India: World's Largest Mobocracy

[Chhatrapati]

Stupid, no one vanished. Both IVC (who form the primary source of all South Asian population - link) and Aryans left a lasting genetic, linguistic and cultural legacy. Brahmins are simply a people who carry high percentage of paternal Aryan ancestry, that doesn't mean they are the same as ancient migrating Aryas - they no longer exists as a unique people.

It's a rhetorical question. smh some people.

 

[xeuss]

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Your one liners and cherry picking is good enough to fool common sheep with 1 liners or less LOL . But you have still seemed not to understand the context of all the research papers circulating around that are relevant to study . Everythings is interconnected .

The time period of the most common recent ancestor is not 4000 years old . Its 15000 years old as evident from Leucotte G and other studies. Your reichs and narisnhman have chosen to represent the hypothetical Ancient Ancestral South Asians (AASI) by the modern Onge tribe’s genome. The tribe lives in the Andaman Islands today, and are genetically related to the Papua New Guinea tribal peoples from the days of antiquity.


Surprisingly, they hypothesise that there were people having an identical genomic constitution as the modern Onge but were living in India until the Iranians and the Steppe people arrived in India. These hypothetical Indians have been labelled as the AASI in the paper. These people supposedly admixed with the Iranian and mid-to-late Bronze Age (BA) Steppe genetic groups to produce the modern Indian population, They “conclude”.


In their hypothesis, the admixture of the Onge-genome with the Iranians gave rise to the South Indians (Dravidian) population; and the admixture of this with the Middle-to-late-Bronze Age (MLBA) Steppe poppulation . It is useful here to recollect what Thangaraj wrote about the Onge: “Our data indicate that the two ancient maternal lineages, M31 and M32 in the Onge and the Great Andamanese, have evolved in the Andaman Islands independently from other South and Southeast Asian populations.


These lineages have been shown to be isolated since the initial penetration of the northern coastal areas of the Indian Ocean by anatomically modern humans, in their out-of-Africa migration 50 to 70 thousand years ago.” (Thangaraj et al, 2005, Reconstructing the Origin of Andaman Islanders, Science, 308 (5724): 996)


Thangaraj also noted that over that period of time the genetic composition of the populations of the Andaman-Onge and Indian-Mainland population drifted from each other due to changes taking place in the two independently. They note: “Analysis of the complete mtDNA sequences shows that none of the coding region mutations defining these two haplogroups overlaps with the known Indian or East Asian mtDNA haplogroups. In our survey of 6500 mtDNA sequences from mainland India, none of the M lineages carried the coding region mutations specific to M31 and M32 (6).” (Thangaraj 2005). Thus, we can see that genetically the Onge had deviated / separated and have evolved independently from mainland India over the last 50,000 years, or more, of the separation.


Thus, considering Onge as the Indian population at the onset of Neolithic discredits the entire work, and has completely vitiated all the conclusions.

You will have to debunk and refute all the reichs shit posted by our bois and even in the comment section of reichs paper. You are delusional and claim as sole authority of everything despite the fact of your absoultely zero contribution in the research study LOL. (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/292581v1) Its full of nightmare fuel .


https://aryaninvasionmyth.wordpress.com/ < Same group Dr. neeraj rai ji and many others from ccmb hyderabad who even released the LATEST Rakhigari 2019 one .

A preliminary critical appraisal of Narasimhan et al 2018 bioRxiv

by Premendra Priyadarshi (published on 29 April 2018)

therationalhindu.com

Point by Point debunk to every shitty adulteration . Genetics is nevar a one liner response . Qayamat tak ka time h refute get it published LOL .








Let me again repost for you the definition of the word AASI used in the quoted paragraph of reichs paper : “Ancient Ancestral South Indian (AASI)-related is a hypothesized South Asian Hunter-Gatherer lineage related deeply to present-day indigenous Andaman Islanders” . This means that the Indians (both North and South) had a hunter-gatherer population whose ancestry was exactly the same as the present day Andaman islanders before 8th millennium BC, the time of the dawn of Neolithic in India.

It also by implication means that Andaman Islanders and the Hunter-Gatherer Ancient Indians had not diverged genetically or evolved at all in spite of having been separated genetically and spatially for 30,000 to 60,000 years.Another important thing to understand here is that this new name AASI means the same thing as the ASI coined by Reich (2010). In other words, Narasimhan assumes that the Andaman Islanders like people (ASI) had occupied the whole of India, and were not restricted to South India, and hence they have been given a new name AASI replacing the older name ASI.However, this assumption cannot be supported on the basis of received information so far.Now from the data supplied by the Narasimhan article as well as earlier articles by various authors that the Y-DNA haplogroup of the Andaman Islanders had stayed the same–the oldest Asian ones — D1 and C2.
On the other hand, people who had stayed in the mainland India had developed newer haplogroups like F*, C5, H1, etc. in their Y-DNA profile, and these newer Y-DNAs have largely replaced the oldest lineages D1 and C2 in the mainland India by this time. Hence, the identification of the pre-Neolithic Indians by modern Andaman Islanders gene is essentially flawed.


Also reichs paper says
“Third, between 3100–2200 BCE we observe an outlier at the BMAC site of Gonur, as well as two outliers from the eastern Iranian site of Shahr-i-Sokhta, all with an ancestry profile similar to 41 ancient individuals from northern Pakistan who lived approximately a millennium later in the isolated Swat region of the northern Indus Valley (1200–800 BCE). These individuals had between 14–42% of their ancestry related to the AASI and the rest related to early Iranian agriculturalists and West_Siberian_HG. Like contemporary and earlier samples from Iran/Turan we find no evidence of Steppe-pastoralist-related ancestry in these samples. In contrast to all other Iran/Turan samples, we find that these individuals also had negligible Anatolian agriculturalist-related admixture, suggesting that they might be migrants from a population further east along the cline of decreasing Anatolian agriculturalist ancestry.” (Narasimhan 2018 bioRxiv: page 9 lines 276 to 285).

