Indian Air Force News & Discussions

[X_Killer]

Really, then i wonder why IAF is always fielding it's Flankers, Fulcrums and Mirages in an effort to counter PAF.
Jaguar is basically a ground attack aircraft and doesn't stand much of a chance as a fighter....and IAF having lost over 50 without once firing in anger also puts a big question mark on how it's operated.

Dude, refresh your calculations, DARIN-III gets IOC in Nov'16 , also only 60 jags are planned to be upgraded for this level.
IAF has 250+ Flankers situated at almost all forward bases.
If you review 1999 Kargil, there was no flanker/MKI in service with IAF. Only Jaguars and Mirages swiftly handle the situation.
If you like to compare crashes , why do you like to say this report from Pak media :

 

[Gomig-21]

Jag DARIN-III are far much better than Aircrafts of Indian enemy at west front like F-7, Mirage v, Mirage III, f-16A/B and sino jf-17 block 1
But we still considering them as potent fighters but only for peace time.
Cheers!

Mmmm...look, I don't have a cat in this fight, let me make that clear haha (I know how touchy this subject is with all the passionate Pakistanis and Indian bros and I respect and admire both), but the Jaguar is not really a multi-role AC and more relegated to CAS and G/A roles, and in reality, it was originally designed -- and I'm guessing India acquired it and the kits for HAL to assemble them -- mostly for the difficult and terrible role of delivering nuclear bombs. This was really its primary, role as the British and French had designed it to be back in the 60's and its airframe is not suitable for dogfitghting and for the sake of objectivity, even to the capability of the PAF Mirage V with the Rose upgrade etc. The question becomes it's BVR performance and how good that is. But even that, and PAF's F-16's Blck 52 can also deploy AIM-120's. I'm not sure if their A/B's have been upgraded to fire the AIM-120, or even their F-7's can fire the PL-12 or something close, but the Jag's role would most likely have escort for AA protection due to its primary role. I think you guys are covered simply by the count of the Su-30MKI and MiG-29K's and Mirage 2K's etc, So plenty to fill the A/A role besides the Jag. This is what impressed me about the IAF, quantity & quality but I don't underestimate the PAK, either.

Wiki lists the active count @ 145 units, is the number that high? That's a lot if true.

....and IAF having lost over 50 without once firing in anger also puts a big question mark on how it's operated.

50 lost? That seems like an incredibly high number, not even combat attrition should be near that count (considering the variety of aircraft at their disposal), let alone peacetime, operational crashes. Are you sure about that number?

 

[X_Killer]

Mmmm...look, I don't have a cat in this fight, let me make that clear haha (I know how touchy this subject is with all the passionate Pakistanis and Indian bros and I respect and admire both), but the Jaguar is not really a multi-role AC and more relegated to CAS and G/A roles, and in reality, it was originally designed -- and I'm guessing India acquired it and the kits for HAL to assemble them -- mostly for the difficult and terrible role of delivering nuclear bombs. This was really its primary, role as the British and French had designed it to be back in the 60's and its airframe is not suitable for dogfitghting and for the sake of objectivity, even to the capability of the PAF Mirage V with the Rose upgrade etc. The question becomes it's BVR performance and how good that is. But even that, and PAF's F-16's Blck 52 can also deploy AIM-120's. I'm not sure if their A/B's have been upgraded to fire the AIM-120, or even their F-7's can fire the PL-12 or something close, but the Jag's role would most likely have escort for AA protection due to its primary role. I think you guys are covered simply by the count of the Su-30MKI and MiG-29K's and Mirage 2K's etc, So plenty to fill the A/A role besides the Jag. This is what impressed me about the IAF, quantity & quality but I don't underestimate the PAK, either.

Enemy radars that pick up the Jaguars would scramble fighters to intercept them.
To deal with these, the Jaguar will be fitted with the EL/M-2052 radar, supplied by Israeli company, Elta. This “active electronically scanned array" radar allows pilots to simultaneously track enemy fighters, guide missiles towards them, while also jamming enemy communications and radar. While the Jaguar is primarily a strike fighter, its new AESA radar, coupled with a good air-to-air missile, would provide it a formidable capability against attacking enemy fighters.

IAF will never let go any jet on individual flights. They always fight in groups like predators

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Wiki lists the active count @ 145 units, is the number that high? That's a lot if true.

