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India vehemently ratifies the two nation theory after 8 decades of denial.

Muslims wary of Hindu nationalist Narendra Modi’s victory | The National

NEW DELHI // Muslims in India were conflicted about the next five years after election results overwhelmingly endorsed a Hindu nationalist for prime minister.

India is home to roughly 180 million Muslims, nearly as many as in Pakistan. With a decisive victory for Narendra Modi and the Bharatiya Janata Party, there are fears that Mr Modi’s past will haunt the Muslim community.

Mr Modi had just become the chief minister of Gujarat when anti-Muslim riots broke out in the state in 2002. More than 1,000 Muslims died, and Mr Modi was accused by human-rights activists of failing to stop, or even abetting, the rioters.

While he was cleared of any wrongdoing in an investigation ordered by the supreme court, the stigma remains. Mamata Banerjee, leader of the West Bengal-based Trinamool Congress party, dubbed him the “butcher of Gujarat” last month.

Mr Modi used the campaign to temper his image, but for Fahad Shah, a student from Kashmir at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London, the prime minister’s past is “worrisome”.

Mr Modi may not engage in anti-Muslim activities as prime minister, Mr Shah said, “but the Hindu right wing on the ground will get a boost because of him”.

The Hindu right “sees Muslims as a threat to their idea of India, which is a Hindu India”, Mr Shah said. “So Muslims, as a minority, will not feel secure. They’ll feel threatened.”

Muslim leaders have spoken out against Mr Modi as well. Asaduddin Owaisi, president of the All India Majlis-e-Ittehad-ul Muslimeen, last month compared Mr Modi to Adolf Hitler.

However, Mr Modi and the BJP did relatively well in Muslim-dominated areas. In the state of Jammu and Kashmir, for example, the BJP got 32.4 per cent of the vote – the most of any party.

One reason, said Sohail Ahmed, a postgraduate engineering student in Mumbai, might be that “the Muslims feel let down even by the Congress”.

“The Congress claims to fight for minorities, but in its way it is as hypocritical and manipulative about this as any other party,” Mr Ahmed said. “And there’s also a recognition that if Modi really improves the economy, as he promises to, then we benefit as well.”

Syed Khalid, a Muslim leader in West Bengal, said Mr Modi had changed over the years and become more responsible.

“This is not a vote on communal lines. This is a vote for development and for jobs. We respect the people’s verdict and we think Modi will have to be a responsible leader,” he said.

On the other side of the country in Ahmedabad, Gujarat’s largest city, the Muslim businessman Salim Quadri agreed.

“We have seen Narendra Modi as the chief minister of Gujarat since 2001. I don’t think there is any need for any fear or apprehensions with Modi as prime minister,” he said.

“The only thing that worries Muslims is that they are already marginalised and Modi now should take steps to bring the community into the national mainstream.”

Yet in Juhapura, a Muslim township of about 400,000 in Ahmedabad, there was no sign of the celebrations over Mr Modi’s victory that broke out elsewhere in the state.

Television sets showing live coverage of the results flickered in homes across the community, but most people went about their business in the sprawling district that many Hindus derisively call “Little Pakistan”.

Asif Pathan, a Muslim social activist in Ahmedabad, said the people of India had warmed to Mr Modi’s promises of growth and development. Muslims hope he will stick to that, and not stray into divisive policies.

“He has said he wants to take everyone along. We would like to see that, but frankly we are not very confident,” he said.

ssubramanian@thenational.ae

* With additional reporting by Reuters

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I thought treaties are ratified. Theories are proven or disproven.
Didn't the two nation theory got thrown in the dustbin of history in 1971?
 
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Indians have only done this so that Pakistanis after so many decades can stop being insecure about the TNT and get over their identity crisis.

You are welcome brothers! We are risking genocides, breakup, destruction and world ridicule ONLY FOR YOUR MENTAL HEALING!!!

It was THAT important.
 
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We chose a person who told us about development not religion.
 
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If Muslims of India, rather I should say Sunni Muslims of India (since 90% of the Shias voted for the BJP), are feeling left out today, its they themselves who are to be blamed for it.

A mere 15% of the population can't hold the rest 85% of the nation hostage, and expect us to vote in corrupt, incompetent parties, just because the Sunni Muslims perceive these parties to be "secular". This pseudo secularism of parties like Congress, the left, SP and BSP doesn't feed your family, it doesn't give you jobs, it doesn't provide security to your loved ones, it doesn't improve the situation of the country, so what should the 85% do? Keep voting for the corrupt parties just to make sure that the Sunnis feel secure? I don't think so.

So come out of your cocoon, Indian Sunni Muslims, give BJP a chance, and stake your claim in the party and its representation. I don't even want to hear the bs that its the hawkish Modi who the Sunnis have issue with and not the BJP, because even a dove like MR Vajpayee just got 6% of Muslim votes (majority of it again coming from the Shias of the Awadh region).

As Shekhar Gupta said on NDTV yesterday, Muslims voting a bloc is seen as consolidation of votes, but Hindus voting as a bloc is called polarization. If this is the kind of secularism, that the Indian Sunnis expects us to follow then to hell with it. Change your ways, stop acting like a vote bank, stop voting as a bloc and political parties will stop treating you as one.

You said it.

The most rabidly communal people are considered "secular" in our pseudo secular discourse!

Ajab teri maya, ajab tera khel
Chhachhundar ke sar me, chameli ka tel
 
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If religion defines nationhood, why are there 50+ muslim countries in the world, stretching from Morocco to Pakistan?
 
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In Muhammad Ali Jinnah's All India Muslim League presidential address delivered in Lahore, on March 22, 1940, he explained:


“ It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions ......... "


In India , Do Muslims and Hindus intermarry freely ?? Do they prefer to interdine together ?? Do they follow same customs , philosophies , literature etc. ?? And if they don`t , they are not one nation ... and this is what Two Nation Theory stands for .....