This paragraph provides us with two crucial pieces of information:

1. The Gonur and Shahr-i-Sokhta samples dated from 3100 BC to 2200 BC had no evidence of the Steppe-pastoralist-related ancestry in them.
2. These Gonur and Shahr-i-Sokhta people had the same ancestry profile as the 41 ancient individuals from northern Pakistan living between 1200 BC and 800 BC.

Now we should examine another statement regarding the GSP population: “These individuals had between 14–42% of their ancestry related to the AASI and the rest related to early Iranian agriculturalists and West_Siberian_HG.” (lines 279 to 281).


This statement at least confirms that the early Iranian agriculturists were genetically related to the GPS (Bronze Age Gonur, Shahr-i-Sokhta, North Pakistan) people. Although Narasimhan et al assume that the Zagros Iranian agriculturists (ZIA) were ancestral to the GPS, there is another possibility that the GPS and ZIA had descended from a common ancestor who was located more likely in the present day Pakistan than in the Zagros.


The latter possibility is supported by stouter evidence. It has been noted that there was a genetic discontinuity — a break in the cline — between the Zagros people and the Anatolian farmers of the 7th millennium BC (Lazaridis 2016; Broushaki 2016). Such break is produced always by either a new arrival of a population or an insurmountabe barrier, temporally and/or geographically, between two adjacent populations.


Broushaki had studied the Wezmeh sample from another Zagros cave. Broushaki also noted, “We sequenced Early Neolithic genomes from the Zagros region of Iran (eastern Fertile Crescent), where some of the earliest evidence for farming is found, and identify a previously uncharacterized population that is neither ancestral to the first European farmers nor has contributed significantly to the ancestry of modern Europeans. These people are estimated to have separated from Early Neolithic farmers in Anatolia some 46–77,000 years ago and show affinities to modern day Pakistani and Afghan populations, but particularly to Iranian Zoroastrians.” Thus, the Wezmeh DNA seems to be a part of a wider Indo-Iranian ancient pool, having the maximum concentration in Pakistan as in this picture.”




The above figure (in the link) is from Broushaki et al, Early Neolithic genomes from the eastern Fertile Crescent, Science 14 Jul 2016, DOI: 10.1126/science.aaf7943


This effectively proves the arrival of the Neolithic Zagros farmers from the Northwestern Indian Neolithic and the continuation of the same people in Pakistan/Northwest India since the early Neolithic days.

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So you choose history ?
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Sanghis once again peddling their WhatsApp forwards

 

[peagle]

No, I don't have multiple IDs. I just come here very rarely when I want to rub salt on the wounds of Islamists and Liberals.I came here on 5th August when there was Bhoomi poojan of Ram Mandir. I have come again today because of favourable verdict.

I would always come here when Islamist and Liberal @$$es are on fire. It is just my way to enjoy the moment.

I have your back bro,
Keep coming back,
Keep watching,
Keep laughing,
And watch as your country slowly gets destroyed, ignorance is bliss.

Bharat Mata ki..............

 

[peagle]

Basically anything remotely resembling a phallus forms the basis of this "history"

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Your picture at the start of your post is nice. Not sure what Anatolia and Iran have to do with the gangetic plains, apart from what was passed on via the IVC though.

Keep hold of the major point of Hindustani butthurt throughout this - the well demonstrated assertion that the IVC is the main contributor to subcontinental DNA, which itself is partly contributed to by iranic pastoralists. I'm not going to keep repeating myself on AASI, ASI and ANI, since you choose to deny this paradigm , but that is the basis of the most likely, most plausible and most realistic model for the ethnolinguistic and genetic distributions in the North-South gradient within your precious nation. The gangetic bushmen whom you pretend held the key to Hinduism in fact were recipients of ancient wisdom and genetic material from the advanced IVC firstly, then the Steppe warriors, then others. Your fundamental error is equating the IVC to the peoples east and south of them. Their constituents are different and until they admixed, their destinies were different. Pakistan's ancestors were IVC Hindus and animists without the casteism and slavery systematically induced into their society, hence it is entirely natural that Pakistan lays claim to this heritage, particularly in view of its contrast to hindutva ancestry.

To put it another way, IVC was a great empire of pastoralists. Your "enlightenment" came when horse riding white warriors enslaved you peacefully. Vedic scriptures themselves document the immediate rivalries that formed between the original animists and Hindus of the IVC and your corrupted precursors to the east. Harappans had no interest in animal sacrifices and an abusive caste dysfunctionality like rigvedic Hindustan. Harrapans ate beef. That Hindustan claims cultural derivation from the IVC is laughable. In actual fact, these original beliefs were regarded as heresy by the new aryan-driven system of enslavement. Naturally, a variant belief structure was a direct threat to the Aryan monopoly on power in brahminist culture. As has been explained already, the relative proportions of DNA within different castes (never mind the skin tone variations) tell the story effortlessly.

That you wish to ignore that story is your own loss, nobody else's.

time period of the most common recent ancestor is not 4000 years old . Its 15000 years old as evident

A meaningless and unqualified conclusion.
You added this:

"Your reichs and narisnhman have chosen to represent the hypotheticalAncient Ancestral South Asians (AASI) by the modern Onge tribe’s genome. The tribe lives in the Andaman Islands today, and are genetically related to the Papua New Guinea tribal peoples from the days of antiquity."

