Indian air chief admits Pakistan's rule in 1965’s airspace

[silent poison]

I don't believe that PAF had superiority. You had very decent aircraft and that too in big numbers.

And I can also ask you questions for IAF bombing its own troops in Chamb sector or for being absent when PAF was shooting down CM Gujarat aircraft deep inside Indian territory. Nothing more embarrassing than this.



no you didn't. It was a stalemate.

Nothing to be proud on shooting down A civilian Aircraft !! Even your pilot said the same in his letter to Kin of People died in That crash .

Nur Khan claimed air superiority for PAF by the end of 6th Sept, the first proper day of air war itself. He went on to claim air supremacy by the end of 8th Sept.

Now explanation to your question about gujarat ; Actually after Op Desert Hawk failure in rann of kutch the defence of gujarat was way strong then the presence of PA on other side so , it never felt the need of continue Patrol and second the front in Jaipur has change priorities of IAF to defence of Jaipur at any cost .

During the anxious wait of several minutes, I was wishing and hoping that I would be called back immediately, without firing any bullets,” recalls Qais pensively. However, the stark orders from Badin were relayed by Kazmi: “You are clear to shoot"

Beechcraft pilot started "waggling his wings seeking mercy " but then we got ace PAF .

And in next few minute the basin radar saw more then 7 contacts moving towards your brave pilot who ran as soon as information was made available . Even though we now its war the IAF authority never given the clearence to aircraft but it was pressed for clearence by state government .

Chamb Jaurian sector is one of Biggest achievement of IAF the attack destroyed all the ammunition dump of PA resulting in ayub changing his commanders at end outnumbered IA defended akhnoor .

 

[airmarshal]

Where do we stand today?

Can we fight the way we fought in 1965?

Do we technological edge we had back in 1965?

Is our Air Force as motivated as it was under Nur Khan?

Do we have the right skills and training to fight a modern air combat?

I dont have answers but if a time comes, PAF will definitely prove its a superior fighting force.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

Would Indians please stop justifying themselves?

To this date they haven't understood .. Machine matters but the man behind it matters the most.

 

[Areesh]

Nothing to be proud on shooting down A civilian Aircraft !! Even your pilot said the same in his letter to Kin of People died in That crash .

Nur Khan claimed air superiority for PAF by the end of 6th Sept, the first proper day of air war itself. He went on to claim air supremacy by the end of 8th Sept.

Now explanation to your question about gujarat ; Actually after Op Desert Hawk failure in rann of kutch the defence of gujarat was way strong then the presence of PA on other side so , it never felt the need of continue Patrol and second the front in Jaipur has change priorities of IAF to defence of Jaipur at any cost .

During the anxious wait of several minutes, I was wishing and hoping that I would be called back immediately, without firing any bullets,” recalls Qais pensively. However, the stark orders from Badin were relayed by Kazmi: “You are clear to shoot"

Beechcraft pilot started "waggling his wings seeking mercy " but then we got ace PAF .

And in next few minute the basin radar saw more then 7 contacts moving towards your brave pilot who ran as soon as information was made available . Even though we now its war the IAF authority never given the clearence to aircraft but it was pressed for clearence by state government .

Chamb Jaurian sector is one of Biggest achievement of IAF the attack destroyed all the ammunition dump of PA resulting in ayub changing his commanders at end outnumbered IA defended akhnoor .

Never said I feel proud of shooting down civilian aircraft. Just gave it as an example to explain IAF's failure and defeat in 65 war.

As for Chamb Jaurian. There is nothing to be proud of when IAF started its campaign by bombing its 0own troops. And Pakistan successfully managed to keep the land till the end of war only to give it back in return for strategic Haji Pir pass that India managed to capture.

How you define beating
Is it like a declaration where one has to sign in saying we lost or do you think capturing 3 times the landmass of what your enemy did is a beating as well

3 times mass or 30 times land mass. We had enough Indian land to get back whatever we lost and that too after defending our cities and humiliating India in the aerial combats.

 

[nForce]

Where do we stand today?

Can we fight the way we fought in 1965?

Do we technological edge we had back in 1965?

Is our Air Force as motivated as it was under Nur Khan?

Do we have the right skills and training to fight a modern air combat?

I dont have answers but if a time comes, PAF will definitely prove its a superior fighting force.

No

Would Indians please stop justifying themselves?

To this date they haven't understood .. Machine matters but the man behind it matters the most.

Indians trying to justify what ?

 

[45'22']

Never said I feel proud of shooting down civilian aircraft. Just gave it as an example to explain IAF's failure and defeat in 65 war.

As for Chamb Jaurian. There is nothing to be proud of when IAF started its campaign by bombing its 0own troops. And Pakistan successfully managed to keep the land till the end of war only to give it back in return for strategic Haji Pir pass that India managed to capture.



3 times mass or 30 times land mass. We had enough Indian land to get back whatever we lost and that too after defending our cities and humiliating India in the aerial combats.

You sure did win some battles and had an upper hand in air as well but the war was won by India.......
You are taking this in rounds bcuz u know the truth, I am out of the thread

 

[Areesh]

You sure did win some battles and had an upper hand in air as well but the war was won by India.......
You are taking this in rounds bcuz u know the truth, I am out of the thread

Just saying something again and again won't win you a war. Good that you are out. You had nothing to share anyways.

 

[45'22']

Just saying something again and again won't win you a war. Good that you are out. You had nothing to share anyways.

I gave facts,numbers
You just want to believe it was a stalemate

 

[Areesh]

I gave facts,numbers
You just want to believe it was a stalemate

You gave nothing. You had nothing. you cannot give anything.

 

[45'22']

You gave nothing. You had nothing. you cannot give anything.

Again trying to go into rounds.....A blind guy after reading the numbers can say India won

 

[Areesh]

Again trying to go into rounds.....A blind guy after reading the numbers can say India won

Said I am out. Then comes back again and again. Funny u turns of someone who wants to take victory out of stalemates.

 

[45'22']

Said I am out. Then comes back again and again. Funny u turns of someone who wants to take victory out of stalemates.

Stop quoting me if don't have anything concrete to say
Saying this was a stalemate isn't going to make it one lol

 

[Areesh]

Stop quoting me if don't have anything concrete to say
Saying this was a stalemate isn't going to make it one lol

I would quote you till you spread bharat ratsh!t lies on defence.pk.

 

[45'22']

I would quote you till you spread bharat ratsh!t lies on defence.pk.

I m out lol

 

[Areesh]

I m out lol

Only to come back.