Indian Air Force to induct first killer drones

[surya kiran]

AAhh another Indian ariforce foreign purchase. Unbelieveable we are unable to make even a 23 kg drone. This is pathetic and shamefull at most. When Chinese make fun of us they are right.

making a drone is not a problem. I can make it provided you give me the right amount of money. An airship with a 25km control range, 50km range FLIR camera and 6 hour capability can be developed and deployed in less that what you can imagine.

Believe me creating a standard flying model is not difficult. Getting the avionics in place and integration with variables like range, payload, altitude, weather conditions...are where things get complicated.

 

[isro2222]

Bit looks like hammer head shark.... (but far deadly one)....

 

[Mitro]

Harop is not a drone or UCAV in the classical sense. It is a loitering munition (LM) system.

Here's how it operates. It's a missile itself. In other words, a maneuverable remote controlled missile with hover, SEAD and recce capabilities. It would be cost effective only against very high value targets. The Indian Air Force will be inducting 10 Harop systems purchased for US $100 Million. This includes munition units, transportable launchers and a mission control shelter, which provides real-time access to control the Harop by a man-in-the-loop.

IF we used this against F-22P frigate (pakistan) Fm -90n missile and CIWS will easily destroy this toy.
Waste of taxpayer money .

 

[Mitro]

I have a point of view on this and it is open to debate.

The Harop is mainly defined for a SEAD role. Which means, it combines, detection, targeting and destroy all in one. During a SEAD operation to cover this you would need atleast 3 elements besides the control centre.

1. Detection - You would need aircraft which can operate in that radar dense environment, be cheap cause it could go down.
2. Jamming - You would need aircraft to jam it so that the actual attack can be carried out with aircraft.
3. Destroy - ARM capable fighters being put in the line of fire.

Or if you have a ground team in place, lasing the target for the LGB to do its work. Besides this also remember the missile being used to hit the radar site will need to be smart. Cause radar officers 'will' switch off their radars which is why the 6 hr loiter makes sense.

Now when you look at the above, a single unit which has zero casualty cost, but the ability to go after the target 'on opportunity' makes sense.

A Predator is, if I am not mistaken defined for the SEAD role. They carry hellfiresThats why they have the Longbows being used in SEAD role by the US armed forces. Also, UCAVs like the Predator cannot carry ARM missiles for the simple reason that they are too heavy.

For SEAD Mission we cannot destroy by sending this toy .

The weapons most often associated with this mission are anti-radiation missiles (ARMs) such as the American AGM-88 HARM and British ALARM. Weapons used for SEAD missions can be anything which damages or destroys a component of an air defense system. A Paveway LGB, for example, is not a SEAD-specific munition but, when used to destroy a radar antenna, it achieves the objective of Suppression of Enemy Air Defense.
Possibly the most effective type of unguided ("dumb") weapon used during SEAD strikes are cluster bombs, because many SAM sites are dispersed over a fairly wide area, in order to increase the difficulty of inflicting serious damage on the battery, and the relative "softness" of the targets (missile launchers, exposed radars, etc.). The Mk-20 Rockeye II anti-armor cluster munition and the CBU-87 general-purpose cluster munition are often used against these fixed-location SAM sites, often for "clean-up" of a site whose radar or C&C facilities are first destroyed by a longer-range ARM or AGM. The relatively new American AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon is a valuable SEAD weapon due to its fairly long standoff range which allows the launching aircraft to avoid being threatened by all but the longest-range missiles, and its relatively large area of destruction against soft targets.

 

[Mitro]

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[surya kiran]

I have a point of view on this and it is open to debate.

The Harop is mainly defined for a SEAD role. Which means, it combines, detection, targeting and destroy all in one. During a SEAD operation to cover this you would need atleast 3 elements besides the control centre.

1. Detection - You would need aircraft which can operate in that radar dense environment, be cheap cause it could go down.
2. Jamming - You would need aircraft to jam it so that the actual attack can be carried out with aircraft.
3. Destroy - ARM capable fighters being put in the line of fire.

Or if you have a ground team in place, lasing the target for the LGB to do its work. Besides this also remember the missile being used to hit the radar site will need to be smart. Cause radar officers 'will' switch off their radars which is why the 6 hr loiter makes sense.

Now when you look at the above, a single unit which has zero casualty cost, but the ability to go after the target 'on opportunity' makes sense.

A Predator is, if I am not mistaken defined for the SEAD role. They carry hellfiresThats why they have the Longbows being used in SEAD role by the US armed forces. Also, UCAVs like the Predator cannot carry ARM missiles for the simple reason that they are too heavy.

For SEAD Mission we cannot destroy by sending this toy .