BulL shitt! Nobody is saying Andaman islanders are interchangeable with AASI. Here is what AASI is:

From brown pundits blog:

"It is deeply but distantly related to branches of humanity which dominate Melanesia and eastern Eurasia, up into Siberia. The magnitude of the distance probably dates to ~50 thousand years ago, when the dominant element of modern humans expanded outward from West Asia, east, north, and west. These people are called “Ancient Ancestral South Indians,” or AASI. Their closest relatives today may be the natives of the Andaman Islands, but this is a very distant relationship."

And, here is what Reich's team actually said:

"We also obtained additional evidence for a late (Bronze Age) formation of the ASI by building an admixture graph using qpGraph, co-modelingPalliyar and Juang (an Austroasiatic-speaking group in India with low West Eurasian-relatedness) (Fig. 5). The graph fits the component of South Asian ancestry with no West Eurasian relatedness (AASI -“Ancestral Ancient South Asians”) as an Asian lineage that split off around the time that East Asian, Andaman Islander, and Australian aboriginal ancestors separated from each other, consistent with the hypothesis that eastern and southern Asian lineages derives from an eastward spread that in a short span gave rise to lineages leading toAASI, East Asians, Andamanese Hunter Gatherers, and Australians (55) (Fig. 5). The Juang cannot be fit through a mixture of ASI ancestry and ancestry related to Austroasiatic language speakers, and instead can only be fit by modeling additional ancestry from AASI, showing that at the time Austroasiatic groups formed in South Asia, groups with less Iranian farming-related ancestry than in the ASI were also present. Austroasiatic languages are hypothesized to have spread into South Asia in the 3rd millennium BCE (based on hill cultivation systems hypothesized to be associated with the spread of Austroasiatic languages (42), and thus the ancestry profile of the Juang provides an independent line of evidence for a late (Bronze Age and plausibly post-IVC) formation of the ASI."

The Formation of Human Populations in South and Central Asia

By sequencing 523 ancient humans, we show that the primary source of ancestry in modern South Asians is a prehistoric genetic gradient between people related to early hunter-gatherers of Iran and southeast Asia. Following the Indus Valley Civilization’s ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

He has not inferred that AASI = Andaman islanders. He has used them as a proxy to demonstrate the relative DISTANCE in genetic terms between your tribal ancestors and the IVC. Multiple mainland Indian groups who can safely be regarded as aboriginal or AASI descendants are LESS connected with the IVC than with the Andaman islanders.

This is evident to everyone who casts an eye on Indian populations without even knowing the genetic bases. It is evident that the IVC (Pakistan's heritage) was genetically and culturally distinct from the most original AASI. At the same time, admixture obviously occurred peacefully between these groups.

Really, you need to firstly stop misrepresenting others and their work. Once you've shown a degree of intellectual honesty, perhaps then you will be taken seriously. Instead, you choose to demonstrate the butthurt caused to you with your childish misrepresentations.

Here are the key reasons you remain butthurt and hence try to force a false narrative onto the casual reader.

1) You must "prove" by hook or by crook IVC is "Indian" (I.e. the intellectual property of the BJP) and an origin point for "hindutva". The truth:. There was NO INDIA back then. There was an IVC, which in itself was not exclusively subcontinental but was a composite of iranic and subcontinent influences and genetics. Additional truth thatq hurts: IVC is Pakistani heritage.

2) You must prove that Steppe landers didn't contribute in any way aggressively or through any form of racial/social/societal subjugation of gangetics or other natives. The truth: you cannot prove such nonsense because we know they came into India and we also know that it is more probable than not that they imparted genetic , religious and linguistic legacy forcibly upon the lesser natives throughout the subcontinent. They affected both the advanced IVC and the easterly/southerly groups in this way. However, the IVC "recovered" to an extent in terms of genetic legacy at least. Unfortunately, ancient animist beliefs have been changed irreversibly by the ANI groups into a rigid caste doctrine, evidenced by relative Aryan genetic contributions seen in different caste groups in hindustan that you decline to accept. Aryan genetic influence need not necessarily have entered north India at a single precise juncture for all the above to still be viable and true. You conveniently distort actual scientific findings which coalesce neatly with the above proposal in order to portray a false divergence between the science and the observation.

Unfortunately, your intellectual dishonesty is evident in your stubborn insistence on your own narrative. Confirmation bias at its worst.

 

[rngsama]

Your picture at the start of your post is nice. Not sure what Anatolia and Iran have to do with the gangetic plains, apart from what was passed on via the IVC though.

Keep hold of the major point of Hindustani butthurt throughout this - the well demonstrated assertion that the IVC is the main contributor to subcontinental DNA, which itself is partly contributed to by iranic pastoralists. I'm not going to keep repeating myself on AASI, ASI and ANI, since you choose to deny this paradigm , but that is the basis of the most likely, most plausible and most realistic model for the ethnolinguistic and genetic distributions in the North-South gradient within your precious nation. The gangetic bushmen whom you pretend held the key to Hinduism in fact were recipients of ancient wisdom and genetic material from the advanced IVC firstly, then the Steppe warriors, then others. Your fundamental error is equating the IVC to the peoples east and south of them. Their constituents are different and until they admixed, their destinies were different. Pakistan's ancestors were IVC Hindus and animists without the casteism and slavery systematically induced into their society, hence it is entirely natural that Pakistan lays claim to this heritage, particularly in view of its contrast to hindutva ancestry.


The Formation of Human Populations in South and Central Asia
He has not inferred that AASI = Andaman islanders. He has used them as a proxy to demonstrate the relative DISTANCE in genetic terms between your tribal ancestors and the IVC.
Multiple mainland Indian groups who can safely be regarded as aboriginal or AASI descendants are LESS connected with the IVC than with the Andaman islanders.
This is evident to everyone who casts an eye on Indian populations without even knowing the genetic bases. It is evident that the IVC (Pakistan's heritage)
was genetically and culturally distinct from the most original AASI. At the same time, admixture obviously occurred peacefully between these groups.
Really, you need to firstly stop misrepresenting others and their work. Once you've shown a degree of intellectual honesty, perhaps then you will be taken seriously.
Instead, you choose to demonstrate the butthurt caused to you with your childish misrepresentations.

