India wants to sell defence equipment to Bangladesh

[UKBengali]

This is a premium the current BD establishment has to pay to the Indians regardless BD needs those equipments or not. Why premium ? Indian intervention forces stationed in Meghalaya sector acts as a deterrent to potential military coups in BD in order to protect the current regime.
All BD military high ups are well aware of this fact. BD is yet to have it's own formidable intervention force which can protect the current regime from a hostile military take over. Even BD establishment does not trust the 46th Independent infantry brigade which is supposed to defend Dhaka. Ironically, some units of this brigade took part in the assassination of Sheiikh Mujib. This brigade traditionally falls under the direct command of the BD Army chief.

Please can you provide evidence for your claims?
AL has been in power for 11 years and still the "premium" has not been extracted yet?
I am not saying you cannot be right but your claims seem to be nothing more than typical conspiracy theories.

 

[VikingRaider]

Indian intervention forces stationed in Meghalaya sector acts as a deterrent to potential military coups in BD in order to protect the current regime.
All BD military high ups are well aware of this fact. BD is yet to have it's own formidable intervention force which can protect the current regime from a hostile military take over.

So you suggest that they are acting as mercenaries?

BTW how long Bangladesh armed forces can have a formidable intervention force in order to protect any regime they like?

Ps: I can't send you message to your inbox ( as you said) , I don't have access to this feature.

 

[Avicenna]

I have been telling this from day one.... We are strategic allies and we will need to maintain commonality in platforms.... But nobody was listening.....

Banglades is lucky to have strategic ally like India (thanks to Hasina).... This is like our mini NATO military alliance.... Bangladesh will have access to state of an art weapons of India.... Brahmos, Nirbhay Cruise missiles, NAGA ATGM, Akash air defense system, ASTRA air to air BVR missiles, Pinaka rocket system and what not??? Once this strategic alliance is matured further who knows you may be even allowed to keep Arihant class nuclear submarine on lease..... Imagine BN patrolling BOB with Arihant and K series missiles on it..... BD is lucky to have its hand on such all above sensitive technology.....

You give this guy a run for his money with your comedy.

Your last post..........just wow!

 

[Old School]

So you suggest that they are acting as mercenaries?

BTW how long Bangladesh can have a formidable intervention force in order to protect any regime they like?

Ps: I can't send you message to your inbox ( as you suggested) , I don't have access to this feature.

Not really mercenaries but mutual benefits. It allows Indians to suppress NE rebels and many more businesses and strategic advantages. Previous two governments in Pakistan also allowed India with free reign in BD by disengaging all resources. Specifically, Nawaz did the most damage.
A true intervention force for BD to raise is very difficult. Even JRB could not save Mujib in 1975. But you must first learn what role an intervention force plays during a military take over situation.

 

[VikingRaider]

Not really mercenaries but mutual benefits. It allows Indians to suppress NE rebels and many more businesses and strategic advantages. Previous two governments in Pakistan also provided India with free reign in BD by disengaging all resources. Specifically, Nawaz did the most damage.
A true intervention force for BD to raise is very difficult. Even JRB could not save Mujib in 1975. But you must first learn what role an intervention force plays in during a military take over situation.

Okay one important question, please make it clear, I really didn't get it. Do you suggest that it's not Bangladesh army who is protecting the current govt? But Bangladesh army is actually helpless against the indian force of Meghalaya, and if they ( Indian force) were not there then armed forces will kick out current govt?

Or is it an agreement between Bangladesh armed forces and Indian armed forces to prevent any military takeover by another group of BD armed forces ( as used to happen at past days)?

But you must first learn what role an intervention force plays in during a military take over situation.

How do I learn it? Please provide some clue!

 

[The Ronin]

Then eff off. DO NOT ACCEPT CREDIT. your govt quite happily accepts all this and then morons have chutzpah to pretend its being forced onto them . DO NOT ACCEPT and stop whinning like 3 year olds.

No country is pushing down your throat. You said you dont want it . FINE . Let it go . DONT USE IT . Its there but its you who is going on and on and on and on endlessly whinning about things being pushed down you throat. Obviously you are suffering from some trauma about someone forcing things down your throat. You should seek help

@Turingsage what will you say now? Does it look like no one is forcing it onto us? Who is really whining here and who should really seek help?