Last I read, the IAF had 130 Single Seat Jaguars and 30 Trainers.
And you are completely right in that the Jaguar will have escorts. But the addition of the AIM 132 ASRAAM and the ELTA EL/M 2052 FCR will play major roles in helping the pilot keep safe, if the escorts are taken out.

And in the IAF no other fighter does reliable low level attacks like the Jaguar does although the MiG 27 is more sound for this role due to the Titanium Tub for the cockpit and the beastly GSh-6-30

But the supply of spares is low-to-nil so more responsibilities for the Jaguar.

Here is one of my favourite videos on the Jaguar (Maritime Strike Variant) in the IAF:

You can see very low altitude flying by these aircraft(15 meters above surface) in the video too.

In the Indo-Pak scenario, the major Strike Corps of the Army (II Corps/Kharga Corps, based in Ambala) depends on these very Jaguars(Also based in Air Force Base-Ambala) to support their thrust.

 

[Gomig-21]

Last I read, the IAF had 130 Single Seat Jaguars and 30 Trainers.
And you are completely right in that the Jaguar will have escorts. But the addition of the AIM 132 ASRAAM and the ELTA EL/M 2052 FCR will play major roles in helping the pilot keep safe, if the escorts are taken out.

And in the IAF no other fighter does reliable low level attacks like the Jaguar does although the MiG 27 is more sound for this role due to the Titanium Tub for the cockpit and the beastly GSh-6-30

But the supply of spares is low-to-nil so more responsibilities for the Jaguar.

Here is one of my favourite videos on the Jaguar (Maritime Strike Variant) in the IAF:

You can see very low altitude flying by these aircraft(15 meters above surface) in the video too.

In the Indo-Pak scenario, the major Strike Corps of the Army (II Corps/Kharga Corps, based in Ambala) depends on these very Jaguars(Also based in Air Force Base-Ambala) to support their thrust.

Good stuff, Gondor. What a classic machine. With the Rafales coming and hopefully someday the FGFA will come to fruition and the IAF will be even more impressive. Add Tejas to the mix and wow.

 

[Hindustani78]

IAF officers jubilate after their passing out parade at the Air Force Technical College, Jalahalli in Bengaluru.

 

[Hindustani78]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...m-september/story-UE2nsTELPGkSq7ztdLOPBO.html

India’s first female combat aircraft pilots are likely to fly the supersonic Sukhoi-30 jets after they complete the last leg of their training in September, Indian Air Force officials told Hindustan Times.

The three women are currently training on British Hawk advanced jet trainers at an IAF facility at Kalaikunda in West Bengal. Bhawana Kanth, Mohana Singh and Avani Chaturvedi were commissioned as flying officers in the IAF last June.

“There are varied options but we are working on plans to assign the women fighter pilots to fly Su-30 fighter planes initially. It’s a new generation, twin-seater aircraft,” a senior officer familiar with the plan said.

The women volunteered for the fighter stream after the government ended a rigid gender-based combat exclusion policy in October 2015.

The women are part of a batch of 40 flying officers training on Hawks at the Kalaikunda air force station. The batch was supposed to be assigned to fighter squadrons in June itself but the plan has been delayed by three months due to training backlog and weather-related issues. Such delays are not unusual.

Former IAF chief Arup Raha, during whose tenure the fighter stream was thrown open to women, endorsed the plan to let the women begin with flying Su-30 fighter jets. “I would prefer that the women go to a Su-30 squadron. It’s one of the most modern fighters in the IAF fleet and we also have the jets in large numbers. It’s a frontline plane and the women will learn to handle the systems faster,” Air Chief Marshal Raha (retd) told HT.

He headed the IAF for three years before retiring on December 31, 2016.

The IAF has contracted 272 Su-30 MKI fighter planes, out of which nearly 240 have been delivered. The remaining are likely to be inducted over the next three years.

The women fighter pilots could be stationed together considering there are only three of them in the IAF. “In the initial stages, the pressure could be high. It’s good to have company. They can learn from each other,” Raha added.

IAF sources said the performance of the women during their training matched that of their male colleagues. However, no female trainee has opted for the fighter stream after the three women.

The IAF has advised women trainees to put off motherhood for at least four years after they are commissioned as fighter pilots so that their flying schedule is not disrupted.

 

[RPK]

 

[Hindustani78]

Indian Air Force ground crew work on a BAE system HAWK MK 132 advance jet trainer aircraft at the Bidar Air Force station in Karnataka State.

The aircraft is capable of carrying 3000 kilograms of weapons consisting of air-to-air missiles; air-to-surface missiles; air-to-surface rocket and bombs.