Why the hell are you posting same thing ovar and ovar. Since the data is skewed this observations will be garbage too .

Why your study dont mention anything from other researchers as well ??? For example

“…both Africans and Asians contributed to the settlement of Europe, which began about 40,000 years ago." (Cavalli-Sforza 1997: 7720)


reichs problem was that he failed to reconcile himself with the fact that there was no other route of Out of Africa than the coastal Arabian route to India, and thereafter expansion and migrations took off from here. He continued to harbour the concept of the second route to Europe and Central Asia through Egypt and Sinai to West Asia and then beyond. This created distortions in all the interpretations done by himself or the group of his follower scholars. In light of the ancient DNA findings, and also some robust extant DNA studies, it is desirable that ‘Reich et al 2009’ should be re-explained in more simple English once again so that people may wash their prejudiced views.Reich et al (2009) nowhere said that there was any flow of west Eurasian (European) gene into South Asia. To quote their own words, “These results do not mean that the Indian groups descend from mixtures of European and Austro-Asiatic speakers, but only that they derive from at least two different groups that are (distantly) related to CEU and Santhal.” (p. 4 pdf, col 1).Relatedness does not at all imply gene flow from CEU (Europe) to India,
however it means a common ancestor for both north ancestral Indians and CEU. This common ancestor had existed after split from the African main trunk,
and after the Ancestral South Indians too had been split. Reich et al depict this situation by means of a figure (Fig. 4 of Reich et al).
The figure of migration which Reich et al produced can be seen at the link below:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842210/figure/F4/

Figures for family tree can be constructed from the text itself actually. Reich et al write, “the tree (YRI,((CEU,ANI),(ASI, Onge)))provides an excellent fit to the data”. This gives us a family tree for five populations viz. 1. YRI (West African), 2. CEU (Modern Europeans),
3. ANI (Ancestral North Indians),
4. ASI (Ancestral South Indians) and 5. Onge (a Modern Andamanese tribe)—if drawn graphically would be like this:

The top inset from Stephen Oppenheimer’s The Journey of Mankind,
Bradshaw Foundation has been added as a ready-reminder to African-Eurasian split and relationship.
Source: http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

This is clarified further in the text of Reich et al: “the fact that different Indian groups have inherited different proportions of ancestry from the ‘Ancestral North Indians’ (ANI) who are related to western Eurasians, and the ‘Ancestral South Indians’ (ASI).”
Here we note that, in spite of the fact that ANI were related to Western Eurasians (Europeans) in remote antiquity, the current Indian populations (both north and south Indian) derive from admixture of ANI and ASI, and not by admixture from any third population. It is the Ancient Europeans which derived from Ancestral North Indians.The family-tree (Fig 4 of Reich) is good. Yet it does not take into account the dates and places.It should be noted that ANI and ASI are past populations, and hence need to be placed nearer the source than the YRI (Africa),CEU (Europe, Central Asia, West Asia) and Onge (Andaman) populations, which are contemporary living populations. Therefore the picture needs to be corrected, to adjust placing for time. Then the picture would look like this:

However we know, that the stem of the non-African limb of the graphic was located in South Asia. Hence the real picture would be like this:

However, this model ignores the fact that many other populations than the CEU and Ongan had been derived from ANI and ASI.Hence the picture needs to be modified further to accommodate modern north Indian and South Indian populations:

This picture is consistent with both the important conclusions of the Reich’s article:

“These results do not mean that the Indian groups descend from mixtures of European and Austro-Asiatic speakers, but only that they derive from at least two different groups that are (distantly) related to CEU and Santhal.” (Riech et al, p. 4, column 1). This rules out any admixture of Europeans and Austro-Asiatics.

“Applying our model-fitting procedure, we find that the tree (YRI,((CEU,ANI),(ASI, Onge))) provides an excellent fit to the data from Indian groups.”
the tree (YRI,((CEU,ANI),(ASI, Onge))) provides an excellent fit to the data” (, p. 4, col 1).


Hence a full synthetic figure would be like this:

At the end it is useful to add that often statements by great authors are best not forgotten.
Western Eurasia was formed of populations migrating from Asia and during recent Neolithic times from Africa. Hence if plotted, European genes cannot form any cline towards Asia or Africa, while African and Asian genes will always show clinal pattern of expansion into Europe.
The seminal words of Cavalli-Sforza remain valid even today, “…both Africans and Asians contributed to the settlement of Europe, which began about 40,000 years ago.It seems very reasonable to assume that both continents nearest to Europe contributed to its settlement, even if perhaps at different times and maybe repeatedly. It is reassuring that the analysis of other markers also consistently gives the same results in this case. Moreover, a specific evolutionary model tested, i.e., that Europe is formed by contributions from Asia and Africa, fits the distance matrix perfectly (6). In this simplified model, the migrations postulated to have populated Europe are estimated to have occurred at an early date (30,000 years ago), but it is impossible to distinguish, on the basis of these data, this model from that of several
migrations at different times. The overall contributions from Asia and Africa were estimated to be around two-thirds and one-third, respectively”. (Cavalli-Sforza 1997:7720).



Refute this and the arguments in the pdf file I am attaching . Then get those refutations posted by genetic experts of pak def forum in cell and then we shall see . And if you dare to add any retardation as aryans invaded and bought vedas enslaved and shit . It will be always rejected as reichs only speculated in his paper that steppe might have bought sanskrit through immigration . But this retardation was already debunked by Klejn and our "50percent hindu contributors the largest group in those papers even in the
2019 cell paper OUR HINDUS GENETICISTS " will decide every fucking thing and they have decided
and declared the continuity of 10000 years old indigenous civilization is established and that Vedas Sanskrit is indigenous to subcontinent India .