 

[Old School]

Okay one important question, please make it clear, I really didn't get it. Do you suggest that it's not Bangladesh army who is protecting the current govt? But Bangladesh army is actually helpless against the indian force of Meghalaya, and if they ( Indian force) were not there then armed forces will kick out current govt?

Or is it an agreement between Bangladesh armed forces and Indian armed forces to prevent any military takeover by another group of BD armed forces ( as used to happen at past days)?

Okay one important question, please make it clear, I really didn't get it. Do you suggest that it's not Bangladesh army who is protecting the current govt? But Bangladesh army is actually helpless against the indian force of Meghalaya, and if they ( Indian force) were not there then armed forces will kick out current govt?

Or is it an agreement between Bangladesh armed forces and Indian armed forces to prevent any military takeover by another group of BD armed forces ( as used to happen at past days)?


How do I learn it? Please provide some clue!

You must also know the foundational history of BD army very well. There is no book for that.

 

[Tom-tom]

I have been telling this from day one.... We are strategic allies and we will need to maintain commonality in platforms.... But nobody was listening.....

Banglades is lucky to have strategic ally like India (thanks to Hasina).... This is like our mini NATO military alliance.... Bangladesh will have access to state of an art weapons of India.... Brahmos, Nirbhay Cruise missiles, NAGA ATGM, Akash air defense system, ASTRA air to air BVR missiles, Pinaka rocket system and what not??? Once this strategic alliance is matured further who knows you may be even allowed to keep Arihant class nuclear submarine on lease..... Imagine BN patrolling BOB with Arihant and K series missiles on it..... BD is lucky to have its hand on such all above sensitive technology.....

So called ally that's supports mm and gives them a sub. If bd gets a sub you shit your pants and start moaning.

 

[VikingRaider]

This is it. You must also add the business group FBCCI which makes significant financial contributions in this arrangement. They are making more money than ever by looting the share market and the banks. This agreement was inked during general Modern's tenure in February 2008. It was put to test twice between 2008-2009. Both cases were successful except the last one was bloody.

Well so atleast situation is under control of Bangladesh armed forces aka DGFI. Anyway whatever the case is, Bangladesh is doing well, we common folks are getting electricity and other necessary thing that was destroyed from 2001 - 2006 BNP jamat regime. And also armed force is on their way to fulfill their forces goal 2030. And also our armed forces have good relationship with Pakistan armed forces right? And we have great tie to China and turkey and other Muslim countries now. So it is positive for the interest of Bangladesh isn't it?

So when Bangladesh armed forces will be stronger will Bangladesh govt be able to tackle the FBCCI from this role? I hope they will! What's your opinion bro?

Ps: trust me brother, from 2004 to 2006 this 3 years most of places of Bangladesh suffered from heavy load shedding, and it was as high as 16/18 hours every day ( 1 hour electricity and then 2/3 hours loadshedding ( most of areas in Bangladesh) in summer made life literally hell in cruel summer. People were even unable to use IPS because the amount of electricity wasn't sufficient to charge it properly). And BNP jamat govt did nothing to solve it other than addressing it as propaganda of AL(?!), Where common folks were suffering too much!
That's the reason many people like me is extremely hateful towards BNP leadership.

You must also know the foundational history of BD army very well. There is no book for that.

Then how to know this? Give me some link please.

Ps: you edited your previous message that is in my QUOTE!

 

[Old School]

Then how to know this? Give me some link please.

There is no web link or books. You have to talk to very senior officials. It is up to them if they want to talk to you. You have to be equal ( if not higher) to them before they will talk to you on these issues. I myself hate to discuss military affairs with clerks and students/teachers.
FBCCI is what ? Do you have any idea ? They can buy anyone in Bangladesh. Politicians are their servants.

 

[VikingRaider]

FBCCI is what ? Do you have any idea ? They can buy anyone in Bangladesh.

Federation of Bangladesh Chambers of Commerce & Industries.