 

[Windjammer]

Oh! Really.
I just wondered why this stupid sucking kid didn't know that 200+ Su-30MKI are manufactured by HAL , Almost all jaguars are manufactured by HAL. Hawk trainer is also manufactured at HAL Whereas we have many Indigenous platforms in services.

SU-30, Grounded at least four times in IAF service, despite tall claims of being manufactured in India, it's only some 65% operational due to lack of spare parts....no such issues with JF-17.
Jaguars....IAF has managed to crash 56 examples without once firing in anger.
Hawk....you might be building it under licence but still having to import the PC-7 which first flew in 1966.

PAF , I may call it as Paglet/Prank Air Force, which flies ancient jets and also using a junk Fighter 17 which is rejected by the developer's air force I.e. PLAAF. In 1990's they developed a jet FC-1 but Air Force called it as junk hence rejected. 2 JF-17'S are already crashed along with their pilots = 100% pilot killing ratio.

There are plenty of ideal names for your Agni Pankh (A Russian General once referred to the IAF as Cow in the Cockpits)...any how, the JF-17 since it's induction has participated and flown in Parades unlike the Tejas which until this year was dragged on a trailer, more over, the JF-17 has been flown out to international airshows in UK, Turkey, China, Dubai, Paris, Oman and Saudi Arab, do you have the confidence for your Tejas to be flown out to these destinations...more over the JF-17s have clocked some 40000 sorties, we may have lost a couple of examples of this single engine jet but hell you have managed to crash even a four engine C-130 in an inverted position which still baffles folks at Lockeed.

Now come to mushshak, Swedish developed Safari renamed as MFI-17 by some chunks. It should be shameful. Still Saab manufactured Safari were more potent and have quite good flight hours but PAC manufactured so called mushshak are crashed now a days. More than 10 trainers were crashed so far.

Yup, shameful indeed when you start christening others projects as , Shamsher, Bahadur, Vajra Baaz, etc... but then it's Indians psyche to adopt Western names.
As for the crashes, well, if they don't fly, they don't die, it's probably the most numerous aircraft in use in Pakistan and exported to at least 10 countries around the globe....now compare that with another Indian achievement HAL HPT-32, that was cause of a mutiny in the IAF.

I still don't know, why monkeys loves to CHEST THUMPING for others properties. I'll try to get answers from forest explorers.

I have a video from PAKISTAN's news channel, which may show the actual status of Prank Air Force.
NOTE: BLINDS WILL NIT BE ABLE TO VIEW THESE FACTS, SO KEEP AWAY

Since you like calling others names, well, here's a case of Monkey sees Monkey does.

 

[GURU DUTT]

SU-30, Grounded at least four times in IAF service, despite tall claims of being manufactured in India, it's only some 65% operational due to lack of spare parts....no such issues with JF-17.
Jaguars....IAF has managed to crash 56 examples without once firing in anger.
Hawk....you might be building it under licence but still having to import the PC-7 which first flew in 1966.

There are plenty of ideal names for your Agni Pankh (A Russian General once referred to the IAF as Cow in the Cockpits)...any how, the JF-17 since it's induction has participated and flown in Parades unlike the Tejas which until this year was dragged on a trailer, more over, the JF-17 has been flown out to international airshows in UK, Turkey, China, Dubai, Paris, Oman and Saudi Arab, do you have the confidence for your Tejas to be flown out to these destinations...more over the JF-17s have clocked some 40000 sorties, we may have lost a couple of examples of this single engine jet but hell you have managed to crash even a four engine C-130 in an inverted position which still baffles folks at Lockeed.

Yup, shameful indeed when you start christening others projects as , Shamsher, Bahadur, Vajra Baaz, etc... but then it's Indians psyche to adopt Western names.
As for the crashes, well, if they don't fly, they don't die, it's probably the most numerous aircraft in use in Pakistan and exported to at least 10 countries around the globe....now compare that with another Indian achievement HAL HPT-32, that was cause of a mutiny in the IAF.

