Indian air chief admits Pakistan's rule in 1965’s airspace

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Indian air chief admits Pak’s rule in 1965’s airspace

Indian Chief of Air Staff (CAS) Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha said on Thursday the Indian Air Force (IAF) is “imbibing lessons they learnt” from the 1965 Indo-Pak war and operations in last five decades.

Addressing students and war heroes at the felicitation ceremony of war heroes at La Martiniere College on Thursday, Raha said, “The 1965 conflict was forced up on India at a time of heaviest odds against the IAF. The force was then in the process of rebuilding itself to take on the new challenges.”

Raha elaborated that during that time, Pakistan had joined the SEATO and CENTO, also known as the Baghdad Pact and reaped benefits of this relationship with the Western world.

“The Americans gave them large number of weapon systems, and the PAF especially got large number of fighter and bomber aircraft like F-104 star fighter, F-86 Sabre and the Canberra bombers. They also acquired sophisticated air defence radars, got a lot of aid wears in size (which the fighters are armed with). Combined with these advanced fighters, bombers, missiles and air defence systems, PAF had an exceptional air force which was trained and equipped better and was extremely capable,” said Raha.

On the other hand, IAF had a large number of vintage fleets. “These aircraft had done well during their service and had become legacy of equipment like Vampires and Mysteres. Also, we didn’t have missiles which gave a definite edge to the PAF. But one thing that proved well during this conflict was that you may have good machines and equipment but what matters is the men behind machines and that’s why we have so many these war veterans who excelled during adversaries,” said Raha.

On the occasion, the air chief marshal recalled IAF’s contribution to thwart Pakistan Army’s armour thrust in Chhamb-Jaurian Sector in 1965 war which resulted in failure of operation Grand Slam aimed at cutting off J&K from India.

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[war&peace]

Although I shared this in another thread, but it seems more relevant here.

 

[Areesh]

Bullsh!t. We should not listen to any such cr@p by IAF chief or any other generals of India. We should only listen to what Akbar Zaidi said. Even though he is an economist and not a historian and has absolutely no background of military: Pak Libido Association

 

[silent poison]

I agree with Air chief ; IAF did best what it can do Provided cover to army Fighting in Lahore even with odds as explained above .. And bombed the hell out of Pakistani Armoured division in Kashmir .. Stoping them from destroying our two Important bridge my grandfather use to tell they can c Pakistani tanks from the bridge they were ask to defend .

IAF was God Power at that time if those two bridge were destroyed then Pakistani will be celebrating Kashmir Independece not Lahore defence today .

 

[SarthakGanguly]

It is an open secret that PAF fought well, on occasions better than the IAF. An Air Force alone does not win a war though.

The PAF was stronger than the IAF but their performance was not just as well in comparison.

 

[Areesh]

PAF also had superior aircraft. Yeah IAF also had Mig 21, GNAT and Hunters and that too in large numbers but lets forget about it and keep thinking that PAF had superior aircraft : IAF Fanboys

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The current generation cannot live on feel good past glory----.

 

[karan.1970]

The OP is factually correct, but dont see any admission of the kind mentioned in the Title. Imagination running wild ?

 

[NKVD]

PAF also had superior aircraft. Yeah IAF also had Mig 21, GNAT and Hunters and that too in large numbers but lets forget about it and keep thinking that PAF had superior aircraft : IAF Fanboys

none of IAF aircraft's had Missile firing capability like American Sarbe's in those times

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

Hi,

The current generation cannot live on feel good past glory----.

We cannot bury our past glory either.

 

[!eon]

We cannot bury our past glory either.

Agree, but we have to live in today's world.We haven't got any second option.
Now kindly compare IAF and PAF on 06.09.2015.

 

[MastanKhan]

none of IAF aircraft's had Missile firing capability like American Sarbe's in those times

That was in 1965

 

[GURU DUTT]

That was in 1965

exactli saeen ji PAF sure had air superiorty in 1965 but did PAF capitalised on it and won kashmir with that capability , were PAF able to hold kargil , drass and other sectors in J&K and rann of katchh

but then again no harm in beating your own drum

 

[silent poison]

PAF also had superior aircraft. Yeah IAF also had Mig 21, GNAT and Hunters and that too in large numbers but lets forget about it and keep thinking that PAF had superior aircraft : IAF Fanboys

Mig-21 did not have operation clearence during 1965 war .

On the eve of 1965 war, IAF had 466 combat aircraft against 203 of the PAF. PAF had 16 aircraft in East Pakistan and the rest in West. Against this IAF had deployed 176 aircraft in the East to take care of the Chinese and East Pakistani threat. Thus, IAF had 290 aircraft facing West Pakistan. Numerically this gave IAF a superiority of 1.4:1 against PAF in the West and 11:1 in the East.


Now thing is IAF fighter from Gnat to Mig are night blind .. Gnat was half night blind !!

Indian troops of 3 Cavalry and 4 Div did not come under any air attack. If PAF had achieved air supremacy as claimed, it could have decimated Indian Army’s opposition to its major armour thrust – which some claimed was to isolate Amritsar by capturing Beas Bridges. Pak lost 108 tanks here, quite a few in working condition. Nevertheless, Nur Khan claimed air supremacy over Pak air space, even though it was the IAF which attacked Pak armour and its supplies. IAF fighters continued to operate over Pak territory and air space that can be well understood by Indian armoured and infantry division at outskirts of Lahore if PAF was under air superiority it would have destroyed IA In Lahore and overrun akhnoor which never happens .

 

[Windjammer]

On September 5, the IAF will launch a year-long commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the 1965 India-Pakistan war, culminating in September 2015, the actual anniversary. There are at least three reasons to stop this self-congratulatory nonsense. First, as the centenary ofWorld War I has illustrated, countries have fought terrible wars without feeling the need for a year-long commemoration. Second, by every independent account the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) convincingly got the better of the IAF. Old-timer pilots frankly confess that 1965 was a learning experience, not a victory. Third, and importantly for military history aficionados, no fighting happened on September 5. Why is the IAF commemorating this day?

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