However any straight suggestions please? Is Bangladesh is in right direction or not? Is Bangladesh army protecting Bangladesh or not from Indian conspiracy, a solid answer will be much more helpful! I have sky high faith on Bangladesh armed forces and also believe that they are backing govt and doing good for Bangladesh from behind. And because of their ( army) preservation Bangladesh is totally safe from any foreign threat, and they are not sold out.

Am I wrong? Requesting your straight opinion please. Thanks and regards.
@Old School

Politicians are their servants.

Yes politicians can be their servant I believe that, because Bangladeshi politicians are bastards. No disagreement here!

We love our armed forces and hate our politicians!

There is no web link or books. You have to talk to very senior officials. It is up to them if they want to talk to you. You have to be equal ( if not higher) to them before they will talk to you on these issues.I myself hate to discuss military affairs with clerks and students/teachers.

Oh I see. It's alright. Now I finally understood your position. Thank you.

 

[Old School]

Federation of Bangladesh Chambers of Commerce & Industries.

However any straight suggestions please? Is Bangladesh is in right direction or not? Is Bangladesh army protecting Bangladesh or not from Indian conspiracy, a solid answer will be much more helpful! I have sky high faith on Bangladesh armed forces and also believe that they are backing govt and doing good for Bangladesh from behind. And because of their ( army) preservation Bangladesh is totally safe from any foreign threat, and they are not sold out.

Am I wrong? Requesting your straight opinion. Thanks and regards.

The biggest business enterprise in Bangladesh is called Bangladesh Army by real numbers. I am afraid that they can not sustain this one party rule for long. If you have come to power on the top of a tank, only a tank can topple you. The most favorite subject in BD army for higher studies is not military science. Guess what ? MBA/business studies. BD is yet to acquire real night fighting capabilities despite huge night fighting gadget aquisitions. They still have to wait for the dawn to launch a raid. These things do not go unnoticed by careful eyes.

BD army is following the Egyptian model. The most likely outcome for the future is of course dictatorship one way or another. That is indeed ticking time bomb and very dangerous. Pakistan unfortunately, have taken the same direction. This is called military-corporatocracy. I am not sure how this is going to end. Very unpredictable. There will be few coup attempts in BD which has a history of 36+ plus recorded coups in her brief existance. India won't be able to succeed to suppress all of them. One failure will take place and that will suffice.

 

[VikingRaider]

The biggest business enterprise in Bangladesh is called Bangladesh Army by real numbers. I am afraid that they can not sustain this one party rule for long. If you have come to power on the top of a tank, only a tank can topple you. The most favorite subject in BD army for higher studies is not milirary science. Guess what ? MBA/business studies. BD is yet to acquire real night fighting capabilities despite huge night fighting gadget aquisitions. They still have to wait for the dawn launch a raid. These things do not go unnoticed by careful eyes.

BD army is following the Egyptian model. The most likely outcome for the future is of course dictatorship one way or another. That is indeed tickng time bomb and very dangerous. Pakistan unfortunately, have taken the same direction. Thus called military-corporatocracy. I am not sure how this is going to end. Very unpredictable. There will be few coup attempts BD which has a history of 36+ plus recorded coups in her brief existance. India won't be able to succeed to suppress all of them. One failure will take place and that will suffice.

Well thank you for your detail message. Well I also heard this from a reliable source and that is Egyptian army, Bangladesh army and Pakistan army are following the same path and that's why deep state is predominant in these countries. And. That's why I feel secured that atleast Bangladesh will not be like Somalia and Afghanistan and will not go under Indian influence other than politically.

Well if they really are business enterprise, still I am okay with it now. Atleast situation is not like past days where we are burning in hell without electricity and Khaleda Zia and Tareq Zia is fiddling!

The reality is always the world was under authoritarian command other than the fake eye washing democracy after second world War. There were benevolent authoritarian regime alongside malevolent authoritarian regime, doesn't matter how they are controlling ; directly or indirectly hidding under cover, that really doesn't matter in the standard of poor countries.

All I need that atleast minimal needs of people are fulfilling. Like food, cloth, shelter, medicine education and electricity now a days.