A meaningless and unqualified conclusion.
You added this:

"Your reichs and narisnhman have chosen to represent the hypotheticalAncient Ancestral South Asians (AASI) by the modern Onge tribe’s genome. The tribe lives in the Andaman Islands today, and are genetically related to the Papua New Guinea tribal peoples from the days of antiquity."

BulL shitt! Nobody is saying Andaman islanders are interchangeable with AASI. Here is what AASI is:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/292581v1.full


LOL you dumb prick I even showed you the link . I am posting it last time if you still want to be delusional cant help it . Also check the comment section thats still full of nightmare fuel for you .

1) You must "prove" by hook or by crook IVC is "Indian" (I.e. the intellectual property of the BJP) and an origin point for "hindutva". The truth:. There was NO INDIA back then. There was an IVC, which in itself was not exclusively subcontinental but was a composite of iranic and subcontinent influences and genetics. Additional truth thatq hurts: IVC is Pakistani heritage.

>IVC revolved around SARASWATI . SHE IS OUR MOTHER not yours . Pakis can certainly not claim IVC as of ancient pakistanis LMAO . Your islam came in 7th AD.
You are a new fag and and pakistan is only 70 years old . Indus Valley people were idol worshippers . They used to worship gods very similar to Rig vedic era .In archaeological excavations , various seals of Pashupati( similar to Lord Shiva) was found .They also used to worship the goddess of Fertility as well.
Bull was their sacred animal .Nowhere near islamic practices and no bomb blasts ofcourse or behedings in quest of 72 virgins in some giant magickal sky brothel. India didnt exist prior 1947 but we are continuity of 10000 years old civilization with "Na tasya pratima asti but also ekam sat vipra bahuda vadanti" which translates to "Hes got no idols but The Absolute Truth / Brahman/ Ishwara is one but wise men know it by many various names . Therefore you see in hinduism thar are different school of thoughts about knowledge both theist and athiest and agnostic yet incredible harmony . We have survived and endured all invasions after 7th AD.

Pakis are the people who bowed down to all those invasions in that happened after 7th ad .For the vast majority of its 10,000 year history,modern India was ruled by foreign powers for barely 500 years.whereas you was invaded and conquered by everyone who passed by and you got detached from your own dharmic roots .

2) You must prove that Steppe landers didn't contribute in any way aggressively or through any form of racial/social/societal subjugation of gangetics or other natives. The truth: you cannot prove such nonsense because we know they came into India and we also know that it is more probable than not that they imparted genetic , religious and linguistic legacy forcibly upon the lesser natives throughout the subcontinent. They affected both the advanced IVC and the easterly/southerly groups in this way. However, the IVC "recovered" to an extent in terms of genetic legacy at least. Unfortunately, ancient animist beliefs have been changed irreversibly by the ANI groups into a rigid caste doctrine, evidenced by relative Aryan genetic contributions seen in different caste groups in hindustan that you decline to accept. Aryan genetic influence need not necessarily have entered north India at a single precise juncture for all the above to still be viable and true. You conveniently distort actual scientific findings which coalesce neatly with the above proposal in order to portray a false divergence between the science and the observation.

Unfortunately, your intellectual dishonesty is evident in your stubborn insistence on your own narrative. Confirmation bias at its worst.

"First of all you and your dalal krantikari patrakars should heed this in your brain if you have any that is that the research papers you are trying to misquote by memorising a bunch of 3 liners from those paras which is already based on skwed data doesnt make you genetics expert in first place.
You are a fat disgusting failure. Nothing you have ever done matters and all you bring is shame and embarrassment to those who know you. You stink like sweat, shit, and cheese.
Bathing doesn't help for longer than 30 seconds. You look like a monkey BROWN rat,
and piece of dog-shit fucked a thumb.You have never held any job besides minimum-wage retard-work in real world .YOU ARE A NON SCHOLAR EACH EVERY ONE OF YOU.
WAT AUTHORIT YOU HAVE GOT TO TEACH SHIT ABOUT GNETICS.HOW MANY RESEARCH PAPERS YOU HAVE PUBLISHED ON GENETICS LINGUISTICS AND ARCHAEOLOGY LMFAO
AND who else got his shit published in a 60 iq nation mumalik of pakistan? ZERO . YOU WILL THEREFORE CERTAINLY WONT AND CANT DICTATE SHIT BROTHER
ALSO YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE PERMISSION OF CHINESE MASTERS FIRST LOL.

HOW MANY OF YOUR SHIT GOT ADMITTED IN EVEN ANY OF THOSE HIPSTER JOURNALS LET ALONE BETTER ONES AS CELL" Your60iq pakiswho were not even deemed as janitors worthy enough to be the part of
cell research rakhigari paper 2019 or any of the genetics studies that was carried out in the past and is still being researched in the papers. THOSE RESEARCH PAPERS
YOU ARE QUOTING EVEN THE RAKHIGARI 2019 latest that was submitted to cell in that paper and all those others we have "50 PERCENT CONTRIBUTORS FROM INDIA 14-15 out of 27"
And they have decided our bois hard working geneticists historians they have decided and declared . Watch the video from Neeraj rai ji you will get moar butthurt when you listen
to FACTS from him .


Nowhere in the reichs research papers it explicitly mentions anything as blue eye blonde *** aryan race invading or shit, its only speculates that migrants from steppe might have bought sanskrit culture and vedas to subcontinent . This retardation howevar is THOROUGHLY REFUTED in European journal of Archaeolgy and ACTA ARCHAEOLOGICA that hold validity to this very hour and will continue to do so .