Two Nation Theory will fail only when The Hindus and Muslims of India evolve a common nationality , .. and this isn`t going to happen .. ever !!

Jinnah`s interpretation of TNT argued for sovereign autonomy, including the right to secede, for Muslim-majority areas of the Indian subcontinent, but without any transfer of populations (i.e. Hindus and Muslims would continue to live together) , So the assertion that TNT failed when a lot of Muslims decided to stay in India , is baseless ......

On March 22 1940 Jinnah said

1. “ It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions ......... "

On 11 August 1947, Jinnah said exactly opposite of his March 22 1940 speech.

2. “You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.”


Choose First Speech: Pakistan was meant to be a nation exclusive for Muslims, where they won't have to live with Hindus.
Choose Second Speech: Pakistan was meant to be a secular state where Hindu and Muslims will live together.

With this conflicting speeches, entire Pakistan still confused after 7 decades. :laugh::laugh:
 
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Today after 8 decades of self inflicted denial the Hindu majority of India have finally ratified the two nation theory for themselves, by themselves on the democratic ballot box without compulsion or coercion. A resounding victory for the Hindu nationalist leader Narendra Modi indeed is a new chapter in South Asian history. For his Hindu nation he represents a strong leader, for Muslims of India he remains the butcher of Gujarat with blood on his hands.

With his fundamental support coming from the right wing Hindu camp of the BJP being sufficient for such a victory, the BJP did not care about the Muslim vote for the first time ever. They were simply sidelined as no effective election campaign was mounted to attract the Muslim vote. This electoral segregation will have a deep imprint and strategic implications on Indian social makeup of the future. Since the Muslim vote is not included, their participation in an overwhelmingly BJP govt will cease to exist.

For Pakistan it marks the end of an ideological battle spanning 8 decades. This is a victory we must celebrate, as our historic pretext has dawned into the day of correctness and approval. Visionaries who coined the two nation theory saw this day coming 8 decades ago. Its because of their genius, connection to our past, hard work and sacrifices that we Pakistanis today see the dawn of a day which proved us 'historically right' from this side of the border. It also therefore proves that the struggle of our ancestors for independence was both historically correct and strategically right, henceforth the long treacherous journey, that has tested the Pakistani time and again, has been worth it.

What tomorrow holds for India's Muslim is unknown, though for us we can finally rest this debate and move on with our nation building, knowing that our struggle had been righteous despite the tact of Gandhi and Nehru in order to convince our forefathers to the contrary. Those who asked us for proofs and ridiculed us, themselves have democratically ratified the robustness and righteousness of our historic narrative.

Let it be a source of humility and confidence for the Pakistani, as those who conspired to mislead our march in the past, today find themselves marching willingly and proudly along a parallel route, the same route our ancestors had created. Today we can safely write this for the historians that the future of sub continent was shaped by none other than our ancestors.

"The truth can only be delayed"

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We were always two different nations our heros are their villains their heros our villians they worship cow we eat cow and never we can't be one nation and even Bangladesh is now realizing @BDforever
 
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"The truth can only be delayed"
Aeronaut.

Fact : UP & Bihar. UP has over 36 constituencies with dominant Muslim population to change electoral fortunes. Note, I did not say all UP. Just 36. All have fallen to BJP, except 4.

Reason : For the first time Muslims in India have voted against mullah advisories. Can Pakistan even dream of this?

"Truth Alone Triumphs"

You are missing the point young man. Indian Muslims are none of our business nor does the Pakistani care much about their treatment. Its about bringing the truth to the book which the majority INDIAN population has done rather successfully.

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If religion defines nationhood, why are there 50+ muslim countries in the world, stretching from Morocco to Pakistan?

The two-nation theory (Urdu: دو-قومی نظریہ‎ — Dō-qaumī naẓariyah, Devanagari: दो-क़ौमी नज़रिया) is the ideology that the primary identity of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent is their religion, rather than their language or ethnicity, and therefore Indian Hindus and Muslims are two distinct nationalities, regardless of ethnic or other commonalities.[1][2] The two-nation theory was a founding principle of the Pakistan Movement (i.e. the ideology of Pakistan as a Muslim nation-state in South Asia), and the partition of India in 1947.

While we are happy to be rid of people with such mindset (we would have been happier if they had returned to their desert), the obvious fact that Islam has not been able to bind the Muslims of pre-partition India should be obvious to anyone who would look.

Even Bangladeshis walked out from their "Islamic brethern" with the help of "Hindu India".

People may console themselves that BD didn't join India but that was never on the cards. We won't want that in the first place. We don't want to have anything to do with either of these countries any more than we have with any other country.

We may have shared a past, our future has nothing in common with them except the accident of shared geography.

On March 22 1940 Jinnah said

1. “ It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions ......... "

On 11 August 1947, Jinnah said exactly opposite of his March 22 1940 speech.

2. “You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.”


Choose First Speech: Pakistan was meant to be a nation exclusive for Muslims, where they won't have to live with Hindus.
Choose Second Speech: Pakistan was meant to be a secular state where Hindu and Muslims will live together.

With this conflicting speeches, entire Pakistan still confused after 7 decades. :laugh::laugh:

He was a lawyer and all he was interested in was winning the case. He could and did change his argument depending on the case in hand.

What happens to client afterwards is never a priority for any professional lawyer.

The lawyer won the case and the client is paying the price.

Operation successful, patient is dead. ;)
 
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was expecting such rants from the very same member
 
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India has changed.This election showed that true fact.No more of caste ,religion etc.
We voted only for development and economic prosperity.Sadly our western neighbour still see things through religious angle
 
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