The weapons most often associated with this mission are anti-radiation missiles (ARMs) such as the American AGM-88 HARM and British ALARM. Weapons used for SEAD missions can be anything which damages or destroys a component of an air defense system. A Paveway LGB, for example, is not a SEAD-specific munition but, when used to destroy a radar antenna, it achieves the objective of Suppression of Enemy Air Defense.
Possibly the most effective type of unguided ("dumb") weapon used during SEAD strikes are cluster bombs, because many SAM sites are dispersed over a fairly wide area, in order to increase the difficulty of inflicting serious damage on the battery, and the relative "softness" of the targets (missile launchers, exposed radars, etc.). The Mk-20 Rockeye II anti-armor cluster munition and the CBU-87 general-purpose cluster munition are often used against these fixed-location SAM sites, often for "clean-up" of a site whose radar or C&C facilities are first destroyed by a longer-range ARM or AGM. The relatively new American AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon is a valuable SEAD weapon due to its fairly long standoff range which allows the launching aircraft to avoid being threatened by all but the longest-range missiles, and its relatively large area of destruction against soft targets.

the Harop and its predecessor the Harpy are primarily anti radar weapons.

 

[Mitro]

the Harop and its predecessor the Harpy are primarily anti radar weapons.

You Are absolutely right but to destroy a sam battery or Radar site we have to use Armour piercing cluster ammunition or blast-framentation warhead.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force is planning to induct its first self-destructing combat drones from Israel by next year for enhancing its firepower.

The Israeli-made Harop unmanned combat air vehicle (UCAV) will give IAF the capability of hitting high value targets such as enemy missile and radar sites without sending its manned fighter aircraft.

"The UCAV are expected to join us by next year enhancing our firepower in both conventional and low intensity conflict," a senior IAF official told PTI here.

Harop will be IAF's first combat UAV for offensive strikes, though it already possesses a fleet of Searcher and Heron UAVs to perform surveillance and reconnaissance roles.

Unlike the Predator drones being used by the US against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan that can fire missiles and return after a mission, the Harop is self-destructing, making them a more expensive option.

Developed by the Israel Aerospace Industries, the Harop UCAVs were bought by India two years ago under a deal expected to be worth over Rs 500 crore.

The UCAV cannot only hit enemy radars by locking on to their radio emissions, but also has an electro-optical sensor that allows the remote operator to select static or moving targets in a battlefield.

Harop, with a 23-kg warhead, is 2.5 metre long with a 3-metre wingspan and has a six-hour endurance.

The DRDO is also working on some projects to develop indigenous combat UAVs but they are at an advanced stage.

Indian Air Force to induct first killer drones - The Economic Times

Kudos to Indo-Israel friendship But we need predator type drones !!

Predator type drones called Rustom 2 are under development.

What I'm confused about is the UCAV Kalam had proposed. A remote controlled BrahMos missile. What happened to that.

 

[Oldman1]

I think IAF hands were tied as far as this deal is concerned, they surely would had gone for predator drones, but US will not give them to any country, so IAF just went for next best option until DRDO project AURA fructifies.

Couple of countries have the Predator.

 

[lkozhi]

NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force is planning to induct its first self-destructing combat drones from Israel by next year for enhancing its firepower.

The Israeli-made Harop unmanned combat air vehicle (UCAV) will give IAF the capability of hitting high value targets such as enemy missile and radar sites without sending its manned fighter aircraft.

"The UCAV are expected to join us by next year enhancing our firepower in both conventional and low intensity conflict," a senior IAF official told PTI here.

Harop will be IAF's first combat UAV for offensive strikes, though it already possesses a fleet of Searcher and Heron UAVs to perform surveillance and reconnaissance roles.

Unlike the Predator drones being used by the US against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan that can fire missiles and return after a mission, the Harop is self-destructing, making them a more expensive option.

Developed by the Israel Aerospace Industries, the Harop UCAVs were bought by India two years ago under a deal expected to be worth over Rs 500 crore.

The UCAV cannot only hit enemy radars by locking on to their radio emissions, but also has an electro-optical sensor that allows the remote operator to select static or moving targets in a battlefield.

Harop, with a 23-kg warhead, is 2.5 metre long with a 3-metre wingspan and has a six-hour endurance.

The DRDO is also working on some projects to develop indigenous combat UAVs but they are at an advanced stage.

Indian Air Force to induct first killer drones - The Economic Times

Kudos to Indo-Israel friendship But we need predator type drones !!

self destructing technology isro and drdo are the masters. ;-) I think israel learned its lesson when pakistan shot its first version.
i think it is not killer drone but should be named suicide drone. why waste money we should have just pointed a rocket isro makes to pakistan. it will self destruct

 

[IND151]

Not very cost effective I guess?

but using this drone means no risk to human life

that way its good

Couple of countries have the Predator.

which ones?

 

[OrionHunter]

AAhh another Indian ariforce foreign purchase. Unbelieveable we are unable to make even a 23 kg drone. This is pathetic and shamefull at most. When Chinese make fun of us they are right.

Why spend time, effort, and resources on re-inventing the wheel?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Predator type drones called Rustom 2 are under development.

What I'm confused about is the UCAV Kalam had proposed. A remote controlled BrahMos missile. What happened to that.

Remote controlled brahmos missile?
Whoeva might have proposed it, i would like to see the light of the drone pretty soon...

 

[ajtr]

Kamikaze drones..................

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Kamikaze drones..................

True in exact sense