There is no archaeological or textual/inscriptional record of the proto-Indo-European or the Rigvedic language or cultureanywhere outside India: neither in South Russia, nor in Central Asia, nor in any of the areas on the routes leading from South Russia to Central Asia or Central Asia to the SaptaSindhava area. Pie itself is a fraud languages that was never spoken by anybody . They use same sanskrit data words 90 percent of sanskrit and other languages to construct unnatural words.

Pie is a fucking cooked up scam . Its like saying that you first make a salad out of cucumber carrot and onions and then you say that from this salad I got cucumber carrot
and oninions . LMFAO


The Rigveda does not contain even the faintest hint of any extra-territorial
memories: there is no reference to areas outside the Indian sphere, let alone any reference to such areas as being ancestral areas from where they migrated into India. On the contrary, the hymns of the Rigveda show that the composers considered themselves native to the Vedic area, to which they show great sentimental attachment.Even at that point of time, the local rivers and local animals mentioned in the Rigveda have Indo-European (Indo-Aryan) names, and definitely not Dravidian/Austric/Burushaski/etc. names, an unparalleled circumstance in any alleged invasion/migration scenario anywhere in the world.
Horse bones of the true horse, Equus caballus have been found in Bagor in Rajasthan dating back to 3500 BCE. Horse bones dating well before 1500 BCE have been found in the Indian valley civilization. True horse bones dated to 2000 BCE have been found in UP. Rigveda defines aryan as adjective not a fairy *** race dude. Even Baudhyana shraut sutra is eternally valid .



Incredibly, a mention of horses and chariots in the Rig Veda is equated with graves 4000 km away. This is simply an assumption with zero proof. It is one of the weakest links in the linguists' theories, the proverbial “elephant in the room” that basically weakens the current migration larp .

A complete war chariot from 2000 BCE has been found in Sanauli near Delhi. The world’s earliest painted images of chariots have been found in central Indian cave art dated back to the late microlithic and early Chalcolithic period (2500–1500 BCE). The 1500 BCE Daimabad bronze chariot was found in Maharashtra 2000 km south of the Khyber pass from a time when India was supposed to have no chariots or wheels.

On the top of that , Archaeo-astronomical references in ancient Indian texts. Herman Jacobi (1850–1937) was both a Sanskrit scholar and an astronomer, a unique combination of skills that allowed him to notice, in the Rig Veda, what linguists with no understanding of astronomy, or astronomers with little
knowledge of the Vedas could never notice. Jacobi’s serendipitous discovery was a passage in the Rig Veda V.18–19 that described a full moon on the day of the winter solstice in the month of Phalguna. Jacobi correctly dated the event back to a time in the third millennium BCE or earlier.
It turns out that another Indian scholar had actually discovered similar references in ancient texts even before Jacobi. In 1893, Bal Gangadhar Tilak had noted a reference in the Rig Veda of the occurrence of the vernal equinox in the constellation Orion, dating the event back to 4,000 BCE.
More recently, people like Nilesh Nilakanth Oak have taken this work to new heights by examining every single archaeoastronomical reference in old texts to test for validity against modern astronomical knowledge. Oak is now showing dates that are astonishingly remote, and while the dates may be a topic of some disagreement,they are all older than the rigid 1500–1000 BCE dates demanded by linguists to support their theory via a faked larp.





The irrefutable evidence is vedas itself corroborated by the findings of archeological sites .Archaeological survey of India and those all of contributors from govt of INDIA has concluded no aryan invasion.

On the top of that our 50 % hindu geneticists , historians , computer scientists , biologists , you have to understand our 15 hindu authors or 14 authors who were part of this research who did this
hard *** work being TRUE MASTERS OF THAR RESPECTIVE FIELD HAVE CONCLUDED . AND ONLY THEY HAVE THE RIGHTEOUS AUTHORITY TO DECIDE BECAUSE THEY DID THE DAMN JOB ALL OF THEM .
SINCE THEY ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE YOU UNDERSTAND ME ??? THEY ARE THE
SINGLE LARGEST ETHNIC GROUP IN THIS RESEARCHES AND RAKHIGARI 2019 RESEARCH , THEY HAVE ALL THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT ON TRUTH WHICH WAS DECLARED BY THE NEERAJ RAI JI THE GUY WHO DID
ALL GENETICS WORK RESEARCH SAMPLE COLLECTION OF GENES ETC . LISTEN TO HIM AS HE DECLARES THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH . NEERAJ RAI JI HIMSELF REVEAL THAT THEY GOT NO PROBLEM EUROPEANS GOT NO PROBLEM THEY AGREED . ONLY PROBLEM IS RETARDATION OF NON SCHOLARS. MOAR RESEARCH IS UNDERWAY AND MOAR PAPERS WILL COME OUT SOON AND THEY WILL JUST ADD TO THE PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT

Watch our contributor to cell paper 2019 declaring


>PEACFUL INTERACTION HAPPEND BOTH WAYS IN AND OUT
>INDIA IS 2ND MOST GENETICALLY DIVERSED THAN AFRICA ITS A GOLD MINE FOR ANY GENETICIST
>IRREFUTABLE ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF CONTINUITY OF 10000 YEARS OLD CIVILIZATION . BHIRRANA ITSELF BEING OVER 8500 YEARS OLD .
>SANSKRIT IS INDEGNIOUS TO INDIA
>HINDUISM IS INDEGINOUS TO INDIA
>ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES INFACT SHOW ZERO SIGN OF ANY INVASION
>NO EVIDENCE OF ANY HUGE CULTURAL SHIFT
>ARYAN RACE DOESNT EXIST . ITS ADJECTIVE MEANING NOBILITY .
>MOAR EVIDENCE UNDERWAY ADDING TO THE EXISTING EVIDENCE HUNDREDS OF SITES DISCOVERED GENES SAMPLES BEING TAKEN AND STUDIED
>THE RAKHIGARI RESEARCH PAPER 2019 IS NOT THE END . MOAR PAPERS WILL FOLLOW WITH MORE IRRUTABLE EVIDENCE OF CONTINUITY OF 10000 YEARS OLD CIVILIZATION


Immediately after cell paper infact when they saw the shit being propogated by bhadwa krantikari patrakars they called our HINDU CONTRIBUTORS HERE IN INDIA CALLED FOR JAIPUR DIALOUGES . They declared 2 crore rupees prize to all these bhadwa patrakars who were peddling lies . NONE OF THEM SHOWED UP LOL . Tatti gaaand sab chok unka.