Specially medical services significantly improved in Bangladesh in this govt regime. From 2001 - 2006 it was terrible. Believe it or not even that time there was records of surgery without anesthesia sometimes for some poor who can't afford it,because the govt sanctions were looted by BNP grassroot leaders.

From where I heard the pathetic story the source is extremely reliable for me. I challenged him that why they are doing so? They replied if there are no anesthesia, should we let the patient die without surgery? That time I was a student and young.

So these days have gone, I am happy. I am happy that at least human and street dog is no longer sleep in same floor of patient in govt hospitals. 1991 - 1996 BNP regime was good, but 2001 - 2006 was actually like hell.

Situation is much better now. So if now anyone from my country come and lebel me as AL brat, I wont complain. As I know what I am! (I prefer the leadership of Hasina though no doubt,but never an AL supporter). And I won't complain because I saw people are suffering in various cases.

Even I myself suffered much because of electricity!

Maybe you are irritated because I am constantly dragging political parties, but I believe common people like me ( who are not party goons) really don't want these days ( of 2001-2006) ever return again!

As a common citizen,I just can hope for a better Bangladesh not hell like those past days. I wish inshallah those days won't return again ( doesn't matter which political party will be in power I don't care just don't want those horrible days returned ever again).

Anyway thanks a lot bro for the informative conversation. Regards.

@Old School

BD is yet to acquire real night fighting capabilities despite huge night fighting gadget aquisitions.

Just one more question, what about Indian army? Do they have night fighting capabilities?

 

[Old School]

Well thank you for your detail message. Well I also heard this from a reliable source and that is Egyptian army, Bangladesh army and Pakistan army are following the same path and that's why deep state is predominant in these countries. And. That's why I feel secured that atleast Bangladesh will not be like Somalia and Afghanistan and will not go under Indian influence other than politically.

Well if they really are business enterprise, still I am okay with it now. Atleast situation is not like past days where we are burning in hell without electricity and Khaleda Zia and Tareq Zia is fiddling!

The reality is always the world was under authoritarian command other than the fake eye washing democracy after second world War. There were benevolent authoritarian regime alongside malevolent authoritarian regime, doesn't matter how they are controlling ; directly or indirectly hidding under cover, that really doesn't matter in the standard of poor countries.

All I need that atleast minimal needs of people are fulfilling. Like food, cloth, shelter, medicine education and electricity now a days.

Specially medical services significantly improved in Bangladesh in this govt regime. From 2001 - 2006 it was terrible. Believe it or not even that time there was records of surgery without anesthesia sometimes for some poor who can't afford it,because the govt sanctions were looted by BNP grassroot leaders.

From where I heard the pathetic story the source is extremely reliable for me. I challenged him that why they are doing so? They replied if there are no anesthesia, should we let the patient die without surgery? That time I was a student and young.

So these days have gone, I am happy. I am happy that at least human and street dog is no longer sleep in same floor of patient in govt hospitals. 1991 - 1996 BNP regime was good, but 2001 - 2006 was actually like hell.

Situation is much better now. So if now anyone from my country come and lebel me as AL brat, I wont complain. As I know what I am! (I prefer the leadership of Hasina though no doubt,but never an AL supporter). And I won't complain because I saw people are suffering in various cases.

Even I myself suffered much because of electricity!

Maybe you are irritated because I am constantly dragging political parties, but I believe common people like me ( who are not party goons) really don't want these days ( of 2001-2006) ever return again!

As a common citizen,I just can hope for a better Bangladesh not hell like those past days. I wish inshallah those days won't return again ( doesn't matter which political party will be in power I don't care just don't want those horrible days returned ever again).

Anyway thanks a lot bro for the informative conversation. Regards.

@Old School

Unfortunately, you have selectively read my reply and overlooked more crucial elements. This was expected though.

 

[VikingRaider]

Unfortunately, you have selectively read my reply and overlooked more crucial elements. This was expected though.

Actually brother, I don't think I have the ability to dig that deeper. I maybe do some analysis better than many other civilians. But in the end I have no real practical ability to dig in such deep military and it's intelligence stuffs. So I am just an amateur ( far from the professionalism) who is just too much interested in those stuffs. So I read your full message but don't consider myself nearly such capable to dig deeper! Thanks for your understanding.