.

“Rafale armed with Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor would have been a huge deterrent as no Pakistani aircraft would have dared to come close by at least 100 km,” an official said.

Also read: India inducts Chinook helicopters, adds muscle to military along China border

Mirage 2000 armed with Meteors
The IAF, which is upgrading three squadrons of Mirage 2000s, is now keenly thinking about integrating the Meteor on them.

meteor-Mere.jpg

Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile Meteor | mbda-systems.com
“The Meteor on the Mirage is something which we are keenly looking into. When the upgrade deal was signed with Dassault Aviation for the Mirages, the Meteor was still in the developing phase. And hence this would be a fresh deal. We are looking into the cost-effectiveness and other issues,” a top IAF source told ThePrint.

The Air Force is looking at a combination of BrahMos NG, Israeli Derby, Meteor, indigenous Astra, R-73 and R-77 to gain aerial superiority.

“There is no class of missiles in Pakistan and China that can match the Meteor at this point of time. However, China is investing heavily on indigenous cruise missiles and long-range missiles. Any missile that China will make will eventually get into the hands of Pakistan,” another IAF source said.

The Indian Air Force had the upper hand during the Kargil war because Pakistan did not have a BVR, but India did. However, since then, they have acquired the AMRAAM, which tilted the balance in their favour.

Also read: Not IAF pilot error but HAL upgrade tech glitch suspected in Bengaluru Mirage 2000 crash

IAF’s plan for Meteor on Su-30 MKI and Tejas goes kaput
The IAF’s initial plan to equip the Su-30 MKI and the Tejas with Meteor has gone kaput because the European firm, MBDA, refused to integrate them.

The MBDA told the IAF that it cannot integrate the missile, with a range of over 120 km and a no-escape zone of 60 km, on a Russian platform or the Tejas, which uses Israeli radar.

However, following heavy negotiations between the European firm and the IAF, the MBDA has agreed to reconsider once indigenous AESA radar, manufactured by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), is installed on board the Tejas Mark 1A or Mark II

https://theprint.in/defence/after-b...craft-with-long-range-meteor-missiles/214587/
Hahaha so by that definition mig 21 > su 30. Why the mig 21's r73 etc were working lol? Also su30 doesn't have any long range missile? I have difficulty understanding this. Can anyone explain please?
 
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Hahaha so by that definition mig 21 > su 30. Why the mig 21's r73 etc were working lol? Also su30 doesn't have any long range missile? I have difficulty understanding this. Can anyone explain please?
su30 is very hard and expensive to maintain, nearly all of Malaysia airforce Su30mkm are grounded.
 
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Now french will milk them more, and some in IAF and politicians will grease their palms.

Mirage 2000s were already outclassed by both F-16 and JF-17, they should have known this. the real surprise was Su-30..

But are they forgetting something.. before firing a missile whether long ranged or short ranged, you need to acquire a lock by tracking it..
 
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i think india will again try misadventure and are preparing for this
 
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Now french will milk them more, and some in IAF and politicians will grease their palms.

Mirage 2000s were already outclassed by both F-16 and JF-17, they should have known this. the real surprise was Su-30..

But are they forgetting something.. before firing a missile whether long ranged or short ranged, you need to acquire a lock by tracking it..
and the ability of the ECM is something really matters. thats what Mig21 and Su30MKI lacks of. Rafale is a different story. but 36 rafale is far from enough.
 
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and the ability of the ECM is something really matters. thats what Mig21 and Su30MKI lacks of. Rafale is a different story. but 36 rafale is far from enough.

The French are going to absolutely milk these Indians LOL

The Rafale and EF are two expensive fighters to maintain. From logistics to acquisition. Training and induction. It is going to take years before the Rafale even becomes a fully inducted dream for IAF.

PAF will be inducting higher JF-17 blocks and possibly a 5th gen fighter by then.
 
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