That being said ,


Bhadwa krantikaari patrkars or pakis or cumskin cucks of 4 chan or other dirtbags whos self proclaimed phd holders in genetics larpers will certainly not decide they
have no authority over OUR GENETICISTS HISTORIANS BIOLOGISTS HARD WORK INVOVLED IN THIS RESEARCH. NONE OF YOU HERE OR ANYWHERE GOT EQUIVALENT QUALIFICATIONS TO CHALLANGE
OUR GOD TIER CHOSEN PEOPLE WHO ARE REAL WORLD COMMITTED GENETICISTS HISTORIANS BIOLOGISTS unlike larpers over online notepads like this .


Regards...

 

[rngsama]

Sanghis once again peddling their WhatsApp forwards

I have personally met . Neeraj rai ji . Hes Group Head, Ancient DNA Lab, Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Govt. of India.
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(19)30967-5# rakhigari 2019 is his paper along with 14 other Hindu contributors . They are largest majority chosen ones and sole authority over TRUTH as it is thar hard work they are the ones who do all the genetic research . Hes explained me all the motharfucking shit during JAIPUR DIALOGUES 2019 which were called shortly after dna and warned about 60 iq vermin non scholars larping as dickheaded phd holders in genetics and bio . They are usually found in online notepads and forums and journalism portals.

 

[xeuss]

I have personally met . Neeraj rai ji . Hes Group Head, Ancient DNA Lab, Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, Govt. of India.
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(19)30967-5# rakhigari 2019 is his paper along with 14 other Hindu contributors . They are largest majority chosen ones and sole authority over TRUTH as it is thar hard work they are the ones who do all the genetic research . Hes explained me all the motharfucking shit during JAIPUR DIALOGUES 2019 which were called shortly after dna and warned about 60 iq vermin non scholars larping as dickheaded phd holders in genetics and bio . They are usually found in online notepads and forums and journalism portals.

Niraj Rai never made the conclusions that you attribute to him. In fact, his conclusions are vastly different from what you claim.

 

[rngsama]

Niraj Rai never made the conclusions that you attribute to him. In fact, his conclusions are vastly different from what you claim.

still in denial buddy wew lad

 

[masterchief_mirza]

in spite of the fact that ANI were related to Western Eurasians (Europeans) in remote antiquity

Ths is YOUR inference, not Reich's. It is grounded in debatable evidence. If you choose to believe that ANI is unrelated to a recent admixture around 5k years ago, that's the choice you're making on the basis of some evidence, while neglecting other contradictory evidence. Your choice. Your agenda. I'm not repeating the same volumes already quoted in this thread. Suffice to say, your out of India theory hinges on the absence of evidence that places genetic admixing at this point in history. Good luck with that!

LOL you dumb prick I even showed you the link . I am posting it last time if you still want to be delusional cant help it . Also check the comment section thats still full of nightmare fuel for you .

Can't help you if you can't understand English. "Related to" doesn't equate to "interchangeable". You're creating a narrative out of thin air.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

PEACFUL INTERACTION HAPPEND BOTH WAYS IN AND OUT
>INDIA IS 2ND MOST GENETICALLY DIVERSED THAN AFRICA ITS A GOLD MINE FOR ANY GENETICIST
>IRREFUTABLE ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF CONTINUITY OF 10000 YEARS OLD CIVILIZATION . BHIRRANA ITSELF BEING OVER 8500 YEARS OLD .
>SANSKRIT IS INDEGNIOUS TO INDIA
>HINDUISM IS INDEGINOUS TO INDIA
>ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES INFACT SHOW ZERO SIGN OF ANY INVASION
>NO EVIDENCE OF ANY HUGE CULTURAL SHIFT
>ARYAN RACE DOESNT EXIST . ITS ADJECTIVE MEANING NOBILITY .
>MOAR EVIDENCE UNDERWAY ADDING TO THE EXISTING EVIDENCE HUNDREDS OF SITES DISCOVERED GENES SAMPLES BEING TAKEN AND STUDIED
>THE RAKHIGARI RESEARCH PAPER 2019 IS NOT THE END . MOAR PAPERS WILL FOLLOW WITH MORE IRRUTABLE EVIDE

Whadda load of gobshite from the gobshitter in chief. I don't care who said this. Doesn't make it right.

You keep posting this video and your out of India b.s. like it means something. Yes please continue.

By the way, who do you think you are claiming IVC? Just because it's "Hindu" it belongs to the Secular Republic of India???

You're a trip buddy. Pakistan claims IVC, along with basmati rice and every artefact derived from IVC. What's it got to do with this modern construct of "India"??

Check your history. Your "ancient united hindustan" is a myth. India was united under abrahamics and finally gifted to Hindustanis by abrahamics. The India you speak of .never existed. Multiple warring city states who happened to be Hindu doesn't constitute "India". You dumb fkktard. Was Europe one country throughout the medieval and renaissance eras?? Just like xtians smashed each other's churches, so did Hindus. Several Muslims even had to stop Hindus from smashing other Hindus' temples during Mughal rule. You really are a simple minded group, you hindutvas.