Since you like calling others names, well, here's a case of Monkey sees Monkey does.

well well well jammer bhaiyye forget everything point still is we right now have filght ready avilibilty rate of 65% and have 250 MKIs as of now that means 163 meaning almost 9 full quads always ready to attack 24X7 backed by 63 upgraded Mig29 & 54 upgraded M2K V 5s backed by 125 upgraded Darin 3 jaguars with 125 bisons and 3 Phalcons and 3 DRDO AWACS so its not just MKOs that will be a problem or come as fisrt strike and its not that only you have PGMs, LGBs glide bombs or SDBs or so called anty radiation missiles ... think of what we have here cause when it starts your PAF knows they wont even know what hit them thats why both PLAAF & PAF do not want to push the panik button no matter what happens ... dont trut me ask any one up there in decission making athourity irrespective off what they say in publik for the publik cinsumption jammer bhiyye

 

[Windjammer]

well well well jammer bhaiyye forget everything point still is we right now have filght ready avilibilty rate of 65% and have 250 MKIs as of now that means 163 meaning almost 9 full quads always ready to attack 24X7 backed by 63 upgraded Mig29 & 54 upgraded M2K V 5s backed by 125 upgraded Darin 3 jaguars with 125 bisons and 3 Phalcons and 3 DRDO AWACS so its not just MKOs that will be a problem or come as fisrt strike and its not that only you have PGMs, LGBs glide bombs or SDBs or so called anty radiation missiles ... think of what we have here cause when it starts your PAF knows they wont even know what hit them thats why both PLAAF & PAF do not want to push the panik button no matter what happens ... dont trut me ask any one up there in decission making athourity irrespective off what they say in publik for the publik cinsumption jammer bhiyye

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Lambi chouri baat choro Guru bahi, the fact is...
Every day your netas and war lord give statements to please Indians, we can fight Pakistan, we can fight China, we can fight both at once....then what happens in the air near LOC, that is not disclosed to the public.
Your media and armed forces are hand in glove, aap key media ki tara, aub aap key warlords bi TRP rating kamaney lag gayee....kabi Chinese ya American Generals ney asey teer hawa mein chorey hain. ???
If the IAF was so capable, they wouldn't need to display their own wreckage to please Indian public....aub aap khud hi jan lou....koun kis ko bewqoof bana raha hey....

 

[GURU DUTT]

Lambi chouri baat choro Guru bahi, the fact is...
Every day your netas and war lord give statements to please Indians, we can fight Pakistan, we can fight China, we can fight both at once....then what happens in the air near LOC, that is not disclosed to the public.
Your media and armed forces are hand in glove, aap key media ki tara, aub aap key warlords bi TRP rating kamaney lag gayee....kabi Chinese ya American Generals ney asey teer hawa mein chorey hain. ???
If the IAF was so capable, they wouldn't need to display their own wreckage to please Indian public....aub aap khud hi jan lou....koun kis ko bewqoof bana raha hey....

well ulta chorr kotwal ko dantey

do we have any MOD guy briefing indian media like ISPR in pakistan and does indian media sings ISPR like pakistani media and does indian media gets plots and bunglows like pakistani media gets in defence enclaves in pakistan ... well come to india and do some research instead of saying as what is fed to you by your ISPR jammer bhiyye you live in scotland you at least yshuld be unbaised

now as for two front war we are preparing for it ever since 1964-65 and all our doctroine and engagemenst are based on it so do not worry as for chinese or americans well americans no matter what will always choose india over pakistan and chinese under no circumsatnces even if there investment in pakistan is at stake would not put there mainlands at risk by attacking india for pakistan ... period its common sense

now as for IAF and its capabilty well i cannot tell you what we are capable of but mushy sure wanted to neuke india way back in 1999 and it was not american but chinese who stopped him in doing so cause they knew all would be lost as they very well knew what was india capable of doing even then just forget what we are now and thats the main reason why even your Ummah biradraan and China does not want to unsettel good relations with india but its your top brass in GHQ whose ego cannot digest it but ask any british or US or russian or for that matter a chinese one general who know a little bit about neuclear warfare about where india stands right now and im sure you will not beleve what they will say

 

[X_Killer]

As I stated above why monkeys loves to CHEST THUMPING for others properties?

I don't know why stupids loves to put their leg in others properties (read as Thread).

As far as, military equipment manufacturing is concerned, we have enough knowledge and experience to crush others poisonous sights. We already proved our strength many times against our western neighbour.

Soon there will be begging bowl instead of moon and star.

CHEERS!

IAF at longewala , securing the Sovereignty

 

[Windjammer]

The irony is it's the SLUM DOGS, who no one cares about, run wild barking at anyone and every one... instead of making tall claims, one should first acquire the comprehension to focus on subject, else, Mukerian railyards, Pathankot, Kalaikunda are all burning issues for the nuisance in the East.
As for Star and crescent, well, So far it's the Tiranga which has the habit to crash and burned.