Sorry to break it to you, not one pakistani will tolerate Delhi trying to lay claim to our heritage. It's laughable. You can sit in the Ganges and stew with anger that Pakistan owns your history. Lol. Truly you believers in "ancient unified Bharat" are the most butthurt of all over the existence of Pakistan.

 

[Naofumi]

There is no archaeological or textual/inscriptional record of the proto-Indo-European or the Rigvedic language or cultureanywhere outside India: neither in South Russia, nor in Central Asia, nor in any of the areas on the routes leading from South Russia to Central Asia or Central Asia to the SaptaSindhava area. Pie itself is a fraud languages that was never spoken by anybody . They use same sanskrit data words 90 percent of sanskrit and other languages to construct unnatural words.

Pie is a fucking cooked up scam . Its like saying that you first make a salad out of cucumber carrot and onions and then you say that from this salad I got cucumber carrot
and oninions . LMFAO

But your repeatedly quoted Neeraj Rai accepts the existence of PIE.

He is merely desperate it to be OIT. Unlike you, he is at least educated enough to accept the overwhelming similarities between IE speakers, their homeland being India is a contested point according to him but still a better position than outright denial.

The irrefutable evidence is vedas itself corroborated by the findings of archeological sites .Archaeological survey of India and those all of contributors from govt of INDIA has concluded no aryan invasion.

On the top of that our 50 % hindu geneticists , historians , computer scientists , biologists , you have to understand our 15 hindu authors or 14 authors who were part of this research who did this
hard *** work being TRUE MASTERS OF THAR RESPECTIVE FIELD HAVE CONCLUDED . AND ONLY THEY HAVE THE RIGHTEOUS AUTHORITY TO DECIDE BECAUSE THEY DID THE DAMN JOB ALL OF THEM .
SINCE THEY ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE YOU UNDERSTAND ME ??? THEY ARE THE
SINGLE LARGEST ETHNIC GROUP IN THIS RESEARCHES AND RAKHIGARI 2019 RESEARCH , THEY HAVE ALL THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT ON TRUTH WHICH WAS DECLARED BY THE NEERAJ RAI JI THE GUY WHO DID
ALL GENETICS WORK RESEARCH SAMPLE COLLECTION OF GENES ETC . LISTEN TO HIM AS HE DECLARES THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH . NEERAJ RAI JI HIMSELF REVEAL THAT THEY GOT NO PROBLEM EUROPEANS GOT NO PROBLEM THEY AGREED . ONLY PROBLEM IS RETARDATION OF NON SCHOLARS. MOAR RESEARCH IS UNDERWAY AND MOAR PAPERS WILL COME OUT SOON AND THEY WILL JUST ADD TO THE PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT

tf you write, Can't you even write proper spellings? And why are you fixating on only one researcher, what about other "Hindu researchers" like Vagheesh? Cherry-picking much.

 

[Nityam]

But your repeatedly quoted Neeraj Rai accepts the existence of PIE.View attachment 682454
He is merely desperate it to be OIT. Unlike you, he is at least educated enough to accept the overwhelming similarities between IE speakers, their homeland being India is a contested point according to him but still a better position than outright denial.

tf you write, Can't you even write proper spellings? And why are you fixating on only one researcher, what about other "Hindu researchers" like Vagheesh? Cherry-picking much.

You are in denial.

What is called "proto India European" is simply SANSKRIT.

Sanskrit is THE OLDEST Language where ALL the languages of this family find their root.

And SANSKRIT exist NOWHERE in the world except INDIA.

Pretty much all sanskrit texts in the world DESCRIBE THE GEOGRAPHY OF INDIA. Starting with the Rig Veda.

 

[peagle]

Whadda load of gobshite from the gobshitter in chief. I don't care who said this. Doesn't make it right.

You keep posting this video and your out of India b.s. like it means something. Yes please continue.

By the way, who do you think you are claiming IVC? Just because it's "Hindu" it belongs to the Secular Republic of India???

You're a trip buddy. Pakistan claims IVC, along with basmati rice and every artefact derived from IVC. What's it got to do with this modern construct of "India"??

Check your history. Your "ancient united hindustan" is a myth. India was united under abrahamics and finally gifted to Hindustanis by abrahamics. The India you speak of .never existed. Multiple warring city states who happened to be Hindu doesn't constitute "India". You dumb fkktard. Was Europe one country throughout the medieval and renaissance eras?? Just like xtians smashed each other's churches, so did Hindus. Several Muslims even had to stop Hindus from smashing other Hindus' temples during Mughal rule. You really are a simple minded group, you hindutvas.

Sorry to break it to you, not one pakistani will tolerate Delhi trying to lay claim to our heritage. It's laughable. You can sit in the Ganges and stew with anger that Pakistan owns your history. Lol. Truly you believers in "ancient unified Bharat" are the most butthurt of all over the existence of Pakistan.

Made me proud, my brother.

 

[rngsama]

But your repeatedly quoted Neeraj Rai accepts the existence of PIE.

Did you even watch the video. NIRAJ JI Himself reveal in videos that how He used to support migration larp in the past but as he continued his research work in genetics and archeology, he realized and acknowledged and corrected himseld just like all Hindu researchers of cell paper 2019 and other related genetic studies . Niraj ji also mentions that most of european researchers also have corrected themselves when they saw the irrefutable archaeological evidence and of course Rig Veda is an irrefutable evidence in its own might which rekts migration larp.

Watch the damn videos and Niraj Ji mentioned about this too. Also of course pie will share similarity with Sanskrit because pie uses >=90% of Sanskrit words and terms for reconstruction lmao.